APS Closing Nottingham

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have been at N Arlington schools (elementary and middle) at peak overcrowding. Trailers for sure. But none of the other things you mention were an issue. Anyway, if it gets that bad they can put Nottingham back in action as a neighbor hood school.

You are wrong about this. Kids have to eat lunch at like ten now at our North Arlington elementary (and middle) schools. Cafeteria cannot accommodate.
And school is not overcrowded because everyone pulled their kid for private.

I don’t hate that trailers although I think it’s hilarious that we have kids in overcrowded schools and trailers rather efficiently use under-enrolled actual school buildings.

And the fact that trailers are a long term solution in Arlington. Our school has had them for probably more than 20 years; definitely more than a decade. That cracks me up as well. Idiots at APS. Cannot plan.

Because we have limited land and budget.

No actually, right now the issue is that we have a dumb plan to close a school and put kids in trailers at other schools.

For all of you who think trailers are just fine, good luck.

You say this as though trailers are a new practice and none of us have experience with them.

I do. They were in fact fine. My kids say they were fine. Calm down.

Look at all these pro APS groupies who are perfectly fine with trailers. Did APS staff find this thread?

I thought trailers were horrible…until my kids actually had classes in them. They truly are not bad at all. My kids (and their teachers) liked it because they had some independence.

Do the people complaining about trailers actually have kids in APS?

Funniest thing I realized recently on AEM. One of the biggest APE loudmouths’ kids just started in APS in the last year or so. So much of that screaming was *before* she even had kids in APS. Some people just enjoy complaining.

Yes a lot of the APEs have very young kids or kids not even in APS. A lot moved to private. They are just really loud but they don't have much actual experience with APS or public schools.

Page 73 of this thread is FILLED with anti-APE statements. How can you say that defending a post defending the predicate for their organization — opening schools — should be blocked and off topic?

Anyone who posts on here in defense of keeping Nottingham opening or questioning the APS staff is labeled “APE.” It appears to me that attackers are using it as a proxy to mean a wealthy, entitled, probably white North Arlingtonian. Again, not in APE, but planning on joining based solely on this thread.

Why is APE relevant to this thread and why are the last dozen comments about them? Do they have an opinion on Nottingham? Or is it because they are the proxy for white entitled North Arlington? Why are people so obsessed with this group? Cue 5 more pages of hysteria.

Yes, APE released a statement to Arlnow that they have concerns about the proposal and the anti-APEs lost their mind because the APEs didn’t speak out on masks but would speak out on this. Or something.

Queue a dozen questions about what their mission does and doesn’t entail and a whole lot of stereotyping nastiness about white North Arlington parents, and here we are.

Cue the queue?

People don't like APE because they are irrational and clueless. Plus, they shat on teachers and other parents for years.

Once again, APE was right about COVID. You were wrong. Your fire breathing is what is irrational here. Get over it. You were wrong.

No, given the info at the time they were not "right".

Huge swaths of this bastion of liberal wokeness wanted it open? What are you talking about? Science and history have judged your case and you were wrong.

Parents "wanting it open" doesn't mean that APS thought it was safe for teachers/kids to go back to the buildings. They were following CDC guidelines on spacing, etc. and APS had more concerns/constraints than the average school district in UMC suburbia.

The APS decisions around returning to the classroom were reasonable with the information that was known at that time. And in-line with other school systems in the US.

Ugh, the wrong ones. The ones who got it wrong. And CDC did not say close schools.

APS staff/Duran were wrong. Period. End of story.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have been at N Arlington schools (elementary and middle) at peak overcrowding. Trailers for sure. But none of the other things you mention were an issue. Anyway, if it gets that bad they can put Nottingham back in action as a neighbor hood school.

You are wrong about this. Kids have to eat lunch at like ten now at our North Arlington elementary (and middle) schools. Cafeteria cannot accommodate.
And school is not overcrowded because everyone pulled their kid for private.

I don’t hate that trailers although I think it’s hilarious that we have kids in overcrowded schools and trailers rather efficiently use under-enrolled actual school buildings.

And the fact that trailers are a long term solution in Arlington. Our school has had them for probably more than 20 years; definitely more than a decade. That cracks me up as well. Idiots at APS. Cannot plan.

Because we have limited land and budget.

No actually, right now the issue is that we have a dumb plan to close a school and put kids in trailers at other schools.

For all of you who think trailers are just fine, good luck.

You say this as though trailers are a new practice and none of us have experience with them.

I do. They were in fact fine. My kids say they were fine. Calm down.

Look at all these pro APS groupies who are perfectly fine with trailers. Did APS staff find this thread?

I thought trailers were horrible…until my kids actually had classes in them. They truly are not bad at all. My kids (and their teachers) liked it because they had some independence.

Do the people complaining about trailers actually have kids in APS?

Funniest thing I realized recently on AEM. One of the biggest APE loudmouths’ kids just started in APS in the last year or so. So much of that screaming was *before* she even had kids in APS. Some people just enjoy complaining.

Yes a lot of the APEs have very young kids or kids not even in APS. A lot moved to private. They are just really loud but they don't have much actual experience with APS or public schools.

Page 73 of this thread is FILLED with anti-APE statements. How can you say that defending a post defending the predicate for their organization — opening schools — should be blocked and off topic?

Anyone who posts on here in defense of keeping Nottingham opening or questioning the APS staff is labeled “APE.” It appears to me that attackers are using it as a proxy to mean a wealthy, entitled, probably white North Arlingtonian. Again, not in APE, but planning on joining based solely on this thread.

