Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?

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Anonymous wrote:Why not make the DC Police Dept all minority to eradicate the problem - at least in DC?

Cool question. The same reason that Black overseers wouldn't solve the horrors of slavery.

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Anonymous wrote:Please stop engaging these anonymous cowards who don't want to accept the verdict. They have no power in their own pitiful lives and their only joy is to come on here and try to stir up the pot.

You don't even know who they are because they hide behind the internet. Don't worry about them.

Not sure who you're talking about. I'm trying to understand how police practice can be fixed and what the issues are that must be dealt with. Are you happy with the policies of the Minneapolis PD?

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Anonymous wrote:Will this be the beginning of some unity?

Expect the opposite from BLM.

They do not want unity.

Because a young woman who called for help was just shot by police. The problems run much deeper than one conviction.

Was it justified?

It sounds like you already made up your mind.

SHE called the police for help because a gang of girls were assaulting her in front of her home. She had a knife she was holding to fend them off until police arrived. Police rolled up and shot her FOUR TIMES within seconds, even though witnesses say she dropped the knife immediately.

Let’s see what the body cams show, but I can attest that in most civilized developed economies police attempt deescalation for at least a few minutes with a ‘suspect’ wielding a knife or other weapon before gunning them down.

She was a black teenaged girl. The cop who shot her four times is white.

We know you only care about the race of the person shot. Please leave police investigations up to the police. The opinion of people who have no training or experience is irrelevant.

I’m a former prosecutor who worked hand in hand with cops for years. I’ve seen thousands of hours of dashcam and bodycam video of police interactions with citizens. I have a great deal of knowledge and experience with use of force investigations and being the person in charge of guiding police investigations of all types of crimes.

Want to try again, azzhole?

I'm confused, are you a justice warrior or prosecutor? Regardless, you are not a police officer and therefore know little about use of force, tactics, or firearms.

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Apparently police officers know very little about those things either considering they keep “accidentally” killing people

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Anonymous wrote:Will this be the beginning of some unity?

Expect the opposite from BLM.

They do not want unity.

Because a young woman who called for help was just shot by police. The problems run much deeper than one conviction.

Was it justified?

It sounds like you already made up your mind.

SHE called the police for help because a gang of girls were assaulting her in front of her home. She had a knife she was holding to fend them off until police arrived. Police rolled up and shot her FOUR TIMES within seconds, even though witnesses say she dropped the knife immediately.

Let’s see what the body cams show, but I can attest that in most civilized developed economies police attempt deescalation for at least a few minutes with a ‘suspect’ wielding a knife or other weapon before gunning them down.

She was a black teenaged girl. The cop who shot her four times is white.

We know you only care about the race of the person shot. Please leave police investigations up to the police. The opinion of people who have no training or experience is irrelevant.

I’m a former prosecutor who worked hand in hand with cops for years. I’ve seen thousands of hours of dashcam and bodycam video of police interactions with citizens. I have a great deal of knowledge and experience with use of force investigations and being the person in charge of guiding police investigations of all types of crimes.

Want to try again, azzhole?

DP. Tell us how you’d fix the issues, in your opinion.

A good start would be passage and enactment of the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act

The longer game involves changing police culture over time by rooting out the white supremacists and the culture of trigger happy highly aggressive ‘looking for a fight’ cop mentality which is way too common. I’ve personally seen it in Maine, Massachusetts, Montana, Arizona and DC. and we’ve all seen cases from every state in the country - at least those of us who follow these issues have. It’s an American problem and it has roots is the history of policing but also in our recent trend toward militarization of the police, training that encourages police to see all citizens as ‘them’ and justice being for ‘just us’. While racism is a big issue in policing, I’ve lived and worked in 98% white jurisdictions where too many police got off on abusing white citizens too.

I think all police should have at minimum multiple years of education before getting licensed to carry a lethal weapon and use deadly force. Whether that means requiring a bachelors degree with coursework focused in areas that build understanding and empathy for a broad range of human experience, or a years long curriculum designed by policing authorities as is required in many other countries - we just need better educated people in these critical roles in our communities. A great many local police departments require nothing more than a high school diploma and a few weeks training at the police academy. It’s a ridiculously low bar.

