Why don't you believe in God?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The idea of God simply doesn't resonate with me--and it never has, for whatever reason.

The thing I particularly can't wrap my brain around is why anyone would choose to worship a God who would choose to cause so much suffering to those who very clearly have done nothing wrong. If there is someone up there deciding that a baby should die after living only days, for example, then I think he's not worthy of my adulation.

I also think the idea of God was created to make people feel better. It's really sucky to think a baby would die for no reason, or that when your husband dies you'll never see him again. Humans are designed to find meaning in things. Hence, God.

By who or what?

evolution

This is the PP you are replying to. To me, evolution IS the design, not the designer. It's like saying the assembly line designed products to be like such and such. Someone designed the assembly line for inputs to go in and products to come out of it the way their design intended.

So your saying a naturally occurring process is not naturally occurring? Seems like mutually exclusive ideas.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea of God simply doesn't resonate with me--and it never has, for whatever reason.

The thing I particularly can't wrap my brain around is why anyone would choose to worship a God who would choose to cause so much suffering to those who very clearly have done nothing wrong. If there is someone up there deciding that a baby should die after living only days, for example, then I think he's not worthy of my adulation.

I also think the idea of God was created to make people feel better. It's really sucky to think a baby would die for no reason, or that when your husband dies you'll never see him again. Humans are designed to find meaning in things. Hence, God.

By who or what?

evolution

This is the PP you are replying to. To me, evolution IS the design, not the designer. It's like saying the assembly line designed products to be like such and such. Someone designed the assembly line for inputs to go in and products to come out of it the way their design intended.

Where did the designer come from? How did that designer come into existence?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's dumb; I just don't believe. To me, it's akin to believing in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy. I haven't "wrestled with it" and it doesn't bother me. It also doesn't bother me if others believe. To each their own.

+1. I am too intelligent to believe in things that require you to suspend your ability to think for yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea of God simply doesn't resonate with me--and it never has, for whatever reason.

The thing I particularly can't wrap my brain around is why anyone would choose to worship a God who would choose to cause so much suffering to those who very clearly have done nothing wrong. If there is someone up there deciding that a baby should die after living only days, for example, then I think he's not worthy of my adulation.

I also think the idea of God was created to make people feel better. It's really sucky to think a baby would die for no reason, or that when your husband dies you'll never see him again. Humans are designed to find meaning in things. Hence, God.

By who or what?

evolution

This is the PP you are replying to. To me, evolution IS the design, not the designer. It's like saying the assembly line designed products to be like such and such. Someone designed the assembly line for inputs to go in and products to come out of it the way their design intended.

NP evolution is about adapting to surroundings. Human brains developed words and storytelling as a means for greater chances of survival and community forming.
The way that human brains evolved cannot be compared to products in an assembly line.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea of God simply doesn't resonate with me--and it never has, for whatever reason.

The thing I particularly can't wrap my brain around is why anyone would choose to worship a God who would choose to cause so much suffering to those who very clearly have done nothing wrong. If there is someone up there deciding that a baby should die after living only days, for example, then I think he's not worthy of my adulation.

I also think the idea of God was created to make people feel better. It's really sucky to think a baby would die for no reason, or that when your husband dies you'll never see him again. Humans are designed to find meaning in things. Hence, God.

By who or what?

evolution

This is the PP you are replying to. To me, evolution IS the design, not the designer. It's like saying the assembly line designed products to be like such and such. Someone designed the assembly line for inputs to go in and products to come out of it the way their design intended.

Where did the designer come from? How did that designer come into existence?

Must be God, right? Was, is and always will be. /S

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea of God simply doesn't resonate with me--and it never has, for whatever reason.

The thing I particularly can't wrap my brain around is why anyone would choose to worship a God who would choose to cause so much suffering to those who very clearly have done nothing wrong. If there is someone up there deciding that a baby should die after living only days, for example, then I think he's not worthy of my adulation.

I also think the idea of God was created to make people feel better. It's really sucky to think a baby would die for no reason, or that when your husband dies you'll never see him again. Humans are designed to find meaning in things. Hence, God.

By who or what?

evolution

This is the PP you are replying to. To me, evolution IS the design, not the designer. It's like saying the assembly line designed products to be like such and such. Someone designed the assembly line for inputs to go in and products to come out of it the way their design intended.

Where did the designer come from? How did that designer come into existence?

Must be God, right? Was, is and always will be. /S

I think the individual posts at the beginning of this thread are more interesting than this recent back and forth.