The point was that it sounded like the anti-trailer PP didn't even have kids in APS. Some people just like to complain.

You don’t have to have kids in APS to complain about how APS does business. They take half of the tax revenue of Arlington County and manage a whole lot of land. What they do affects a lot of people. Enrollment status is irrelevant- taxpayer status is.

So you don't have kids in APS? Do you have even have kids?

If you don't have experience with something then stop (cluelessly) complaining about it.

How does the use of trailers affect "a lot of people"?

Is that the qualification to weigh in on planning decisions? You need to have kids in the schools right now? If so, might want to tell the people on the school board.

I think any Arlington taxpayer can question whether the schools are delivering an appropriate value for the dollar. We have hundreds of millions in bonds yet kids are learning in trailers. What gives?

So you are completely clueless. Got it.

Maybe try to understand the history/environment before having such strong opinions about "value" or "planning".

Oh dear. I can see why we are in the shape we are in. Please, enlightened one, clue me in to what I did not learn living here for 20 years and observing about our “history” and our “environment”. Some kids learn in Architectural Digest award winning buildings, others learn in trailers, and it’s all ok. Good, in fact. Something we should plan for.

So what is the issue with trailers exactly? They aren't "award winning" spaces?

How much does it cost to build a new school or renovation to add space?

How should APS fund more renovations/new buildings and what land should they use?

How does APS get the County Board to prioritize school projects?

What did those bonds pay for? Did you ever actually read them before voting "yes"?

What did the school enrollment #s & projections look like over the last 20-30 years?

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, APE has commented on the process and lack of transparency, but not the Nottingham closure specifically. And can someone share any recent, direct ties between APE and NES on this issue? I have not seen them.

I also don't understand why parents of young children's opinions are being discounted in this conversation. Those kids in early elementary (at all of the affected schools - Nottingham, Tuckahoe, Discovery, Taylor) are also going to be affected by the 3-year swirl and (for the NES kids) eventual closure.

Lack of transparency? We've known about the need for swing space since the last CIP and that was two years ago. Maybe APE wasn't paying attention?

Now, they're presenting the info about turning Nottingham into swing space THREE years early. Kinda hard to claim lack of transparency here.

What schools will use the swing space? The CIP doesn’t answer.

What will APS do to retain teachers and administrators to prevent them all from abandoning Nottingham before it closes? The CIP doesn’t answer.

What students from Nottingham will go to Discovery? Which ones to Tuckahoe? Which ones from Discovery to Taylor? The CIP doesn’t answer.

Why did the costs of alternate swing spaces change amounts? The CIP doesn’t answer.

Why did the CIP change the criteria for a swing space in a central location? The CIP literally says TBD in the report.

How does the CIP address traffic issues around a Nottingham that is now swing space? The CIP literally says TBD in the report.

I don't think you understand the CIP process. Typical of APE.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have been at N Arlington schools (elementary and middle) at peak overcrowding. Trailers for sure. But none of the other things you mention were an issue. Anyway, if it gets that bad they can put Nottingham back in action as a neighbor hood school.

You are wrong about this. Kids have to eat lunch at like ten now at our North Arlington elementary (and middle) schools. Cafeteria cannot accommodate.
And school is not overcrowded because everyone pulled their kid for private.

I don’t hate that trailers although I think it’s hilarious that we have kids in overcrowded schools and trailers rather efficiently use under-enrolled actual school buildings.

And the fact that trailers are a long term solution in Arlington. Our school has had them for probably more than 20 years; definitely more than a decade. That cracks me up as well. Idiots at APS. Cannot plan.

Because we have limited land and budget.

No actually, right now the issue is that we have a dumb plan to close a school and put kids in trailers at other schools.

For all of you who think trailers are just fine, good luck.

You say this as though trailers are a new practice and none of us have experience with them.

I do. They were in fact fine. My kids say they were fine. Calm down.

Look at all these pro APS groupies who are perfectly fine with trailers. Did APS staff find this thread?

I thought trailers were horrible…until my kids actually had classes in them. They truly are not bad at all. My kids (and their teachers) liked it because they had some independence.

Do the people complaining about trailers actually have kids in APS?

Funniest thing I realized recently on AEM. One of the biggest APE loudmouths’ kids just started in APS in the last year or so. So much of that screaming was *before* she even had kids in APS. Some people just enjoy complaining.

Yes a lot of the APEs have very young kids or kids not even in APS. A lot moved to private. They are just really loud but they don't have much actual experience with APS or public schools.

Page 73 of this thread is FILLED with anti-APE statements. How can you say that defending a post defending the predicate for their organization — opening schools — should be blocked and off topic?

Anyone who posts on here in defense of keeping Nottingham opening or questioning the APS staff is labeled “APE.” It appears to me that attackers are using it as a proxy to mean a wealthy, entitled, probably white North Arlingtonian. Again, not in APE, but planning on joining based solely on this thread.

Why is APE relevant to this thread and why are the last dozen comments about them? Do they have an opinion on Nottingham? Or is it because they are the proxy for white entitled North Arlington? Why are people so obsessed with this group? Cue 5 more pages of hysteria.

Yes, APE released a statement to Arlnow that they have concerns about the proposal and the anti-APEs lost their mind because the APEs didn’t speak out on masks but would speak out on this. Or something.

Queue a dozen questions about what their mission does and doesn’t entail and a whole lot of stereotyping nastiness about white North Arlington parents, and here we are.

Cue the queue?

People don't like APE because they are irrational and clueless. Plus, they shat on teachers and other parents for years.

