Lebanon / Israel

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Anonymous wrote:I care about foreign policy, but I am honestly so exhausted by the Middle East issue that I'm that Ken Watanabe Let Them Fight meme.

I feel bad for the normal, regular Israeli and Lebanese people just trying to live their lives.

The Lebanese Christians want nothing more than Hezbollah to be eradicated. Terrorists have effectively taken over the country. It is very sad, but Hezbollah terrorists are not stepping down until Israel is erased from the map, and they have deep pockets thanks to Iran.

The Lebanese Christians appreciate Hezbollah for destroying ISIS. Hezbollah are not bombing churches or killing Christians. ISIS and Israel have.

If they had to pick their poison, Hezbollah is 100x better than Israeli settler or ISIS in Southern Lebanon. Hezbollah is from a minority religious sect (Shia) that’s smaller than Christianity or Druze in Lebanon. The prime minister and president of Lebanon always flips between Christian and Muslim without issue and Hezbollah has not shown any designs on changing
That or remaining anything other than the unofficial Lebanese military.

Lebanon is a very tiny country about the size of Rhode Island and has an almost non existent military but war all around them. What Hezbollah does is erase the need for Lebanon to have a mandatory military draft, and that’s something Lebanese people appreciate

Umm … they got 19% of the vote in the 2022 election.

But sure. Most Lebanese people appreciate them.

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There is only one group of good guys: the sovereign nation of Israel; the Jewish state.

Opposing them are only terrorists:

- Hamas: a designated terrorist organization
- Hezbollah, also a designated terrorist organization.

This could not be a more stark contrast. I support Israel.

Terrorists? They should be wiped out.

Casualties of war/civilians/women/children be damned right??

Yeah because Hezbollah and Hamas never kill innocent people.

Hezbollah could have been the name of a nightclub in Beirut, a kindergarten, a supermarket , or a rural village and it wouldn’t have mattered. Lebanese people are not dumb enough to believe Israel’s claim that they want to only kill Hezbollah. They want to kill Lebanese.

Admit it’s a military and racial superiority complex like Hitler had

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Israel is racist and deceptive and everyone there knows it

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Hitler’s brain child is Israel

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Record flights out of Beirut.

Israel wants to clear out Lebanon so they can take over but it will fail. If they can’t take over Gaza, they’re delusional if they think they can win Lebanon

[Anonymous]

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There is only one group of good guys: the sovereign nation of Israel; the Jewish state.

Opposing them are only terrorists:

- Hamas: a designated terrorist organization
- Hezbollah, also a designated terrorist organization.

This could not be a more stark contrast. I support Israel.

Terrorists? They should be wiped out.

Casualties of war/civilians/women/children be damned right??

Yeah because Hezbollah and Hamas never kill innocent people.

I didn't say that but two wrongs do not make a right.

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Anonymous wrote:The number of people who take a terrorist group at their word is unbelievable.

“But Hezbollah promised they’d stop! Why won’t you just believe them?!”

Americans have the luxury of naïveté. We are insulated by two oceans and friendly neighbors. People would think very differently if we shared multiple land borders with a population full of Muslim extremists who sympathize with the 9/11 attackers.

No, American naïveté comes from thinking 9/11 happened in a vacuum and they “hated us for ar’ freedom” rather than generations of belligerent US foreign policy leading to it. You’re the one who’s naïve. What year is it that you still think you can sell the BS you just wrote?

No, American naïveté is from not understanding that people like you support terrorism in order to achieve your policy aims. But hey, it’s all good since we’ll be greeted with virgins in eternal paradise, right?

Wait... you're going with like every cartoonish stereotype to then claim I support terrorism? What an unserious person you are. So you think me simply explaining why 9/11 actually happened, NOT defend it, I'm supporting what happened? Is that what you're reduced to at this point? Just thinking that if people don't go along with the propaganda surrounding why it happened and going along with your bigoted tropes, it's a defense of it? Should I buy freedom fries for you to prove my patriotism? Put a big ol' yellow ribbon on a gas guzzler for freedom...oh and "support the troops" because that's what the war was REALLY about.