[Anonymous]

God cannot be omnipotent if humans have free will. Watching religious people try to explain away that contradiction is a good way to see how ridiculous religion is. That, plus what type of God would allow the Kardashians to be more powerful/wealthy than Greta?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:God cannot be omnipotent if humans have free will. Watching religious people try to explain away that contradiction is a good way to see how ridiculous religion is. That, plus what type of God would allow the Kardashians to be more powerful/wealthy than Greta?

NP. Don’t know who Greta is. But a wise god wouldn’t create worshipful robots. A wise god would give his creations choice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:God cannot be omnipotent if humans have free will. Watching religious people try to explain away that contradiction is a good way to see how ridiculous religion is. That, plus what type of God would allow the Kardashians to be more powerful/wealthy than Greta?

NP. Don’t know who Greta is. But a wise god wouldn’t create worshipful robots. A wise god would give his creations choice.

DP here. Please read the thing you are replying to. PP is trying to show you the logical contradiction, that they can't have choice if God knows in advance what they will choose and creates them to make a bad choice anyway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's dumb; I just don't believe. To me, it's akin to believing in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy. I haven't "wrestled with it" and it doesn't bother me. It also doesn't bother me if others believe. To each their own.

+1. I am too intelligent to believe in things that require you to suspend your ability to think for yourself.

And in some religions, threaten you with eternal punishment and try to make your life on earth miserable if you stray from the religion's beliefs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:God cannot be omnipotent if humans have free will. Watching religious people try to explain away that contradiction is a good way to see how ridiculous religion is. That, plus what type of God would allow the Kardashians to be more powerful/wealthy than Greta?

NP. Don’t know who Greta is. But a wise god wouldn’t create worshipful robots. A wise god would give his creations choice.

DP here. Please read the thing you are replying to. PP is trying to show you the logical contradiction, that they can't have choice if God knows in advance what they will choose and creates them to make a bad choice anyway.

That’s not how free will works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:God cannot be omnipotent if humans have free will. Watching religious people try to explain away that contradiction is a good way to see how ridiculous religion is. That, plus what type of God would allow the Kardashians to be more powerful/wealthy than Greta?

NP. Don’t know who Greta is. But a wise god wouldn’t create worshipful robots. A wise god would give his creations choice.

DP here. Please read the thing you are replying to. PP is trying to show you the logical contradiction, that they can't have choice if God knows in advance what they will choose and creates them to make a bad choice anyway.

Calvinists believe in predestination. Presbyterians used to but not so much anymore. Islam does (inshallah). Don’t think Episcopalians or most other Christian faiths do. Not sure about Judaism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:God cannot be omnipotent if humans have free will. Watching religious people try to explain away that contradiction is a good way to see how ridiculous religion is. That, plus what type of God would allow the Kardashians to be more powerful/wealthy than Greta?

NP. Don’t know who Greta is. But a wise god wouldn’t create worshipful robots. A wise god would give his creations choice.

DP here. Please read the thing you are replying to. PP is trying to show you the logical contradiction, that they can't have choice if God knows in advance what they will choose and creates them to make a bad choice anyway.

Calvinists believe in predestination. Presbyterians used to but not so much anymore. Islam does (inshallah). Don’t think Episcopalians or most other Christian faiths do. Not sure about Judaism.

PS. Not many Calvinists around these days.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:God cannot be omnipotent if humans have free will. Watching religious people try to explain away that contradiction is a good way to see how ridiculous religion is. That, plus what type of God would allow the Kardashians to be more powerful/wealthy than Greta?

NP. Don’t know who Greta is. But a wise god wouldn’t create worshipful robots. A wise god would give his creations choice.

DP here. Please read the thing you are replying to. PP is trying to show you the logical contradiction, that they can't have choice if God knows in advance what they will choose and creates them to make a bad choice anyway.

That’s not how free will works.

No that's EXACTLY how free will works, it is not how omnipotence works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:God cannot be omnipotent if humans have free will. Watching religious people try to explain away that contradiction is a good way to see how ridiculous religion is. That, plus what type of God would allow the Kardashians to be more powerful/wealthy than Greta?

NP. Don’t know who Greta is. But a wise god wouldn’t create worshipful robots. A wise god would give his creations choice.

DP here. Please read the thing you are replying to. PP is trying to show you the logical contradiction, that they can't have choice if God knows in advance what they will choose and creates them to make a bad choice anyway.

That’s not how free will works.

No that's EXACTLY how free will works, it is not how omnipotence works.

Read or re-read the preceding posts on predestination. That’s a small minority of Christians. For everybody else, it’s choice.