That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

[Anonymous]

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Not a troll but someone who believes that she is no less guilty than he is. Why is he the only one paying the price for both of them being dumb? She is paying the price for something that has nothing to do with him but rather the system she has been put through. Let's face it: she was going to pass out regardless.

He is the one paying the price because he is the one who raped somebody. Because he is a rapist. By action, and by law.

What happened to the victim has everything to do with him. Because he raped her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hate to say this, but it doesn't seem like rape to me either. It seems like it was a party hook-up by two drunken idiots that went off the rails. He fingered her according to him, with her consent. There was no PIV.

Then why did he run? And he certainly noticed she wasn't conscious since the swedes riding by on their bike noticed. Also why not go to a dorm room? I think she passed out while they were walking so he carried her behind the dumpster and raped her.

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He and Emily Doe were kissing at the party and they left together. They likely went behind the dumpster not realizing that they were still in plain view. They fooled around, she passed out and he kept sexually engaging with her (disgusting).

When the swedes saw him dry humping a passed out woman, they yelled at him "What are you doing to her!?! Stop!!". He got off her and started to run. They chased and tackled him.

If the swedes hadn't shown up on the scene he would have likely finished what he was doing and left her behind that dumpster. She would have woke up a couple of hours later, half naked, feeling like crap and wondering wth had happened and realizing - oh crap, anyone driving by could see me laying here by this dumpster!

Neither one of these two young adults treated each other (or themselves!) with any respect or decency. She was a grown woman with a serious boyfriend who got black out drunk and opted to kiss and leave a party with an underage 19 year old college guy. She wound up passed out cold behind a dumpster. He got drunk beyond reason and wound up sexually assaulting this passed out woman.

They both made extremely poor and unfortunate choices that night. I'll bet that neither one of them would have behaved that way sober. It is a shame all around.

Did you have to create this whole false narrative of 'what really happened' to make yourself feel better for being a rape apologist?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
He and Emily Doe were kissing at the party and they left together. They likely went behind the dumpster not realizing that they were still in plain view. They fooled around, she passed out and he kept sexually engaging with her (disgusting).

When the swedes saw him dry humping a passed out woman, they yelled at him "What are you doing to her!?! Stop!!". He got off her and started to run. They chased and tackled him.

If the swedes hadn't shown up on the scene he would have likely finished what he was doing and left her behind that dumpster. She would have woke up a couple of hours later, half naked, feeling like crap and wondering wth had happened and realizing - oh crap, anyone driving by could see me laying here by this dumpster!

Neither one of these two young adults treated each other (or themselves!) with any respect or decency. She was a grown woman with a serious boyfriend who got black out drunk and opted to kiss and leave a party with an underage 19 year old college guy. She wound up passed out cold behind a dumpster. He got drunk beyond reason and wound up sexually assaulting this passed out woman.

They both made extremely poor and unfortunate choices that night. I'll bet that neither one of them would have behaved that way sober. It is a shame all around.

Did you have to create this whole false narrative of 'what really happened' to make yourself feel better for being a rape apologist?

That is the narrative. PP added judgment, not facts. You can read that and think, he's a rapist because he didn't stop (or notice) when she passed out. You can also read it and think, she made some poor choices. She was a college grad, he was a freshmen. Who needs protecting from who?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
He and Emily Doe were kissing at the party and they left together. They likely went behind the dumpster not realizing that they were still in plain view. They fooled around, she passed out and he kept sexually engaging with her (disgusting).

When the swedes saw him dry humping a passed out woman, they yelled at him "What are you doing to her!?! Stop!!". He got off her and started to run. They chased and tackled him.

If the swedes hadn't shown up on the scene he would have likely finished what he was doing and left her behind that dumpster. She would have woke up a couple of hours later, half naked, feeling like crap and wondering wth had happened and realizing - oh crap, anyone driving by could see me laying here by this dumpster!

Neither one of these two young adults treated each other (or themselves!) with any respect or decency. She was a grown woman with a serious boyfriend who got black out drunk and opted to kiss and leave a party with an underage 19 year old college guy. She wound up passed out cold behind a dumpster. He got drunk beyond reason and wound up sexually assaulting this passed out woman.