Once again, APE was right about COVID. You were wrong. Your fire breathing is what is irrational here. Get over it. You were wrong.

No, given the info at the time they were not "right".

Huge swaths of this bastion of liberal wokeness wanted it open? What are you talking about? Science and history have judged your case and you were wrong.

Parents "wanting it open" doesn't mean that APS thought it was safe for teachers/kids to go back to the buildings. They were following CDC guidelines on spacing, etc. and APS had more concerns/constraints than the average school district in UMC suburbia.

The APS decisions around returning to the classroom were reasonable with the information that was known at that time. And in-line with other school systems in the US.

Ugh, the wrong ones. The ones who got it wrong. And CDC did not say close schools.

APS staff/Duran were wrong. Period. End of story.

I said they were trying to follow the CDC guidelines on spacing students. It just wasn't possible in some schools. This was back when some schools were very overcrowded.

Again, it was reasonable for what we knew at the time. It was a rational approach.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have been at N Arlington schools (elementary and middle) at peak overcrowding. Trailers for sure. But none of the other things you mention were an issue. Anyway, if it gets that bad they can put Nottingham back in action as a neighbor hood school.

You are wrong about this. Kids have to eat lunch at like ten now at our North Arlington elementary (and middle) schools. Cafeteria cannot accommodate.
And school is not overcrowded because everyone pulled their kid for private.

I don’t hate that trailers although I think it’s hilarious that we have kids in overcrowded schools and trailers rather efficiently use under-enrolled actual school buildings.

And the fact that trailers are a long term solution in Arlington. Our school has had them for probably more than 20 years; definitely more than a decade. That cracks me up as well. Idiots at APS. Cannot plan.

Because we have limited land and budget.

No actually, right now the issue is that we have a dumb plan to close a school and put kids in trailers at other schools.

For all of you who think trailers are just fine, good luck.

You say this as though trailers are a new practice and none of us have experience with them.

I do. They were in fact fine. My kids say they were fine. Calm down.

Look at all these pro APS groupies who are perfectly fine with trailers. Did APS staff find this thread?

I thought trailers were horrible…until my kids actually had classes in them. They truly are not bad at all. My kids (and their teachers) liked it because they had some independence.

Do the people complaining about trailers actually have kids in APS?

Funniest thing I realized recently on AEM. One of the biggest APE loudmouths’ kids just started in APS in the last year or so. So much of that screaming was *before* she even had kids in APS. Some people just enjoy complaining.

Yes a lot of the APEs have very young kids or kids not even in APS. A lot moved to private. They are just really loud but they don't have much actual experience with APS or public schools.

Page 73 of this thread is FILLED with anti-APE statements. How can you say that defending a post defending the predicate for their organization — opening schools — should be blocked and off topic?

Anyone who posts on here in defense of keeping Nottingham opening or questioning the APS staff is labeled “APE.” It appears to me that attackers are using it as a proxy to mean a wealthy, entitled, probably white North Arlingtonian. Again, not in APE, but planning on joining based solely on this thread.

Why is APE relevant to this thread and why are the last dozen comments about them? Do they have an opinion on Nottingham? Or is it because they are the proxy for white entitled North Arlington? Why are people so obsessed with this group? Cue 5 more pages of hysteria.

Yes, APE released a statement to Arlnow that they have concerns about the proposal and the anti-APEs lost their mind because the APEs didn’t speak out on masks but would speak out on this. Or something.

Queue a dozen questions about what their mission does and doesn’t entail and a whole lot of stereotyping nastiness about white North Arlington parents, and here we are.

Cue the queue?

People don't like APE because they are irrational and clueless. Plus, they shat on teachers and other parents for years.

Once again, APE was right about COVID. You were wrong. Your fire breathing is what is irrational here. Get over it. You were wrong.

No, given the info at the time they were not "right".

Huge swaths of this bastion of liberal wokeness wanted it open? What are you talking about? Science and history have judged your case and you were wrong.

Careful, your MAGA is showing, Mr. APE

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, APE has commented on the process and lack of transparency, but not the Nottingham closure specifically. And can someone share any recent, direct ties between APE and NES on this issue? I have not seen them.

I also don't understand why parents of young children's opinions are being discounted in this conversation. Those kids in early elementary (at all of the affected schools - Nottingham, Tuckahoe, Discovery, Taylor) are also going to be affected by the 3-year swirl and (for the NES kids) eventual closure.

Lack of transparency? We've known about the need for swing space since the last CIP and that was two years ago. Maybe APE wasn't paying attention?

Now, they're presenting the info about turning Nottingham into swing space THREE years early. Kinda hard to claim lack of transparency here.

What schools will use the swing space? The CIP doesn’t answer.

What will APS do to retain teachers and administrators to prevent them all from abandoning Nottingham before it closes? The CIP doesn’t answer.

What students from Nottingham will go to Discovery? Which ones to Tuckahoe? Which ones from Discovery to Taylor? The CIP doesn’t answer.

Why did the costs of alternate swing spaces change amounts? The CIP doesn’t answer.

Why did the CIP change the criteria for a swing space in a central location? The CIP literally says TBD in the report.

How does the CIP address traffic issues around a Nottingham that is now swing space? The CIP literally says TBD in the report.

I don't think you understand the CIP process. Typical of APE.

Ugh, back to APE … and COVID.

Translation: I think you are some entitled white lady over involved with the PTA and your desire to preserve your neighborhood school for your young children is evil and wrong. Rather you should stand up for the good of the community, which my definition is close your school.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have been at N Arlington schools (elementary and middle) at peak overcrowding. Trailers for sure. But none of the other things you mention were an issue. Anyway, if it gets that bad they can put Nottingham back in action as a neighbor hood school.

