That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

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Anonymous wrote:My post reads angrily to you? Hmm. I've never been raped, and I don't drink. I take normal safety precautions. My irritation is that on every fucking one of these threads, it's "women need to watch themselves and their behavior," every time. Every time. It's tired. It's not the issue. The issue is that women - old, young, sober, shitfaced, virgin, prostitute are raped, every day. And somehow the story always circles back to what they did or didn't do to cause it or prevent it.

NP here: I feel you, PP. Every fucking time.

This, plus a million. Every damn time a story like this hits the press, I can predict that the conversation is almost immediately going to turn to the woman and what she did wrong. Every damn time. Just once, I'd like to have a conversation about rape in which no one feels like the most important thing they can contribute is scolding the victim for her supposed mistakes.

The Vanderbilt case, which had very different facts and was a very different crime -- you will see no discussion of the woman's actions or inactions. So not every time, just most of the time.

I am white and very rarely bring up race but if Brock were an African American the jail term and discussion would be very different. I am 100% certain of that.

[Anonymous]

Hate to say this, but it doesn't seem like rape to me either. It seems like it was a party hook-up by two drunken idiots that went off the rails. He fingered her according to him, with her consent. There was no PIV.

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Another major problem that this case should highlight is admissions standards for athletes. Brock's statement was so poorly written it's hard to believe he is a college student, much less at a top university. I was a swimmer so I know how he got there but it's a disgrace. Maybe he is smarter than he came across but if not he has no business being at the school.

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Anonymous wrote:Brock raped her! The jury of his peers returned a guilty verdict. He is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Should be in jail where some guy name Rufus will take care of his lily white little ass.

He didn't rape anyone. Two drunk people making out behind a dumpster--that's all there's to it. She passed out and his life is ruined. And she is not traumatized by spending time with him but rather by everything that happened afterwards: police, hospital, rape kit, questioning, exposing that she cheated on her boyfriend with a teenager several years her junior etc. So the swedes created good intentions and road to hell type of situation. Ruining his life over this nonsense is totally ridiculous.

You are a rape apologist and your perspective is a part of the problem. Stop. It. Now. But more than anything I hope you aren't sharing your pro rape views with young people. She was so obviously unconscious that two people on bikes noticed how wrong this was just passing by. They ran after him, tackled him and seeing the attack upset them. Either you are a woman who is very afraid, a woman who is a survivor, and I'm sorry if that's true, or more likely a man- who has no idea what he's talking about.

No you stop with the whole "rapist" hysteria. They were grabbing each other at the party, they went together outside, she blacked out, he didn't. Really, that's it. Btw, her letter sounds totally fake. Things like "I thought he was going to settle" or "maybe one day you can pay me back for my ambulance ride and the therapy" make her look like a slut who wants money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hate to say this, but it doesn't seem like rape to me either. It seems like it was a party hook-up by two drunken idiots that went off the rails. He fingered her according to him, with her consent. There was no PIV.

Then why did he run? And he certainly noticed she wasn't conscious since the swedes riding by on their bike noticed. Also why not go to a dorm room? I think she passed out while they were walking so he carried her behind the dumpster and raped her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hate to say this, but it doesn't seem like rape to me either. It seems like it was a party hook-up by two drunken idiots that went off the rails. He fingered her according to him, with her consent. There was no PIV.

Thanks for you uninformed opinion. I could be wrong but it seems to me you didn't read anything about this case. Please show me I'm wrong by posting a link to a story that reflects that she gave consent and was conscious (she would have to be conscious to give consent).


I am starting to agree with others. There are maybe one or two rape apologist trolls.

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Anonymous wrote:Hate to say this, but it doesn't seem like rape to me either. It seems like it was a party hook-up by two drunken idiots that went off the rails. He fingered her according to him, with her consent. There was no PIV.

Then why did he run? And he certainly noticed she wasn't conscious since the swedes riding by on their bike noticed. Also why not go to a dorm room? I think she passed out while they were walking so he carried her behind the dumpster and raped her.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brock raped her! The jury of his peers returned a guilty verdict. He is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Should be in jail where some guy name Rufus will take care of his lily white little ass.

He didn't rape anyone. Two drunk people making out behind a dumpster--that's all there's to it. She passed out and his life is ruined. And she is not traumatized by spending time with him but rather by everything that happened afterwards: police, hospital, rape kit, questioning, exposing that she cheated on her boyfriend with a teenager several years her junior etc. So the swedes created good intentions and road to hell type of situation. Ruining his life over this nonsense is totally ridiculous.