They both made extremely poor and unfortunate choices that night. I'll bet that neither one of them would have behaved that way sober. It is a shame all around.

Did you have to create this whole false narrative of 'what really happened' to make yourself feel better for being a rape apologist?

That is the narrative. PP added judgment, not facts. You can read that and think, he's a rapist because he didn't stop (or notice) when she passed out. You can also read it and think, she made some poor choices. She was a college grad, he was a freshmen. Who needs protecting from who?

I'm gonna say the woman who got raped by the rapist needs protection.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Not a troll but someone who believes that she is no less guilty than he is. Why is he the only one paying the price for both of them being dumb? She is paying the price for something that has nothing to do with him but rather the system she has been put through. Let's face it: she was going to pass out regardless.

He is the one paying the price because he is the one who raped somebody. Because he is a rapist. By action, and by law.

What happened to the victim has everything to do with him. Because he raped her.

In a court of law rape charges were dropped. You can call him rapist all you want but he is not a rapist. You are speaking form a position of social justice and it's a very dangerous trend.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hate to say this, but it doesn't seem like rape to me either. It seems like it was a party hook-up by two drunken idiots that went off the rails. He fingered her according to him, with her consent. There was no PIV.

Then why did he run? And he certainly noticed she wasn't conscious since the swedes riding by on their bike noticed. Also why not go to a dorm room? I think she passed out while they were walking so he carried her behind the dumpster and raped her.

+1

He and Emily Doe were kissing at the party and they left together. They likely went behind the dumpster not realizing that they were still in plain view. They fooled around, she passed out and he kept sexually engaging with her (disgusting).

When the swedes saw him dry humping a passed out woman, they yelled at him "What are you doing to her!?! Stop!!". He got off her and started to run. They chased and tackled him.

If the swedes hadn't shown up on the scene he would have likely finished what he was doing and left her behind that dumpster. She would have woke up a couple of hours later, half naked, feeling like crap and wondering wth had happened and realizing - oh crap, anyone driving by could see me laying here by this dumpster!

Neither one of these two young adults treated each other (or themselves!) with any respect or decency. She was a grown woman with a serious boyfriend who got black out drunk and opted to kiss and leave a party with an underage 19 year old college guy. She wound up passed out cold behind a dumpster. He got drunk beyond reason and wound up sexually assaulting this passed out woman.

They both made extremely poor and unfortunate choices that night. I'll bet that neither one of them would have behaved that way sober. It is a shame all around.

Did you have to create this whole false narrative of 'what really happened' to make yourself feel better for being a rape apologist?

What part is false? Did she not drink herself black out drunk? Did he not drink heavily himself? Did he not come on to women at the party? Did Emily Doe not kiss and leave the party with him?

I think it's more likely that the sexual activity was consensual on her part than it is that she left the party to have him walk her home or help her hail a cab or...whatever "logical" explanation you might be able to think of for her leaving the party with this guy.

Just because she did A LOT of things wrong herself does not excuse what this guy did to her. He was wrong and he was convicted for his wrongdoing. But Emily Doe is responsible for hurting herself too - because blacking out on a public street by a dumpster and not knowing what happened to yourself or how you got there because you drank yourself passed out is absolutely HURTING YOURSELF.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another major problem that this case should highlight is admissions standards for athletes. Brock's statement was so poorly written it's hard to believe he is a college student, much less at a top university. I was a swimmer so I know how he got there but it's a disgrace. Maybe he is smarter than he came across but if not he has no business being at the school.

I hope you don't think every student accepted at Stanford or any other top school necessarily has the academic background and writing skills to be there. That's why so many schools have implemented programs to assist freshmen "adjust" to the rigors of college. There are all kinds of reasons for students being admitted to round out the student body.


https://teachingcommons.stanford.edu/resources/teaching-resources/interacting-students/supporting-vulnerable-students

[Anonymous]

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What part is false? Did she not drink herself black out drunk? Did he not drink heavily himself? Did he not come on to women at the party? Did Emily Doe not kiss and leave the party with him?

I think it's more likely that the sexual activity was consensual on her part than it is that she left the party to have him walk her home or help her hail a cab or...whatever "logical" explanation you might be able to think of for her leaving the party with this guy.