You are wrong about this. Kids have to eat lunch at like ten now at our North Arlington elementary (and middle) schools. Cafeteria cannot accommodate.
And school is not overcrowded because everyone pulled their kid for private.

I don’t hate that trailers although I think it’s hilarious that we have kids in overcrowded schools and trailers rather efficiently use under-enrolled actual school buildings.

And the fact that trailers are a long term solution in Arlington. Our school has had them for probably more than 20 years; definitely more than a decade. That cracks me up as well. Idiots at APS. Cannot plan.

Because we have limited land and budget.

No actually, right now the issue is that we have a dumb plan to close a school and put kids in trailers at other schools.

For all of you who think trailers are just fine, good luck.

You say this as though trailers are a new practice and none of us have experience with them.

I do. They were in fact fine. My kids say they were fine. Calm down.

Look at all these pro APS groupies who are perfectly fine with trailers. Did APS staff find this thread?

I thought trailers were horrible…until my kids actually had classes in them. They truly are not bad at all. My kids (and their teachers) liked it because they had some independence.

Do the people complaining about trailers actually have kids in APS?

Funniest thing I realized recently on AEM. One of the biggest APE loudmouths’ kids just started in APS in the last year or so. So much of that screaming was *before* she even had kids in APS. Some people just enjoy complaining.

Yes a lot of the APEs have very young kids or kids not even in APS. A lot moved to private. They are just really loud but they don't have much actual experience with APS or public schools.

Page 73 of this thread is FILLED with anti-APE statements. How can you say that defending a post defending the predicate for their organization — opening schools — should be blocked and off topic?

Anyone who posts on here in defense of keeping Nottingham opening or questioning the APS staff is labeled “APE.” It appears to me that attackers are using it as a proxy to mean a wealthy, entitled, probably white North Arlingtonian. Again, not in APE, but planning on joining based solely on this thread.

Why is APE relevant to this thread and why are the last dozen comments about them? Do they have an opinion on Nottingham? Or is it because they are the proxy for white entitled North Arlington? Why are people so obsessed with this group? Cue 5 more pages of hysteria.

Yes, APE released a statement to Arlnow that they have concerns about the proposal and the anti-APEs lost their mind because the APEs didn’t speak out on masks but would speak out on this. Or something.

Queue a dozen questions about what their mission does and doesn’t entail and a whole lot of stereotyping nastiness about white North Arlington parents, and here we are.

Cue the queue?

People don't like APE because they are irrational and clueless. Plus, they shat on teachers and other parents for years.

Once again, APE was right about COVID. You were wrong. Your fire breathing is what is irrational here. Get over it. You were wrong.

No, given the info at the time they were not "right".

Huge swaths of this bastion of liberal wokeness wanted it open? What are you talking about? Science and history have judged your case and you were wrong.

Careful, your MAGA is showing, Mr. APE

People who wanted the schools open are not only APE they are also MAGA? Holy cow. You are delusional.

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, APE has commented on the process and lack of transparency, but not the Nottingham closure specifically. And can someone share any recent, direct ties between APE and NES on this issue? I have not seen them.

I also don't understand why parents of young children's opinions are being discounted in this conversation. Those kids in early elementary (at all of the affected schools - Nottingham, Tuckahoe, Discovery, Taylor) are also going to be affected by the 3-year swirl and (for the NES kids) eventual closure.

Lack of transparency? We've known about the need for swing space since the last CIP and that was two years ago. Maybe APE wasn't paying attention?

Now, they're presenting the info about turning Nottingham into swing space THREE years early. Kinda hard to claim lack of transparency here.

What schools will use the swing space? The CIP doesn’t answer.

What will APS do to retain teachers and administrators to prevent them all from abandoning Nottingham before it closes? The CIP doesn’t answer.

What students from Nottingham will go to Discovery? Which ones to Tuckahoe? Which ones from Discovery to Taylor? The CIP doesn’t answer.

Why did the costs of alternate swing spaces change amounts? The CIP doesn’t answer.

Why did the CIP change the criteria for a swing space in a central location? The CIP literally says TBD in the report.

How does the CIP address traffic issues around a Nottingham that is now swing space? The CIP literally says TBD in the report.

I don't think you understand the CIP process. Typical of APE.

I’m a Nottingham parent. I have no idea what APE is.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have been at N Arlington schools (elementary and middle) at peak overcrowding. Trailers for sure. But none of the other things you mention were an issue. Anyway, if it gets that bad they can put Nottingham back in action as a neighbor hood school.

You are wrong about this. Kids have to eat lunch at like ten now at our North Arlington elementary (and middle) schools. Cafeteria cannot accommodate.
And school is not overcrowded because everyone pulled their kid for private.

I don’t hate that trailers although I think it’s hilarious that we have kids in overcrowded schools and trailers rather efficiently use under-enrolled actual school buildings.

And the fact that trailers are a long term solution in Arlington. Our school has had them for probably more than 20 years; definitely more than a decade. That cracks me up as well. Idiots at APS. Cannot plan.

Because we have limited land and budget.

No actually, right now the issue is that we have a dumb plan to close a school and put kids in trailers at other schools.

For all of you who think trailers are just fine, good luck.

You say this as though trailers are a new practice and none of us have experience with them.

I do. They were in fact fine. My kids say they were fine. Calm down.

Look at all these pro APS groupies who are perfectly fine with trailers. Did APS staff find this thread?