Something has to be done about the power and influence of police unions and PBAs, too.

If you’re truly interested in the issues around modern American policing, I highly recommend reading Radley Balko; he wrote an excellent book called The Rise of the Warrior Cop and has an regular column in WashPo full of great reflections on modern policing and great ideas for reform. You might also check out the 2015 documentary Peace Officer in which he appears.

Maybe you can answer. Why is there always such a rush to subdue. It often seems like if the cops just waited safely in their car or hung back, the person could de-escalate. Is it a pride or machismo thing too? Like you don't want to be the one who let a perp get away? Or you don't want to be responsible if the perp commits another crime?

Another question I have is, are there quotas or incentives for cops to pull people over?

How does the stress of working in a violent area affect cops?

Um, if you do the crime, you do the time. Why not?

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Defund the training of police.

- what could possibly go wrong with less training??

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Anonymous wrote:Will this be the beginning of some unity?

Expect the opposite from BLM.

They do not want unity.

Because a young woman who called for help was just shot by police. The problems run much deeper than one conviction.

Thank you for proving my point:

BLM does not seek unity.

Expect BLM’s rioting to get much worse now.

[Anonymous]

Good to know that drug using criminals are now protected from the police. And rioting is ok.

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I really hope police start thinking twice before drawing their guns or hurting citizens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good to know that drug using criminals are now protected from the police. And rioting is ok.

Your hyperbole is ridiculous, and as say this as the daughter and sister of LEOs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good to know that drug using criminals are now protected from the police. And rioting is ok.

Yes, criminals are protected from being murdered by homicidal policemen.

It's good news for everyone.

[Anonymous]

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I'm confused, are you a justice warrior or prosecutor? Regardless, you are not a police officer and therefore know little about use of force, tactics, or firearms.

Are you for real?

Prosecutors know more about policing than anybody outside the police themselves.

Beyond that, I was raised by a lifetime NRA member and earned my US Army Expert Marksman rating at age 15 when I completed the weapons qualifications course in JROTC.

And I’ve read so extensively on the topic of police use of force as to be pretty close to expert in that, too. My credentials are such that I’m seriously considering leaving retirement from LEO work to take a professional position with a police reform task force.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m worried about Chauvin’s safety in prison. I can’t imagine what he’s feeling tonight. (K, flame me for sympathy for the devil, whatever. I like to look at things from the other side.)

Eric Nelson looked close to tears after the verdict—his glasses were even a little foggy. I can’t imagine what he feels either.

You can worry for both of us, because I am utterly unconcerned about how Chauvin will fare in prison.

I pity Chauvin, but he had a very long time to make his choice the day he knelt on Floyd's neck and killed him, so it's more of a sadness that he did this to himself when there were so many other choices he could have made.

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Anonymous wrote:Good to know that drug using criminals are now protected from the police. And rioting is ok.

Yes, criminals are protected from being murdered by homicidal policemen.

It's good news for everyone.

No criminals are killing themselves and innocent people.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m worried about Chauvin’s safety in prison. I can’t imagine what he’s feeling tonight. (K, flame me for sympathy for the devil, whatever. I like to look at things from the other side.)

Eric Nelson looked close to tears after the verdict—his glasses were even a little foggy. I can’t imagine what he feels either.

You can worry for both of us, because I am utterly unconcerned about how Chauvin will fare in prison.

I pity Chauvin, but he had a very long time to make his choice the day he knelt on Floyd's neck and killed him, so it's more of a sadness that he did this to himself when there were so many other choices he could have made.

That's it. It was never about race, just a overly aggressive guy who I believe wanted to show off to his subordinates. On how to subdue a combative guy on drugs with a criminal history.
Chauvin had a few things in his past that should have had him weeded out. It's sad for both men that made poor choices in life.