Just because she did A LOT of things wrong herself does not excuse what this guy did to her. He was wrong and he was convicted for his wrongdoing. But Emily Doe is responsible for hurting herself too - because blacking out on a public street by a dumpster and not knowing what happened to yourself or how you got there because you drank yourself passed out is absolutely HURTING YOURSELF.

This is entirely your speculation. And even if it were: once she was unconscious and he continued, it was sexual assault. Although if we're speculating, I'd go ahead an say he raped her, but they couldn't prove it. Since we're speculating.

Also since we're speculating, one has to wonder why so many posters are defending rape. It's creepy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:wish people would stop calling it rape. it was sexual assault. rape charges were dropped.

would be interested to read examination and cross-examination of victim but unable to find. here is the complaint with statements by involved persons: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/1532973/complaint-brock-turner.pdf

OK. So he is not "technically" a "rapist." He's still a sh*tbag who deserves more than the slap on the wrist he got. So, through his own actions he blew his ride and chances at Olympic stardom. Hey, Brock, lesson learned. You status as an Olympic caliber athlete don't mean sh*t. I will not cry for you and your lost scholarship. Maybe, like Michael Vick, you'll get a second chance somewhere, but I doubt it. What a f**king idiot you are. And your father? WTF? Your son got a minimum of what he deserved. I would suggest a stint in the Marine Corps, but as a convicted felon they won't take him. How's your Spanish Brock? You're gonna need it down on the line at the Golden Arches!

And all you student-athelete parents who think your kids should get a free ride b/c they are "special." F*ck you too.

There are many people in this world who could be called sh**bag and worse, but let's not call someone a rapist, murderer, child molester, etc. unless that person actually is one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:wish people would stop calling it rape. it was sexual assault. rape charges were dropped.

would be interested to read examination and cross-examination of victim but unable to find. here is the complaint with statements by involved persons: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/1532973/complaint-brock-turner.pdf

California's laws only call it rape if there was penetration by a penis. In many states, any penetration of the body by another person's body part is rape. It technically wasn't rape in California. It would technically be rape if it had occurred in another state. Forcible penetration qualifies as rape for most people.

Why is this issue so important to you? You've posted many times "but it wasn't rape" as if that makes what he did more palatable or excusable or defensible.

He's a sex offender and a predator. The legal technicalities of what can and can't be charged against him are just that -- legal technicalities.

Leave it to California...

[Anonymous]

Joining the thread late, but to those who are defending BAT would you have sexual contact (with your penis inside the body or your fingers inside the vagina/anus) with your wife if she was passed out?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

What part is false? Did she not drink herself black out drunk? Did he not drink heavily himself? Did he not come on to women at the party? Did Emily Doe not kiss and leave the party with him?

I think it's more likely that the sexual activity was consensual on her part than it is that she left the party to have him walk her home or help her hail a cab or...whatever "logical" explanation you might be able to think of for her leaving the party with this guy.

Just because she did A LOT of things wrong herself does not excuse what this guy did to her. He was wrong and he was convicted for his wrongdoing. But Emily Doe is responsible for hurting herself too - because blacking out on a public street by a dumpster and not knowing what happened to yourself or how you got there because you drank yourself passed out is absolutely HURTING YOURSELF.

This is entirely your speculation. And even if it were: once she was unconscious and he continued, it was sexual assault. Although if we're speculating, I'd go ahead an say he raped her, but they couldn't prove it. Since we're speculating.

Also since we're speculating, one has to wonder why so many posters are defending rape. It's creepy.

And it is way creepy of you to keep insisting that this guy must have raped this woman and that he somehow magically transported her drunken self to that dumpster area. Because he was not convicted of rape or kidnapping. And she was seen kissing the guy and leaving with him willingly. What exactly do you think that she was planning to do with him? It was a college hook up, they left together willingly to go fool around, she passed out, he kept on sexually engaging with her body - and now he's in jail. No one is saying that what he did was right or excusable. No one. There are no "apologists" on this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What part is false? Did she not drink herself black out drunk? Did he not drink heavily himself? Did he not come on to women at the party? Did Emily Doe not kiss and leave the party with him?