I thought trailers were horrible…until my kids actually had classes in them. They truly are not bad at all. My kids (and their teachers) liked it because they had some independence.

Do the people complaining about trailers actually have kids in APS?

Funniest thing I realized recently on AEM. One of the biggest APE loudmouths’ kids just started in APS in the last year or so. So much of that screaming was *before* she even had kids in APS. Some people just enjoy complaining.

Yes a lot of the APEs have very young kids or kids not even in APS. A lot moved to private. They are just really loud but they don't have much actual experience with APS or public schools.

Page 73 of this thread is FILLED with anti-APE statements. How can you say that defending a post defending the predicate for their organization — opening schools — should be blocked and off topic?

Anyone who posts on here in defense of keeping Nottingham opening or questioning the APS staff is labeled “APE.” It appears to me that attackers are using it as a proxy to mean a wealthy, entitled, probably white North Arlingtonian. Again, not in APE, but planning on joining based solely on this thread.

Why is APE relevant to this thread and why are the last dozen comments about them? Do they have an opinion on Nottingham? Or is it because they are the proxy for white entitled North Arlington? Why are people so obsessed with this group? Cue 5 more pages of hysteria.

Yes, APE released a statement to Arlnow that they have concerns about the proposal and the anti-APEs lost their mind because the APEs didn’t speak out on masks but would speak out on this. Or something.

Queue a dozen questions about what their mission does and doesn’t entail and a whole lot of stereotyping nastiness about white North Arlington parents, and here we are.

Cue the queue?

People don't like APE because they are irrational and clueless. Plus, they shat on teachers and other parents for years.

Once again, APE was right about COVID. You were wrong. Your fire breathing is what is irrational here. Get over it. You were wrong.

No, given the info at the time they were not "right".

Huge swaths of this bastion of liberal wokeness wanted it open? What are you talking about? Science and history have judged your case and you were wrong.

Careful, your MAGA is showing, Mr. APE

People who wanted the schools open are not only APE they are also MAGA? Holy cow. You are delusional.

DP. The founder and current board are MAGA.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have been at N Arlington schools (elementary and middle) at peak overcrowding. Trailers for sure. But none of the other things you mention were an issue. Anyway, if it gets that bad they can put Nottingham back in action as a neighbor hood school.

You are wrong about this. Kids have to eat lunch at like ten now at our North Arlington elementary (and middle) schools. Cafeteria cannot accommodate.
And school is not overcrowded because everyone pulled their kid for private.

I don’t hate that trailers although I think it’s hilarious that we have kids in overcrowded schools and trailers rather efficiently use under-enrolled actual school buildings.

And the fact that trailers are a long term solution in Arlington. Our school has had them for probably more than 20 years; definitely more than a decade. That cracks me up as well. Idiots at APS. Cannot plan.

Because we have limited land and budget.

No actually, right now the issue is that we have a dumb plan to close a school and put kids in trailers at other schools.

For all of you who think trailers are just fine, good luck.

You say this as though trailers are a new practice and none of us have experience with them.

I do. They were in fact fine. My kids say they were fine. Calm down.

Look at all these pro APS groupies who are perfectly fine with trailers. Did APS staff find this thread?

I thought trailers were horrible…until my kids actually had classes in them. They truly are not bad at all. My kids (and their teachers) liked it because they had some independence.

Do the people complaining about trailers actually have kids in APS?

Funniest thing I realized recently on AEM. One of the biggest APE loudmouths’ kids just started in APS in the last year or so. So much of that screaming was *before* she even had kids in APS. Some people just enjoy complaining.

Yes a lot of the APEs have very young kids or kids not even in APS. A lot moved to private. They are just really loud but they don't have much actual experience with APS or public schools.

Page 73 of this thread is FILLED with anti-APE statements. How can you say that defending a post defending the predicate for their organization — opening schools — should be blocked and off topic?

Anyone who posts on here in defense of keeping Nottingham opening or questioning the APS staff is labeled “APE.” It appears to me that attackers are using it as a proxy to mean a wealthy, entitled, probably white North Arlingtonian. Again, not in APE, but planning on joining based solely on this thread.

Why is APE relevant to this thread and why are the last dozen comments about them? Do they have an opinion on Nottingham? Or is it because they are the proxy for white entitled North Arlington? Why are people so obsessed with this group? Cue 5 more pages of hysteria.

Yes, APE released a statement to Arlnow that they have concerns about the proposal and the anti-APEs lost their mind because the APEs didn’t speak out on masks but would speak out on this. Or something.

Queue a dozen questions about what their mission does and doesn’t entail and a whole lot of stereotyping nastiness about white North Arlington parents, and here we are.

Cue the queue?

People don't like APE because they are irrational and clueless. Plus, they shat on teachers and other parents for years.

Once again, APE was right about COVID. You were wrong. Your fire breathing is what is irrational here. Get over it. You were wrong.

No, given the info at the time they were not "right".

Huge swaths of this bastion of liberal wokeness wanted it open? What are you talking about? Science and history have judged your case and you were wrong.

Careful, your MAGA is showing, Mr. APE

People who wanted the schools open are not only APE they are also MAGA? Holy cow. You are delusional.

DP. The founder and current board are MAGA.

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I wanted the schools open. I wasnt in APE. I have nothing to do with APE. You insist I am APE. I have voted democratic for decades. The democrats got the covid issue wrong. I am increasingly disagreeing with APS as I see their planning as short sighted. I am also not a Nottingham parent.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have been at N Arlington schools (elementary and middle) at peak overcrowding. Trailers for sure. But none of the other things you mention were an issue. Anyway, if it gets that bad they can put Nottingham back in action as a neighbor hood school.