Invading the homes of civilians and kidnapping and murdering them is terrorism.

I understand that you like to call it decolonization in order to appeal to gullible college students.

And Lebanon and Hezbollah didn’t do any of that.

Hamas did. Israel is not serious about ending Hamas, their proxy to keep King Netanyahu and Likud in power in perpetuity

Hezbollah has been sending missiles to hit Israeli civilian population centers nonstop from 10/8.

Israel killed over 500 Lebanese this year before these recent events. This is actually low in terms of yearly kills by Israel in Lebanon. Hezbollah actually was created to fight Israel the last time they invaded and occupied Lebanon.

This is a total fabrication. Like completely made up. Do better.

DP but it’s not a fabrication. 1,247 people in Lebanon have died since 10/7. They had nothing to do with 10/7. Not even Hezbollah had anything to do with it and Israel knows that. Haifa was not under attack on 10/7. Now it is.

The attack came to Southern Israel from the South (Gaza) not the West Bank or Lebanon.

It would make more sense if Israel attacked Egypt the way it has Lebanon or at least checked the Sinai for tunnels as obviously Hamas shares a land border and has tunnels into Egypt. They don’t share a border with Lebanon. By having two completely separated fronts plus the West Bank, Israel is hurting their army and their country and helping Hamas who hasn’t been killed at all despite what they say. Hamas is actually growing in recruits of young males age 16+ much faster than the Israeli army is growing in recruits. That’s really bad

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Anonymous wrote:The number of people who take a terrorist group at their word is unbelievable.

“But Hezbollah promised they’d stop! Why won’t you just believe them?!”

Americans have the luxury of naïveté. We are insulated by two oceans and friendly neighbors. People would think very differently if we shared multiple land borders with a population full of Muslim extremists who sympathize with the 9/11 attackers.

No, American naïveté comes from thinking 9/11 happened in a vacuum and they “hated us for ar’ freedom” rather than generations of belligerent US foreign policy leading to it. You’re the one who’s naïve. What year is it that you still think you can sell the BS you just wrote?

No, American naïveté is from not understanding that people like you support terrorism in order to achieve your policy aims. But hey, it’s all good since we’ll be greeted with virgins in eternal paradise, right?

Wait... you're going with like every cartoonish stereotype to then claim I support terrorism? What an unserious person you are. So you think me simply explaining why 9/11 actually happened, NOT defend it, I'm supporting what happened? Is that what you're reduced to at this point? Just thinking that if people don't go along with the propaganda surrounding why it happened and going along with your bigoted tropes, it's a defense of it? Should I buy freedom fries for you to prove my patriotism? Put a big ol' yellow ribbon on a gas guzzler for freedom...oh and "support the troops" because that's what the war was REALLY about.

Invading the homes of civilians and kidnapping and murdering them is terrorism.

I understand that you like to call it decolonization in order to appeal to gullible college students.

And Lebanon and Hezbollah didn’t do any of that.

Hamas did. Israel is not serious about ending Hamas, their proxy to keep King Netanyahu and Likud in power in perpetuity

Hezbollah has been sending missiles to hit Israeli civilian population centers nonstop from 10/8.

Israel killed over 500 Lebanese this year before these recent events. This is actually low in terms of yearly kills by Israel in Lebanon. Hezbollah actually was created to fight Israel the last time they invaded and occupied Lebanon.

This is a total fabrication. Like completely made up. Do better.

Why do you persist with your Israeli propaganda? Do you really not know how many people Israel kills in neighbors countries? Maybe we should make Israeli bury the people they kill. So people like you can not deny it never happened.

These numbers are easily found. Israel reported in March of this year 4,500 strikes in Lebanon killing 250 and wounding 1,278. Included in that number were UN observers and doctors. Israel is a pariah state.

Source? Citation?

