GT/AAP Appeals

[Anonymous]

Amen to that! Just so parents of the future know what you're talking about, the list is in the middle of page 75 of this thread, and Number 8 was deemed eligible with a Full Scale IQ of 129, while Number 10 was not with a Full Scale IQ of 126. Both had the same GBRS of 8.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Congratulations PP. I'm surprised an appeal was necessary with a maxed-out NNAT of 160 (even with the lowish GBRS). I think there must be something to the "urban legend" that the NNAT doesn't count as much as the CogAT. FYI, we also used Dr. Dahlgren for the evaluation and were very pleased with her professionalism, experience with the Fairfax GT system, and her ability to tease out our child's strengths and weaknesses. Many warm wishes to all the folks on this board and a big thank-you for the information that you have shared about your children.

It's funny, I have heard this comment about the NNAT scores being not reliable, but the Cogat has been shown to have too much of an achievement component to it - needs previous knowledge, language skills. I don't think any one test is perfect, but psychologists do run reliability tests on these measurements and the NNAT is quite good across ethnicities and gender.

[Anonymous]

somewhere in the thread read that a DC with FSIQ 127 with GBRS 8 was accepted so the border seems to be 127 for GBRS 8.
As #10 missed it by 1 point in FSIQ. Good luck to #10.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is #10's mom, Thanks for all the warm wishes and thoughts..
We are OK with the denial.. as our DD is not aware of any these, she is excited about the last day of the school so am I seeing her growing..

Congratulations and good luck to all the parents with the great gift of CHILD no matter in AAP or not.

Your DD has a great gift of YOU...such an awesome attitude in the face of disappointment. I know your dd will do great, with such a mom backing her!

[Anonymous]

My son was accepted on appeal. We didn't post scores before, but here they are now:

NNAT 103
CogAT: Composite 125 ( Verbal 117, Quant 132, NonV 118 )
WISC IV: GAI 143, FSIQ 132 (VCI 142, PRI 129, WMI 110, PSI 109)
GBRS: 12

Above grade level in Math and LA.

I appealed with a personal letter explaining the NNAT (DS was very sick during that time period), rec from 1st grade teacher (no longer with FCPS) and several work samples his teacher helped me pick out.

Thanks to all on this forum for discussing this process. I've noticed mostly how much the process varies between schools, but that as parents, across all schools, we are the best advocates for our children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Congratulations PP. I'm surprised an appeal was necessary with a maxed-out NNAT of 160 (even with the lowish GBRS). I think there must be something to the "urban legend" that the NNAT doesn't count as much as the CogAT. FYI, we also used Dr. Dahlgren for the evaluation and were very pleased with her professionalism, experience with the Fairfax GT system, and her ability to tease out our child's strengths and weaknesses. Many warm wishes to all the folks on this board and a big thank-you for the information that you have shared about your children.

Yeah.. Thats what I have heard too... COGAT and GBRS is given more weightage compared to the NNAT... I think the low GBRS was the reason for the rejection in the first round...

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know if there will be a orientation at the GT centers for parents who got in the appeal similar to the "open house" for those who got in the "normal" process? If someone who got in the appeal has already called the GT center, can you pls. post any information you heard here ? If you are one of the parents who went to the "open house" can you pls. share your experience. The AAP eligibility letter doesn't provide much details about the orientation. I am reposting this question since it got buried in between the updates from other parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if there will be a orientation at the GT centers for parents who got in the appeal similar to the "open house" for those who got in the "normal" process? If someone who got in the appeal has already called the GT center, can you pls. post any information you heard here ? If you are one of the parents who went to the "open house" can you pls. share your experience. The AAP eligibility letter doesn't provide much details about the orientation. I am reposting this question since it got buried in between the updates from other parents.

There is no orientation...

[Anonymous]

There is no orientation for parents whose children got in via appeal.

The orientation I attended was geared to convincing parents whose children were eligible to send their children to the center, rather than keep them at the base school. By appealing, I'm figuring that you want to send your child to the Center.

You are fine by just attending the back to school orientation on Sept. 2nd.

[Anonymous]

To those who got rejected then, was it worth putting your child through another painful decision just to satisfy your ego?

To those who weaseled your way in through the back door, thanks for adding to the overcrowding problem to the kids who played by the rules and were rightfully accepted the 1st time because of their merits.

[Anonymous]

PP: are you out of your mind.. who said that the decisions were painful..looks like your ego is hurted.. by seeing the happy parents..
did you the attitude of one of the mother whos DD was rejected.

[Anonymous]

The only reason Fairfax county has this ludicrous appeals process is because they know there are hundreds of Type A parents who would sue otherwise because their egos can't take.

There are tons of bright, motivated, successful kids outside of GT. A family doesn't need a GT "badge of honor" to flaunt at the book club. Whoever heard of a college allowing an "appeal" for an outright rejection? The sad thing is this process leads to more overcrowding for the rightfully deserving students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only reason Fairfax county has this ludicrous appeals process is because they know there are hundreds of Type A parents who would sue otherwise because their egos can't take.

There are tons of bright, motivated, successful kids outside of GT. A family doesn't need a GT "badge of honor" to flaunt at the book club. Whoever heard of a college allowing an "appeal" for an outright rejection? The sad thing is this process leads to more overcrowding for the rightfully deserving students.

Appeal is very normal process for any system. US judicial system has appeal process.
College has limited space. AAP selection in FCPS doesn't work that way. Kids don't compete for limited space.
Agreed that there are tons of bright, motivated, successful kids outside of GT. That has nothing to do with appeal process.

[Anonymous]

As the parent of a "rightfully deserving" student who got in first round, I say that 11:32 wrong on so many levels.

Class size parameters are the same no matter whether or not a person is in a regular class or AAP.

College acceptance is NOT the same as getting into an AAP program.

The scores of the children who have posted here are comparable to my childs...except for the GBRS. However, a great WISC scores posted here prove that the process of assigning a GBRS is flawed. The children who made it in on appeal are also rightfully deserving of being in the program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To those who got rejected then, was it worth putting your child through another painful decision just to satisfy your ego?

To those who weaseled your way in through the back door, thanks for adding to the overcrowding problem to the kids who played by the rules and were rightfully accepted the 1st time because of their merits.

Children don't even have to know about appealing. If accepted tell them, if not don't tell them.

Fact: Appealing is standard legitimate rules by FCPS. It's very rightful.

The rest is your opinion and my opinion is that your opinion is total garbage.