You are wrong about this. Kids have to eat lunch at like ten now at our North Arlington elementary (and middle) schools. Cafeteria cannot accommodate.
And school is not overcrowded because everyone pulled their kid for private.

I don’t hate that trailers although I think it’s hilarious that we have kids in overcrowded schools and trailers rather efficiently use under-enrolled actual school buildings.

And the fact that trailers are a long term solution in Arlington. Our school has had them for probably more than 20 years; definitely more than a decade. That cracks me up as well. Idiots at APS. Cannot plan.

Because we have limited land and budget.

No actually, right now the issue is that we have a dumb plan to close a school and put kids in trailers at other schools.

For all of you who think trailers are just fine, good luck.

You say this as though trailers are a new practice and none of us have experience with them.

I do. They were in fact fine. My kids say they were fine. Calm down.

Look at all these pro APS groupies who are perfectly fine with trailers. Did APS staff find this thread?

I thought trailers were horrible…until my kids actually had classes in them. They truly are not bad at all. My kids (and their teachers) liked it because they had some independence.

Do the people complaining about trailers actually have kids in APS?

Funniest thing I realized recently on AEM. One of the biggest APE loudmouths’ kids just started in APS in the last year or so. So much of that screaming was *before* she even had kids in APS. Some people just enjoy complaining.

Yes a lot of the APEs have very young kids or kids not even in APS. A lot moved to private. They are just really loud but they don't have much actual experience with APS or public schools.

Page 73 of this thread is FILLED with anti-APE statements. How can you say that defending a post defending the predicate for their organization — opening schools — should be blocked and off topic?

Anyone who posts on here in defense of keeping Nottingham opening or questioning the APS staff is labeled “APE.” It appears to me that attackers are using it as a proxy to mean a wealthy, entitled, probably white North Arlingtonian. Again, not in APE, but planning on joining based solely on this thread.

Why is APE relevant to this thread and why are the last dozen comments about them? Do they have an opinion on Nottingham? Or is it because they are the proxy for white entitled North Arlington? Why are people so obsessed with this group? Cue 5 more pages of hysteria.

Yes, APE released a statement to Arlnow that they have concerns about the proposal and the anti-APEs lost their mind because the APEs didn’t speak out on masks but would speak out on this. Or something.

Queue a dozen questions about what their mission does and doesn’t entail and a whole lot of stereotyping nastiness about white North Arlington parents, and here we are.

Cue the queue?

People don't like APE because they are irrational and clueless. Plus, they shat on teachers and other parents for years.

Once again, APE was right about COVID. You were wrong. Your fire breathing is what is irrational here. Get over it. You were wrong.

No, given the info at the time they were not "right".

Huge swaths of this bastion of liberal wokeness wanted it open? What are you talking about? Science and history have judged your case and you were wrong.

Careful, your MAGA is showing, Mr. APE

People who wanted the schools open are not only APE they are also MAGA? Holy cow. You are delusional.

DP. The founder and current board are MAGA.

.

I wanted the schools open. I wasnt in APE. I have nothing to do with APE. You insist I am APE. I have voted democratic for decades. The democrats got the covid issue wrong. I am increasingly disagreeing with APS as I see their planning as short sighted. I am also not a Nottingham parent.

I didn't call you APE.

Where do your kids go? Do you have kids?

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, APE has commented on the process and lack of transparency, but not the Nottingham closure specifically. And can someone share any recent, direct ties between APE and NES on this issue? I have not seen them.

I also don't understand why parents of young children's opinions are being discounted in this conversation. Those kids in early elementary (at all of the affected schools - Nottingham, Tuckahoe, Discovery, Taylor) are also going to be affected by the 3-year swirl and (for the NES kids) eventual closure.

Lack of transparency? We've known about the need for swing space since the last CIP and that was two years ago. Maybe APE wasn't paying attention?

Now, they're presenting the info about turning Nottingham into swing space THREE years early. Kinda hard to claim lack of transparency here.

To be fair, in 2018 APS said that they needed “up to three” new S Arlington elementary schools. They have known about other needs and not done anything. Going from a stated need to closing a school is a pretty big step given the lack of action in other places

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have been at N Arlington schools (elementary and middle) at peak overcrowding. Trailers for sure. But none of the other things you mention were an issue. Anyway, if it gets that bad they can put Nottingham back in action as a neighbor hood school.

You are wrong about this. Kids have to eat lunch at like ten now at our North Arlington elementary (and middle) schools. Cafeteria cannot accommodate.
And school is not overcrowded because everyone pulled their kid for private.

I don’t hate that trailers although I think it’s hilarious that we have kids in overcrowded schools and trailers rather efficiently use under-enrolled actual school buildings.

And the fact that trailers are a long term solution in Arlington. Our school has had them for probably more than 20 years; definitely more than a decade. That cracks me up as well. Idiots at APS. Cannot plan.

Because we have limited land and budget.

No actually, right now the issue is that we have a dumb plan to close a school and put kids in trailers at other schools.

For all of you who think trailers are just fine, good luck.

You say this as though trailers are a new practice and none of us have experience with them.

I do. They were in fact fine. My kids say they were fine. Calm down.

Look at all these pro APS groupies who are perfectly fine with trailers. Did APS staff find this thread?

I thought trailers were horrible…until my kids actually had classes in them. They truly are not bad at all. My kids (and their teachers) liked it because they had some independence.

Do the people complaining about trailers actually have kids in APS?