Israel’s 72 hour ground invasion of Lebanon launched and stopped in early October. It stopped because Israelis were angry and the army was even confused as to why they were being sent to Lebanon instead of Gaza to send the hostages. Anything for Netanyahu to buy time so his buddies Hamas can hide the hostages and run for cover. He was stalling.

Netanyahu has zero interest in ever destroying Hamas and it’s time for Israel to finally realize that. He’s a con artist who used Hamas to rise to the top of the political food chain and destroy the left/opposition and vice versa. They are twin flames and always had a symbiotic relationship

[Anonymous]

Sounds like Israel is planning a ground invasion. We need to cut them off.

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Hamas and Netanyahu will both fall together. One can’t fall without the other

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I care about foreign policy, but I am honestly so exhausted by the Middle East issue that I'm that Ken Watanabe Let Them Fight meme.

I feel bad for the normal, regular Israeli and Lebanese people just trying to live their lives.

The Lebanese Christians want nothing more than Hezbollah to be eradicated. Terrorists have effectively taken over the country. It is very sad, but Hezbollah terrorists are not stepping down until Israel is erased from the map, and they have deep pockets thanks to Iran.

People said west bankers hate Gazans, neighboring Arabs hate Palestinians, Lebanese Christian’s hate the Lebanese Muslims or hezbollah or even that Muslims hate Jews. None of this is true and if you’re perpetuating these myths I don’t think you actually know people from these groups. Sure, refugees and people in need are shunned around the world but by and large these groups are sympathetic to each other. They interact and relate to pain, struggle, and loss. I suppose drawing lines of division and making fun of the weakest is more fun. Nobody in the region is normal and regular anymore. There is fear, resentment, and trauma, stoked by impunity and propaganda.

People in the Middle East region in particular the Levant and Egypt have existed with multi faith, ethnic , and class markers without problem Something unfamiliar to the Askhenazis and the commies who came
There battle ready,
Soviet trained, and angry and ready to sow divisions.

The people there don’t even think being armed to the teeth or one religion taking an entire neighborhood because “God said so” is something normal and Jews were laughed and these Soviets were laughed at by other Middle eastern Jews. it wasn’t the way things were done but alas here we are with Euro sectarianism, religious nativism, and hyper militarism exported to the traditionally
Multi class and multi faith Levant

[Anonymous]

They just wonder why they are paying for what Germany and Poland did

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I care about foreign policy, but I am honestly so exhausted by the Middle East issue that I'm that Ken Watanabe Let Them Fight meme.

I feel bad for the normal, regular Israeli and Lebanese people just trying to live their lives.

The Lebanese Christians want nothing more than Hezbollah to be eradicated. Terrorists have effectively taken over the country. It is very sad, but Hezbollah terrorists are not stepping down until Israel is erased from the map, and they have deep pockets thanks to Iran.

People said west bankers hate Gazans, neighboring Arabs hate Palestinians, Lebanese Christian’s hate the Lebanese Muslims or hezbollah or even that Muslims hate Jews. None of this is true and if you’re perpetuating these myths I don’t think you actually know people from these groups. Sure, refugees and people in need are shunned around the world but by and large these groups are sympathetic to each other. They interact and relate to pain, struggle, and loss. I suppose drawing lines of division and making fun of the weakest is more fun. Nobody in the region is normal and regular anymore. There is fear, resentment, and trauma, stoked by impunity and propaganda.

People in the Middle East region in particular the Levant and Egypt have existed with multi faith, ethnic , and class markers without problem Something unfamiliar to the Askhenazis and the commies who came
There battle ready,
Soviet trained, and angry and ready to sow divisions.

The people there don’t even think being armed to the teeth or one religion taking an entire neighborhood because “God said so” is something normal and Jews were laughed and these Soviets were laughed at by other Middle eastern Jews. it wasn’t the way things were done but alas here we are with Euro sectarianism, religious nativism, and hyper militarism exported to the traditionally
Multi class and multi faith Levant

Your gibberish is laughable.

The Middle East has been the site of countless religiously motivated wars, going back to the Romans and prior.

