Can I sue Callie Oettinger?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m sure you are used to insulting others to make yourself feel right and smart.

Yes, I am smart two. So are all the other licensed, qualified teachers who devote themselves to educating our future and your children. Teachers want to teach and NO they don’t see themselves as “government”- they see themselves as teachers. Unfortunately, they can’t TEACH because condescending, untrusting, anti-government, know-it-alls do not think educators are intelligent or doing the right thing. Parents take out their anger and misguided political crossfire out on school staff and on this forum. Foia is one thing. Abuse of foia and FERPA is another. You appear to miss that point. The parents making foia/ferpa requests are the fox news, right wing, anti-government crew who are in denial about their child's profile and are upset about not getting their way.

But please go on and support those who abuse foia/ferpa. Go on attacking the public school system because its not perfect, and just ignore all the great things our school system does. Keep the blinders on and carry on with "FCPS is the worst." Just don't be surprised when your child's "teachers" are not real teachers because they have all quit, and young adults refuse to enter the field or work for FCPS. Parents like you are a huge part of the problem.

Public schools are complete trash for handling sped

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m sure you are used to insulting others to make yourself feel right and smart.

Yes, I am smart two. So are all the other licensed, qualified teachers who devote themselves to educating our future and your children. Teachers want to teach and NO they don’t see themselves as “government”- they see themselves as teachers. Unfortunately, they can’t TEACH because condescending, untrusting, anti-government, know-it-alls do not think educators are intelligent or doing the right thing. Parents take out their anger and misguided political crossfire out on school staff and on this forum. Foia is one thing. Abuse of foia and FERPA is another. You appear to miss that point. The parents making foia/ferpa requests are the fox news, right wing, anti-government crew who are in denial about their child's profile and are upset about not getting their way.

But please go on and support those who abuse foia/ferpa. Go on attacking the public school system because its not perfect, and just ignore all the great things our school system does. Keep the blinders on and carry on with "FCPS is the worst." Just don't be surprised when your child's "teachers" are not real teachers because they have all quit, and young adults refuse to enter the field or work for FCPS. Parents like you are a huge part of the problem.

New thread because it's clear that Callie Oettinger did nothing wrong from a legal perspective.
I am a parent that utilizes the FERPA process ,my legal right ,now on a regular basis to track and trend my FCPS students.
I had trusted for many years the data that was given to me however it did not match my. own. observations as my child. with dyslexia was unable. to demonstrate the. progress. FCPS. was claiming outside of the school setting at home, church, scouts.
When I exercised my first FERPA I was shocked at the data that was "cherry picked" to be "strengths based "only data sharing. The weak areas were.never shared verbally, in reports or IEP goal report.Total gaslighting. I then did a deeper additional FERPA for more in depth info including emails and it became clear there was intentional withholding of information and even worse lack of evidence based intervention.
I now trust there is full transparency because it was promised and is law, however VERIFY through FERPA requests on a regular basis. I will continue because each request gas yielded essential information inyentionally withheld or "accidentallly" forgotten.
Each and every request has also included other childrens private protected information. Maybe I even have YOUR childs information ?? If you are at my childrens school I am quite certain I do !!!! I used to tell FCPS but it got old when they did not alert the parents as required. I stopped notifying them when it became clear it happens EVERY time. Callie was never the problem. Her sharing of this FCPS problem will hopefully lead to change in process.
Unknowlegable, self important educators , ignorant teachers like the one that posted the quote are also the problem.YOUR incompetence is very clear in my FERPA data. If you are indeed smart, I encourage you to take advantage of the wonderful free continuing education opportunities provided by FCPS and take personal professional responsibility and perhaps refresh your knowledge on Literacy both Math and English because student outcomes are linked to teacher knowlege. Apparently you are not quite as smart as you believe you are because FCPS literacy and math outcome data especially for those who learn differently are abysmal. I really hope that you do because we need more and I am truly appreciative of smart educators with integrity and evidence based knowlege. Thank you to those that do.
https://www.doe.virginia.gov/programs-services/student-services/student-records
https://www.wrightslaw.com/info/ferpa.index.htm

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sure you are used to insulting others to make yourself feel right and smart.

Yes, I am smart two. So are all the other licensed, qualified teachers who devote themselves to educating our future and your children. Teachers want to teach and NO they don’t see themselves as “government”- they see themselves as teachers. Unfortunately, they can’t TEACH because condescending, untrusting, anti-government, know-it-alls do not think educators are intelligent or doing the right thing. Parents take out their anger and misguided political crossfire out on school staff and on this forum. Foia is one thing. Abuse of foia and FERPA is another. You appear to miss that point. The parents making foia/ferpa requests are the fox news, right wing, anti-government crew who are in denial about their child's profile and are upset about not getting their way.