Funniest thing I realized recently on AEM. One of the biggest APE loudmouths’ kids just started in APS in the last year or so. So much of that screaming was *before* she even had kids in APS. Some people just enjoy complaining.

Yes a lot of the APEs have very young kids or kids not even in APS. A lot moved to private. They are just really loud but they don't have much actual experience with APS or public schools.

Page 73 of this thread is FILLED with anti-APE statements. How can you say that defending a post defending the predicate for their organization — opening schools — should be blocked and off topic?

Anyone who posts on here in defense of keeping Nottingham opening or questioning the APS staff is labeled “APE.” It appears to me that attackers are using it as a proxy to mean a wealthy, entitled, probably white North Arlingtonian. Again, not in APE, but planning on joining based solely on this thread.

Why is APE relevant to this thread and why are the last dozen comments about them? Do they have an opinion on Nottingham? Or is it because they are the proxy for white entitled North Arlington? Why are people so obsessed with this group? Cue 5 more pages of hysteria.

Yes, APE released a statement to Arlnow that they have concerns about the proposal and the anti-APEs lost their mind because the APEs didn’t speak out on masks but would speak out on this. Or something.

Queue a dozen questions about what their mission does and doesn’t entail and a whole lot of stereotyping nastiness about white North Arlington parents, and here we are.

Cue the queue?

People don't like APE because they are irrational and clueless. Plus, they shat on teachers and other parents for years.

Once again, APE was right about COVID. You were wrong. Your fire breathing is what is irrational here. Get over it. You were wrong.

No, given the info at the time they were not "right".

Huge swaths of this bastion of liberal wokeness wanted it open? What are you talking about? Science and history have judged your case and you were wrong.

Careful, your MAGA is showing, Mr. APE

People who wanted the schools open are not only APE they are also MAGA? Holy cow. You are delusional.

DP. The founder and current board are MAGA.

.

I wanted the schools open. I wasnt in APE. I have nothing to do with APE. You insist I am APE. I have voted democratic for decades. The democrats got the covid issue wrong. I am increasingly disagreeing with APS as I see their planning as short sighted. I am also not a Nottingham parent.

+1. The continuing hostility to people who wanted the schools open when it was objectively the right thing to do (in hindsight) baffles me. And while I’m not the PP, I have kids, and they were in daycare at the time because keeping them home was not a viable option for our family. They were nervous times for sure. A lot of fearmongering about remote risks from keeping schools open (ie healthy kids dying), and a lot of discounting of likely risks from keeping schools closed (ie behavioral problems, speech delays, addiction/suicide).

Overreacting based on limited data and an artificially narrow set of considerations seems to be the APS way. And while I hate how MAGA politicized this thing initially, the Left certainly did its part in locking it in. We have to recognize how we went wrong if we ever hope to do better in future.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have been at N Arlington schools (elementary and middle) at peak overcrowding. Trailers for sure. But none of the other things you mention were an issue. Anyway, if it gets that bad they can put Nottingham back in action as a neighbor hood school.

You are wrong about this. Kids have to eat lunch at like ten now at our North Arlington elementary (and middle) schools. Cafeteria cannot accommodate.
And school is not overcrowded because everyone pulled their kid for private.

I don’t hate that trailers although I think it’s hilarious that we have kids in overcrowded schools and trailers rather efficiently use under-enrolled actual school buildings.

And the fact that trailers are a long term solution in Arlington. Our school has had them for probably more than 20 years; definitely more than a decade. That cracks me up as well. Idiots at APS. Cannot plan.

Because we have limited land and budget.

No actually, right now the issue is that we have a dumb plan to close a school and put kids in trailers at other schools.

For all of you who think trailers are just fine, good luck.

You say this as though trailers are a new practice and none of us have experience with them.

I do. They were in fact fine. My kids say they were fine. Calm down.

Look at all these pro APS groupies who are perfectly fine with trailers. Did APS staff find this thread?

I thought trailers were horrible…until my kids actually had classes in them. They truly are not bad at all. My kids (and their teachers) liked it because they had some independence.

Do the people complaining about trailers actually have kids in APS?

Funniest thing I realized recently on AEM. One of the biggest APE loudmouths’ kids just started in APS in the last year or so. So much of that screaming was *before* she even had kids in APS. Some people just enjoy complaining.

Yes a lot of the APEs have very young kids or kids not even in APS. A lot moved to private. They are just really loud but they don't have much actual experience with APS or public schools.

Page 73 of this thread is FILLED with anti-APE statements. How can you say that defending a post defending the predicate for their organization — opening schools — should be blocked and off topic?

Anyone who posts on here in defense of keeping Nottingham opening or questioning the APS staff is labeled “APE.” It appears to me that attackers are using it as a proxy to mean a wealthy, entitled, probably white North Arlingtonian. Again, not in APE, but planning on joining based solely on this thread.

Why is APE relevant to this thread and why are the last dozen comments about them? Do they have an opinion on Nottingham? Or is it because they are the proxy for white entitled North Arlington? Why are people so obsessed with this group? Cue 5 more pages of hysteria.

Yes, APE released a statement to Arlnow that they have concerns about the proposal and the anti-APEs lost their mind because the APEs didn’t speak out on masks but would speak out on this. Or something.

Queue a dozen questions about what their mission does and doesn’t entail and a whole lot of stereotyping nastiness about white North Arlington parents, and here we are.

Cue the queue?

People don't like APE because they are irrational and clueless. Plus, they shat on teachers and other parents for years.

Once again, APE was right about COVID. You were wrong. Your fire breathing is what is irrational here. Get over it. You were wrong.

No, given the info at the time they were not "right".