Your hatred for Ashkenazi Jews—many of whom didn’t even live in the Soviet Union—is disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s suppose that there was an impartial poll, whose side would majority of Americans be on?
Israel or Lebanon?

If they’re over 35, Israel

Yeah, pretty much.

Anyone trying to "explain" 9/11 and why Americans had it coming obviously wasn't a sentient human being in 2001.

I also think progressives over the past 20 years have been trying to frame everything into a racism/colonialism narrative. Whereas those who were alive in the 80s/90s and obviously older have a much more complicated and nuanced take on contemporary events.

They'd know, for instance, that most Lebanese despise Hezbollah. That Hezbollah is a militant Shi'a organization that exists to advance the interests of Iran. And that most Lebanese are either Sunni or Maronite Christian.

TBH, I think most Lebanese would be a-ok with the destruction of Hezbollah.

The original ask - "whose side would majority Americans be on? Israel or Lebanon? - just betrays a profound level of ignorance and awareness of the dynamics of the region. 99 percent of Sunni Arabs would be for the destruction of Hezbollah. A lot of Shi'a too. And definitely Maronite Christians.

And that's within Lebanon.

The entire premise of the question is wrong.

But the answer is Israel. The US will support Israel. Everyone hates Netanyahu - even the Israelis. But if you think Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Israel, US, UAE, and Kuwait are simply going to cede the region to Iran - not happening.

To Lebanese people, Hezbollah and Israel may as well be the same entity.

Yeah, pretty much.

And then 10/7 happened, and I was like, yeah, done with the false equivalency.

Destroy these animals.

A year on - 0h goodie, Hezbollah is losing their dicks because their terrorism pagers are blowing up. And then a day later - the walkie-talkies.

Say what you will about Mossad - it's effective.

Only animals kill without thinking and look for prey and war as a primal survival instinct

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I care about foreign policy, but I am honestly so exhausted by the Middle East issue that I'm that Ken Watanabe Let Them Fight meme.

I feel bad for the normal, regular Israeli and Lebanese people just trying to live their lives.

The Lebanese Christians want nothing more than Hezbollah to be eradicated. Terrorists have effectively taken over the country. It is very sad, but Hezbollah terrorists are not stepping down until Israel is erased from the map, and they have deep pockets thanks to Iran.

People said west bankers hate Gazans, neighboring Arabs hate Palestinians, Lebanese Christian’s hate the Lebanese Muslims or hezbollah or even that Muslims hate Jews. None of this is true and if you’re perpetuating these myths I don’t think you actually know people from these groups. Sure, refugees and people in need are shunned around the world but by and large these groups are sympathetic to each other. They interact and relate to pain, struggle, and loss. I suppose drawing lines of division and making fun of the weakest is more fun. Nobody in the region is normal and regular anymore. There is fear, resentment, and trauma, stoked by impunity and propaganda.

People in the Middle East region in particular the Levant and Egypt have existed with multi faith, ethnic , and class markers without problem Something unfamiliar to the Askhenazis and the commies who came
There battle ready,
Soviet trained, and angry and ready to sow divisions.

The people there don’t even think being armed to the teeth or one religion taking an entire neighborhood because “God said so” is something normal and Jews were laughed and these Soviets were laughed at by other Middle eastern Jews. it wasn’t the way things were done but alas here we are with Euro sectarianism, religious nativism, and hyper militarism exported to the traditionally
Multi class and multi faith Levant

Your gibberish is laughable.

The Middle East has been the site of countless religiously motivated wars, going back to the Romans and prior.

Your hatred for Ashkenazi Jews—many of whom didn’t even live in the Soviet Union—is disgusting.

Going back to the Romans? We are not talking about the Crusades sweetheart. The crusades were not Arab Christian vs Arab Muslim. It was euro Christian vs Arab Muslim, Christian, and Jew.

There would probably be no Jews living today if it weren’t for the Middle East’s sanity compared to Europe. It was always the Jewish hotel. There for the stay because you didn’t have a home