Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m worried about Chauvin’s safety in prison. I can’t imagine what he’s feeling tonight. (K, flame me for sympathy for the devil, whatever. I like to look at things from the other side.)

Eric Nelson looked close to tears after the verdict—his glasses were even a little foggy. I can’t imagine what he feels either.

You can worry for both of us, because I am utterly unconcerned about how Chauvin will fare in prison.

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Anonymous wrote:Will this be the beginning of some unity?

Expect the opposite from BLM.

They do not want unity.

Because a young woman who called for help was just shot by police. The problems run much deeper than one conviction.

Was it justified?

It sounds like you already made up your mind.

SHE called the police for help because a gang of girls were assaulting her in front of her home. She had a knife she was holding to fend them off until police arrived. Police rolled up and shot her FOUR TIMES within seconds, even though witnesses say she dropped the knife immediately.

Let’s see what the body cams show, but I can attest that in most civilized developed economies police attempt deescalation for at least a few minutes with a ‘suspect’ wielding a knife or other weapon before gunning them down.

She was a black teenaged girl. The cop who shot her four times is white.

This is sickening. I also recommend folks stop engaging with the racist. They are tiresome (as are all racists) and love the attention.

+1. Let them shout into the wind while decent people ignore them.

[Anonymous]

I just don't see how this has anything to do with reform or training. Just abolish this crap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m worried about Chauvin’s safety in prison. I can’t imagine what he’s feeling tonight. (K, flame me for sympathy for the devil, whatever. I like to look at things from the other side.)

Eric Nelson looked close to tears after the verdict—his glasses were even a little foggy. I can’t imagine what he feels either.

This POS would also be worried about the feelings of Hitler, Pol Pot and Saddam Hussein, it seems.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Will this be the beginning of some unity?

Expect the opposite from BLM.

They do not want unity.

Marxism seeks to divide even families.

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Anonymous wrote:When was the last time a cop was found guilty of murder for killing someone who was resisting arrest? Ever?

The prosection did an excellent job. Even still, they never convict in these cases. Except this one.

The ACLU said this is the first time in Minnesota state history that a white police officer has been held accountable for killing a Black man.

And Ari Melber at MSNBC tweeted that from 2005 to 2015, across thousands of police killings, the number of police officers convicted of murder for shooting a person was zero.

Why doesn’t he care about one single one of the white men that cops killed?

Oh wow — you got it! None of us actually care when white people get killed by the cops. We *only* care when black people get killed.

When was the last time BLM or any other leftists had a decent sized protest for a white person killed by the police? Everyone know the keyboard warriors go absolutely crazy when a POC is killed by the police. Just look at DCUM, ok. How many threads are there about white people being killed by cops? That's called racism.

When was the last time Susan G Komen held a walk for prostate cancer? If you want to hold protests about police killing white people, have at it. BLM makes very clear the movement's purpose, so I'm not really sure where your confusion is coming from.

Then do no expect support from non blacks. Have at it.

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Anonymous wrote:Was any evidence presented that Chauvin was racist? (I haven’t followed the case closely.)

He is still married to a person of color (although she’s divorcing him).

His wife is Asian, not Black.

What’s wrong with that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Will this be the beginning of some unity?

Expect the opposite from BLM.

They do not want unity.

Marxism seeks to divide even families.

Yes, capitalism never does that. Not when slave families were sold apart and not when prison labor markets are staffed with our family members. You are very smart.

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Anonymous wrote:Will this be the beginning of some unity?

Expect the opposite from BLM.

They do not want unity.

Marxism seeks to divide even families.

Yes, capitalism never does that. Not when slave families were sold apart and not when prison labor markets are staffed with our family members. You are very smart.

If you want to find slave families these days, you’ll have to go to China or one or those countries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m worried about Chauvin’s safety in prison. I can’t imagine what he’s feeling tonight. (K, flame me for sympathy for the devil, whatever. I like to look at things from the other side.)

Eric Nelson looked close to tears after the verdict—his glasses were even a little foggy. I can’t imagine what he feels either.

You can worry for both of us, because I am utterly unconcerned about how Chauvin will fare in prison.

This kind of comment is really egregious and unnecessary.

As a former prosecutor I am all about seeing guilty people held accountable for their crimes and made to pay their debt to society.

I am always sickened to see people who likely consider themselves to be law abiding and seekers of justice essentially supporting crime so long as it happens in prison to convicts paying their statutorily mandated debt to society.

Here are some things to consider when you are advocating for rape and assault in the prison system:
Some people in prison are actually innocent - more and more we see how common wrongful convictions really are.
Lots of people in prison committed essentially victimless crimes. Nonviolent crimes.
Many people in prison are victims of mental health disorders and substance use disorders often rooted in childhood abuse and neglect and were failed by our social systems long before they committed crimes.
Most people in prison will be back living among us someday, carrying all the baggage of what happens to them there.

Please stop making jokes or comments that normalize or make light of prison rape assault and murder. It’s beyond disgusting. Convicts are paying the debt we agreed via out elected legislatures that they should pay, we would be monsters if we cheered them becoming victims of crime in the process.

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Anonymous wrote:Will this be the beginning of some unity?

Expect the opposite from BLM.

They do not want unity.

Because a young woman who called for help was just shot by police. The problems run much deeper than one conviction.

Was it justified?

It sounds like you already made up your mind.

SHE called the police for help because a gang of girls were assaulting her in front of her home. She had a knife she was holding to fend them off until police arrived. Police rolled up and shot her FOUR TIMES within seconds, even though witnesses say she dropped the knife immediately.

Let’s see what the body cams show, but I can attest that in most civilized developed economies police attempt deescalation for at least a few minutes with a ‘suspect’ wielding a knife or other weapon before gunning them down.