You are a rape apologist and your perspective is a part of the problem. Stop. It. Now. But more than anything I hope you aren't sharing your pro rape views with young people. She was so obviously unconscious that two people on bikes noticed how wrong this was just passing by. They ran after him, tackled him and seeing the attack upset them. Either you are a woman who is very afraid, a woman who is a survivor, and I'm sorry if that's true, or more likely a man- who has no idea what he's talking about.

No you stop with the whole "rapist" hysteria. They were grabbing each other at the party, they went together outside, she blacked out, he didn't. Really, that's it. Btw, her letter sounds totally fake. Things like "I thought he was going to settle" or "maybe one day you can pay me back for my ambulance ride and the therapy" make her look like a slut who wants money.

Troll.

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really doesn't seem like rape to me either. Read the facts of the case, not the silly internet hysteria.

i'm the poster who provided link to complaint and associated docs. haven't been able to find more ie court transcripts. do you know where one can find further docs, save for requesting from the court?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brock raped her! The jury of his peers returned a guilty verdict. He is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Should be in jail where some guy name Rufus will take care of his lily white little ass.

He didn't rape anyone. Two drunk people making out behind a dumpster--that's all there's to it. She passed out and his life is ruined. And she is not traumatized by spending time with him but rather by everything that happened afterwards: police, hospital, rape kit, questioning, exposing that she cheated on her boyfriend with a teenager several years her junior etc. So the swedes created good intentions and road to hell type of situation. Ruining his life over this nonsense is totally ridiculous.

You are a rape apologist and your perspective is a part of the problem. Stop. It. Now. But more than anything I hope you aren't sharing your pro rape views with young people. She was so obviously unconscious that two people on bikes noticed how wrong this was just passing by. They ran after him, tackled him and seeing the attack upset them. Either you are a woman who is very afraid, a woman who is a survivor, and I'm sorry if that's true, or more likely a man- who has no idea what he's talking about.

No you stop with the whole "rapist" hysteria. They were grabbing each other at the party, they went together outside, she blacked out, he didn't. Really, that's it. Btw, her letter sounds totally fake. Things like "I thought he was going to settle" or "maybe one day you can pay me back for my ambulance ride and the therapy" make her look like a slut who wants money.

Troll.

Not a troll but someone who believes that she is no less guilty than he is. Why is he the only one paying the price for both of them being dumb? She is paying the price for something that has nothing to do with him but rather the system she has been put through. Let's face it: she was going to pass out regardless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brock raped her! The jury of his peers returned a guilty verdict. He is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Should be in jail where some guy name Rufus will take care of his lily white little ass.

He didn't rape anyone. Two drunk people making out behind a dumpster--that's all there's to it. She passed out and his life is ruined. And she is not traumatized by spending time with him but rather by everything that happened afterwards: police, hospital, rape kit, questioning, exposing that she cheated on her boyfriend with a teenager several years her junior etc. So the swedes created good intentions and road to hell type of situation. Ruining his life over this nonsense is totally ridiculous.

You are a rape apologist and your perspective is a part of the problem. Stop. It. Now. But more than anything I hope you aren't sharing your pro rape views with young people. She was so obviously unconscious that two people on bikes noticed how wrong this was just passing by. They ran after him, tackled him and seeing the attack upset them. Either you are a woman who is very afraid, a woman who is a survivor, and I'm sorry if that's true, or more likely a man- who has no idea what he's talking about.

No you stop with the whole "rapist" hysteria. They were grabbing each other at the party, they went together outside, she blacked out, he didn't. Really, that's it. Btw, her letter sounds totally fake. Things like "I thought he was going to settle" or "maybe one day you can pay me back for my ambulance ride and the therapy" make her look like a slut who wants money.

I'll say upfront, I have not read in detail about this case. But some people here are pretty certain there was consent right up until the time she passed out. I'm interested in seeing where they got this information.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hate to say this, but it doesn't seem like rape to me either. It seems like it was a party hook-up by two drunken idiots that went off the rails. He fingered her according to him, with her consent. There was no PIV.

Then why did he run? And he certainly noticed she wasn't conscious since the swedes riding by on their bike noticed. Also why not go to a dorm room? I think she passed out while they were walking so he carried her behind the dumpster and raped her.

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He and Emily Doe were kissing at the party and they left together. They likely went behind the dumpster not realizing that they were still in plain view. They fooled around, she passed out and he kept sexually engaging with her (disgusting).

When the swedes saw him dry humping a passed out woman, they yelled at him "What are you doing to her!?! Stop!!". He got off her and started to run. They chased and tackled him.

If the swedes hadn't shown up on the scene he would have likely finished what he was doing and left her behind that dumpster. She would have woke up a couple of hours later, half naked, feeling like crap and wondering wth had happened and realizing - oh crap, anyone driving by could see me laying here by this dumpster!