I think it's more likely that the sexual activity was consensual on her part than it is that she left the party to have him walk her home or help her hail a cab or...whatever "logical" explanation you might be able to think of for her leaving the party with this guy.

Just because she did A LOT of things wrong herself does not excuse what this guy did to her. He was wrong and he was convicted for his wrongdoing. But Emily Doe is responsible for hurting herself too - because blacking out on a public street by a dumpster and not knowing what happened to yourself or how you got there because you drank yourself passed out is absolutely HURTING YOURSELF.

This is entirely your speculation. And even if it were: once she was unconscious and he continued, it was sexual assault. Although if we're speculating, I'd go ahead an say he raped her, but they couldn't prove it. Since we're speculating.

Also since we're speculating, one has to wonder why so many posters are defending rape. It's creepy.

And it is way creepy of you to keep insisting that this guy must have raped this woman and that he somehow magically transported her drunken self to that dumpster area. Because he was not convicted of rape or kidnapping. And she was seen kissing the guy and leaving with him willingly. What exactly do you think that she was planning to do with him? It was a college hook up, they left together willingly to go fool around, she passed out, he kept on sexually engaging with her body - and now he's in jail. No one is saying that what he did was right or excusable. No one. There are no "apologists" on this thread.

OK, weirdo rape-apologist pedant.

What he did arises to the level of "rape" in many other jurisdictions in this country. He's still a no-good, entitled, shitbag RAPIST.

And boo-fucking-hoo if he has to live with that label.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What part is false? Did she not drink herself black out drunk? Did he not drink heavily himself? Did he not come on to women at the party? Did Emily Doe not kiss and leave the party with him?

I think it's more likely that the sexual activity was consensual on her part than it is that she left the party to have him walk her home or help her hail a cab or...whatever "logical" explanation you might be able to think of for her leaving the party with this guy.

Just because she did A LOT of things wrong herself does not excuse what this guy did to her. He was wrong and he was convicted for his wrongdoing. But Emily Doe is responsible for hurting herself too - because blacking out on a public street by a dumpster and not knowing what happened to yourself or how you got there because you drank yourself passed out is absolutely HURTING YOURSELF.

This is entirely your speculation. And even if it were: once she was unconscious and he continued, it was sexual assault. Although if we're speculating, I'd go ahead an say he raped her, but they couldn't prove it. Since we're speculating.

Also since we're speculating, one has to wonder why so many posters are defending rape. It's creepy.

And it is way creepy of you to keep insisting that this guy must have raped this woman and that he somehow magically transported her drunken self to that dumpster area. Because he was not convicted of rape or kidnapping. And she was seen kissing the guy and leaving with him willingly. What exactly do you think that she was planning to do with him? It was a college hook up, they left together willingly to go fool around, she passed out, he kept on sexually engaging with her body - and now he's in jail. No one is saying that what he did was right or excusable. No one. There are no "apologists" on this thread.

OK, weirdo rape-apologist pedant.

What he did arises to the level of "rape" in many other jurisdictions in this country. He's still a no-good, entitled, shitbag RAPIST.

And boo-fucking-hoo if he has to live with that label.

Distorting the facts do not make your argument credible. The fingering may have been consensual on her part for all we know. Maybe she passed out during the process of being fingered She can't tell you if it was or not because she doesn't remember. You can not convict or call him a rapist when the facts are this vague. You don't know what happened. Emily Doe doesn't know what happened. And the accused gets the benefit of the doubt unless proved otherwise. It wasn't proved otherwise. So you are out of line calling him a rapist. Distorting the facts only makes what he actually DID do look made up. Don't you get that? That does not help Emily Doe. That does not help victims of sex crimes.

From what I've read it sounds as thought the swedes came upon this guy dry humping her. That is what they were able to get him on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Joining the thread late, but to those who are defending BAT would you have sexual contact (with your penis inside the body or your fingers inside the vagina/anus) with your wife if she was passed out?

timing is everything. If I was fooling around with my wife, and during the fingering she passed out, it might take me more than a few minutes for my drunken brain to realize that if I was fingering away.