She was a black teenaged girl. The cop who shot her four times is white.

We know you only care about the race of the person shot. Please leave police investigations up to the police. The opinion of people who have no training or experience is irrelevant.

I’m a former prosecutor who worked hand in hand with cops for years. I’ve seen thousands of hours of dashcam and bodycam video of police interactions with citizens. I have a great deal of knowledge and experience with use of force investigations and being the person in charge of guiding police investigations of all types of crimes.

Want to try again, azzhole?

DP. Tell us how you’d fix the issues, in your opinion.

A good start would be passage and enactment of the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act

The longer game involves changing police culture over time by rooting out the white supremacists and the culture of trigger happy highly aggressive ‘looking for a fight’ cop mentality which is way too common. I’ve personally seen it in Maine, Massachusetts, Montana, Arizona and DC. and we’ve all seen cases from every state in the country - at least those of us who follow these issues have. It’s an American problem and it has roots is the history of policing but also in our recent trend toward militarization of the police, training that encourages police to see all citizens as ‘them’ and justice being for ‘just us’. While racism is a big issue in policing, I’ve lived and worked in 98% white jurisdictions where too many police got off on abusing white citizens too.

I think all police should have at minimum multiple years of education before getting licensed to carry a lethal weapon and use deadly force. Whether that means requiring a bachelors degree with coursework focused in areas that build understanding and empathy for a broad range of human experience, or a years long curriculum designed by policing authorities as is required in many other countries - we just need better educated people in these critical roles in our communities. A great many local police departments require nothing more than a high school diploma and a few weeks training at the police academy. It’s a ridiculously low bar.

Something has to be done about the power and influence of police unions and PBAs, too.

If you’re truly interested in the issues around modern American policing, I highly recommend reading Radley Balko; he wrote an excellent book called The Rise of the Warrior Cop and has an regular column in WashPo full of great reflections on modern policing and great ideas for reform. You might also check out the 2015 documentary Peace Officer in which he appears.

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Why not make the DC Police Dept all minority to eradicate the problem - at least in DC?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why not make the DC Police Dept all minority to eradicate the problem - at least in DC?

Because bias in policing people of color has been proven to extend to officers of color, for one. Beyond that, the penchant for quickly resorting to violence among police transcends race of police officer and race of the citizens victimized by it. It’s worse for people of color but it happens to white folks too.

The issues are complex and require complex solutions. I’m beginning to suspect there is trolling happening here and not real interest in a meaningful discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will this be the beginning of some unity?

Expect the opposite from BLM.

They do not want unity.

Because a young woman who called for help was just shot by police. The problems run much deeper than one conviction.

Was it justified?

It sounds like you already made up your mind.

SHE called the police for help because a gang of girls were assaulting her in front of her home. She had a knife she was holding to fend them off until police arrived. Police rolled up and shot her FOUR TIMES within seconds, even though witnesses say she dropped the knife immediately.

Let’s see what the body cams show, but I can attest that in most civilized developed economies police attempt deescalation for at least a few minutes with a ‘suspect’ wielding a knife or other weapon before gunning them down.

She was a black teenaged girl. The cop who shot her four times is white.

We know you only care about the race of the person shot. Please leave police investigations up to the police. The opinion of people who have no training or experience is irrelevant.

I’m a former prosecutor who worked hand in hand with cops for years. I’ve seen thousands of hours of dashcam and bodycam video of police interactions with citizens. I have a great deal of knowledge and experience with use of force investigations and being the person in charge of guiding police investigations of all types of crimes.

Want to try again, azzhole?

DP. Tell us how you’d fix the issues, in your opinion.

A good start would be passage and enactment of the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act

The longer game involves changing police culture over time by rooting out the white supremacists and the culture of trigger happy highly aggressive ‘looking for a fight’ cop mentality which is way too common. I’ve personally seen it in Maine, Massachusetts, Montana, Arizona and DC. and we’ve all seen cases from every state in the country - at least those of us who follow these issues have. It’s an American problem and it has roots is the history of policing but also in our recent trend toward militarization of the police, training that encourages police to see all citizens as ‘them’ and justice being for ‘just us’. While racism is a big issue in policing, I’ve lived and worked in 98% white jurisdictions where too many police got off on abusing white citizens too.

I think all police should have at minimum multiple years of education before getting licensed to carry a lethal weapon and use deadly force. Whether that means requiring a bachelors degree with coursework focused in areas that build understanding and empathy for a broad range of human experience, or a years long curriculum designed by policing authorities as is required in many other countries - we just need better educated people in these critical roles in our communities. A great many local police departments require nothing more than a high school diploma and a few weeks training at the police academy. It’s a ridiculously low bar.

Something has to be done about the power and influence of police unions and PBAs, too.

If you’re truly interested in the issues around modern American policing, I highly recommend reading Radley Balko; he wrote an excellent book called The Rise of the Warrior Cop and has an regular column in WashPo full of great reflections on modern policing and great ideas for reform. You might also check out the 2015 documentary Peace Officer in which he appears.

Maybe you can answer. Why is there always such a rush to subdue. It often seems like if the cops just waited safely in their car or hung back, the person could de-escalate. Is it a pride or machismo thing too? Like you don't want to be the one who let a perp get away? Or you don't want to be responsible if the perp commits another crime?

Another question I have is, are there quotas or incentives for cops to pull people over?

How does the stress of working in a violent area affect cops?

[Anonymous]

Please stop engaging these anonymous cowards who don't want to accept the verdict. They have no power in their own pitiful lives and their only joy is to come on here and try to stir up the pot.

You don't even know who they are because they hide behind the internet. Don't worry about them.