Huge swaths of this bastion of liberal wokeness wanted it open? What are you talking about? Science and history have judged your case and you were wrong.

Careful, your MAGA is showing, Mr. APE

People who wanted the schools open are not only APE they are also MAGA? Holy cow. You are delusional.

DP. The founder and current board are MAGA.

.

I wanted the schools open. I wasnt in APE. I have nothing to do with APE. You insist I am APE. I have voted democratic for decades. The democrats got the covid issue wrong. I am increasingly disagreeing with APS as I see their planning as short sighted. I am also not a Nottingham parent.

+1. The continuing hostility to people who wanted the schools open when it was objectively the right thing to do (in hindsight) baffles me. And while I’m not the PP, I have kids, and they were in daycare at the time because keeping them home was not a viable option for our family. They were nervous times for sure. A lot of fearmongering about remote risks from keeping schools open (ie healthy kids dying), and a lot of discounting of likely risks from keeping schools closed (ie behavioral problems, speech delays, addiction/suicide).

Overreacting based on limited data and an artificially narrow set of considerations seems to be the APS way. And while I hate how MAGA politicized this thing initially, the Left certainly did its part in locking it in. We have to recognize how we went wrong if we ever hope to do better in future.

I remember the fearmongering and irrational screaming about virtual school, and total denialism of the risks of Covid.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids have been at N Arlington schools (elementary and middle) at peak overcrowding. Trailers for sure. But none of the other things you mention were an issue. Anyway, if it gets that bad they can put Nottingham back in action as a neighbor hood school.

You are wrong about this. Kids have to eat lunch at like ten now at our North Arlington elementary (and middle) schools. Cafeteria cannot accommodate.
And school is not overcrowded because everyone pulled their kid for private.

I don’t hate that trailers although I think it’s hilarious that we have kids in overcrowded schools and trailers rather efficiently use under-enrolled actual school buildings.

And the fact that trailers are a long term solution in Arlington. Our school has had them for probably more than 20 years; definitely more than a decade. That cracks me up as well. Idiots at APS. Cannot plan.

Because we have limited land and budget.

No actually, right now the issue is that we have a dumb plan to close a school and put kids in trailers at other schools.

For all of you who think trailers are just fine, good luck.

You say this as though trailers are a new practice and none of us have experience with them.

I do. They were in fact fine. My kids say they were fine. Calm down.

Look at all these pro APS groupies who are perfectly fine with trailers. Did APS staff find this thread?

I thought trailers were horrible…until my kids actually had classes in them. They truly are not bad at all. My kids (and their teachers) liked it because they had some independence.

Do the people complaining about trailers actually have kids in APS?

Funniest thing I realized recently on AEM. One of the biggest APE loudmouths’ kids just started in APS in the last year or so. So much of that screaming was *before* she even had kids in APS. Some people just enjoy complaining.

Yes a lot of the APEs have very young kids or kids not even in APS. A lot moved to private. They are just really loud but they don't have much actual experience with APS or public schools.

Page 73 of this thread is FILLED with anti-APE statements. How can you say that defending a post defending the predicate for their organization — opening schools — should be blocked and off topic?

Anyone who posts on here in defense of keeping Nottingham opening or questioning the APS staff is labeled “APE.” It appears to me that attackers are using it as a proxy to mean a wealthy, entitled, probably white North Arlingtonian. Again, not in APE, but planning on joining based solely on this thread.

Why is APE relevant to this thread and why are the last dozen comments about them? Do they have an opinion on Nottingham? Or is it because they are the proxy for white entitled North Arlington? Why are people so obsessed with this group? Cue 5 more pages of hysteria.

Yes, APE released a statement to Arlnow that they have concerns about the proposal and the anti-APEs lost their mind because the APEs didn’t speak out on masks but would speak out on this. Or something.

Queue a dozen questions about what their mission does and doesn’t entail and a whole lot of stereotyping nastiness about white North Arlington parents, and here we are.

Cue the queue?

People don't like APE because they are irrational and clueless. Plus, they shat on teachers and other parents for years.

Once again, APE was right about COVID. You were wrong. Your fire breathing is what is irrational here. Get over it. You were wrong.

No, given the info at the time they were not "right".

Huge swaths of this bastion of liberal wokeness wanted it open? What are you talking about? Science and history have judged your case and you were wrong.

Careful, your MAGA is showing, Mr. APE

People who wanted the schools open are not only APE they are also MAGA? Holy cow. You are delusional.

DP. The founder and current board are MAGA.

.

I wanted the schools open. I wasnt in APE. I have nothing to do with APE. You insist I am APE. I have voted democratic for decades. The democrats got the covid issue wrong. I am increasingly disagreeing with APS as I see their planning as short sighted. I am also not a Nottingham parent.

+1. The continuing hostility to people who wanted the schools open when it was objectively the right thing to do (in hindsight) baffles me. And while I’m not the PP, I have kids, and they were in daycare at the time because keeping them home was not a viable option for our family. They were nervous times for sure. A lot of fearmongering about remote risks from keeping schools open (ie healthy kids dying), and a lot of discounting of likely risks from keeping schools closed (ie behavioral problems, speech delays, addiction/suicide).

Overreacting based on limited data and an artificially narrow set of considerations seems to be the APS way. And while I hate how MAGA politicized this thing initially, the Left certainly did its part in locking it in. We have to recognize how we went wrong if we ever hope to do better in future.

I remember the fearmongering and irrational screaming about virtual school, and total denialism of the risks of Covid.

Only people without children would say: “irrational screaming about virtual school.”