Neither one of these two young adults treated each other (or themselves!) with any respect or decency. She was a grown woman with a serious boyfriend who got black out drunk and opted to kiss and leave a party with an underage 19 year old college guy. She wound up passed out cold behind a dumpster. He got drunk beyond reason and wound up sexually assaulting this passed out woman.

They both made extremely poor and unfortunate choices that night. I'll bet that neither one of them would have behaved that way sober. It is a shame all around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My post reads angrily to you? Hmm. I've never been raped, and I don't drink. I take normal safety precautions. My irritation is that on every fucking one of these threads, it's "women need to watch themselves and their behavior," every time. Every time. It's tired. It's not the issue. The issue is that women - old, young, sober, shitfaced, virgin, prostitute are raped, every day. And somehow the story always circles back to what they did or didn't do to cause it or prevent it.

NP here: I feel you, PP. Every fucking time.

This, plus a million. Every damn time a story like this hits the press, I can predict that the conversation is almost immediately going to turn to the woman and what she did wrong. Every damn time. Just once, I'd like to have a conversation about rape in which no one feels like the most important thing they can contribute is scolding the victim for her supposed mistakes.

The Vanderbilt case, which had very different facts and was a very different crime -- you will see no discussion of the woman's actions or inactions. So not every time, just most of the time.

I am white and very rarely bring up race but if Brock were an African American the jail term and discussion would be very different. I am 100% certain of that.

Would a poor or average middle class white guy be judged the same as brock whose dad seems to have connections?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brock raped her! The jury of his peers returned a guilty verdict. He is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Should be in jail where some guy name Rufus will take care of his lily white little ass.

He didn't rape anyone. Two drunk people making out behind a dumpster--that's all there's to it. She passed out and his life is ruined. And she is not traumatized by spending time with him but rather by everything that happened afterwards: police, hospital, rape kit, questioning, exposing that she cheated on her boyfriend with a teenager several years her junior etc. So the swedes created good intentions and road to hell type of situation. Ruining his life over this nonsense is totally ridiculous.

You are a rape apologist and your perspective is a part of the problem. Stop. It. Now. But more than anything I hope you aren't sharing your pro rape views with young people. She was so obviously unconscious that two people on bikes noticed how wrong this was just passing by. They ran after him, tackled him and seeing the attack upset them. Either you are a woman who is very afraid, a woman who is a survivor, and I'm sorry if that's true, or more likely a man- who has no idea what he's talking about.

No you stop with the whole "rapist" hysteria. They were grabbing each other at the party, they went together outside, she blacked out, he didn't. Really, that's it. Btw, her letter sounds totally fake. Things like "I thought he was going to settle" or "maybe one day you can pay me back for my ambulance ride and the therapy" make her look like a slut who wants money.

I'll say upfront, I have not read in detail about this case. But some people here are pretty certain there was consent right up until the time she passed out. I'm interested in seeing where they got this information.

We know there was consensual kissing between the two of them and we know that she left the party with him and we also know that he was obviously coming on to other women at the party (it was obvious what he wanted, he wasn't hiding what he wanted). That sort of sets the stage for some consensual sexual activity as opposed to him out of the blue jumping her and raping her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hate to say this, but it doesn't seem like rape to me either. It seems like it was a party hook-up by two drunken idiots that went off the rails. He fingered her according to him, with her consent. There was no PIV.

Then why did he run? And he certainly noticed she wasn't conscious since the swedes riding by on their bike noticed. Also why not go to a dorm room? I think she passed out while they were walking so he carried her behind the dumpster and raped her.

+1

He and Emily Doe were kissing at the party and they left together. They likely went behind the dumpster not realizing that they were still in plain view. They fooled around, she passed out and he kept sexually engaging with her (disgusting).

When the swedes saw him dry humping a passed out woman, they yelled at him "What are you doing to her!?! Stop!!". He got off her and started to run. They chased and tackled him.

If the swedes hadn't shown up on the scene he would have likely finished what he was doing and left her behind that dumpster. She would have woke up a couple of hours later, half naked, feeling like crap and wondering wth had happened and realizing - oh crap, anyone driving by could see me laying here by this dumpster!

Neither one of these two young adults treated each other (or themselves!) with any respect or decency. She was a grown woman with a serious boyfriend who got black out drunk and opted to kiss and leave a party with an underage 19 year old college guy. She wound up passed out cold behind a dumpster. He got drunk beyond reason and wound up sexually assaulting this passed out woman.

They both made extremely poor and unfortunate choices that night. I'll bet that neither one of them would have behaved that way sober. It is a shame all around.

Very true. As women we need to protect ourselves. Getting black out drunk at a frat party is as much dangerous for a woman as it is for a man.