But please go on and support those who abuse foia/ferpa. Go on attacking the public school system because its not perfect, and just ignore all the great things our school system does. Keep the blinders on and carry on with "FCPS is the worst." Just don't be surprised when your child's "teachers" are not real teachers because they have all quit, and young adults refuse to enter the field or work for FCPS. Parents like you are a huge part of the problem.

New thread because it's clear that Callie Oettinger did nothing wrong from a legal perspective.
I am a parent that utilizes the FERPA process ,my legal right ,now on a regular basis to track and trend my FCPS students.
I had trusted for many years the data that was given to me however it did not match my. own. observations as my child. with dyslexia was unable. to demonstrate the. progress. FCPS. was claiming outside of the school setting at home, church, scouts.
When I exercised my first FERPA I was shocked at the data that was "cherry picked" to be "strengths based "only data sharing. The weak areas were.never shared verbally, in reports or IEP goal report.Total gaslighting. I then did a deeper additional FERPA for more in depth info including emails and it became clear there was intentional withholding of information and even worse lack of evidence based intervention.
I now trust there is full transparency because it was promised and is law, however VERIFY through FERPA requests on a regular basis. I will continue because each request gas yielded essential information inyentionally withheld or "accidentallly" forgotten.
Each and every request has also included other childrens private protected information. Maybe I even have YOUR childs information ?? If you are at my childrens school I am quite certain I do !!!! I used to tell FCPS but it got old when they did not alert the parents as required. I stopped notifying them when it became clear it happens EVERY time. Callie was never the problem. Her sharing of this FCPS problem will hopefully lead to change in process.
Unknowlegable, self important educators , ignorant teachers like the one that posted the quote are also the problem.YOUR incompetence is very clear in my FERPA data. If you are indeed smart, I encourage you to take advantage of the wonderful free continuing education opportunities provided by FCPS and take personal professional responsibility and perhaps refresh your knowledge on Literacy both Math and English because student outcomes are linked to teacher knowlege. Apparently you are not quite as smart as you believe you are because FCPS literacy and math outcome data especially for those who learn differently are abysmal. I really hope that you do because we need more and I am truly appreciative of smart educators with integrity and evidence based knowlege. Thank you to those that do.
https://www.doe.virginia.gov/programs-services/student-services/student-records
https://www.wrightslaw.com/info/ferpa.index.htm

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This is a perfect post, except you forget to mention the pp also needs to go take a civics class as well. The fact they are appalled to learn that teachers are government employees proves how much the education system has failed them, and how civics is so important as a basic education course. Otherwise, you are spot on. I find those who are ignorant like to stay ignorant, and that you will never change no matter how much evidence you provide them.

[Anonymous]

Let’s say you go to the ATM and withdraw $500, but the machine accidentally gives you $50k. Do you take it home or do you go into the bank and let them know? What would you do and why?

If you take the money home and the bank finds out because you told your neighbors what the ATM did, what would happen?

Do you and the neighbors then sue the bank?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let’s say you go to the ATM and withdraw $500, but the machine accidentally gives you $50k. Do you take it home or do you go into the bank and let them know? What would you do and why?

If you take the money home and the bank finds out because you told your neighbors what the ATM did, what would happen?

Do you and the neighbors then sue the bank?

No, because that’s a red herring. Just like you can’t use the 39 U.S. Code § 3009 argument to keep money from an atm, you can’t use that argument here. They have totally separate laws and precedence that govern them. So the comparison is moot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s say you go to the ATM and withdraw $500, but the machine accidentally gives you $50k. Do you take it home or do you go into the bank and let them know? What would you do and why?

If you take the money home and the bank finds out because you told your neighbors what the ATM did, what would happen?

Do you and the neighbors then sue the bank?

No, because that’s a red herring. Just like you can’t use the 39 U.S. Code § 3009 argument to keep money from an atm, you can’t use that argument here. They have totally separate laws and precedence that govern them. So the comparison is moot.

Ok. Thanks.
I don’t know 39 U.S Code…and while I’ve heard the phrase “red herring”, I’m not exactly sure what it means. I know if I’m given something that doesn’t belong to me I should return it.

[Anonymous]

I have nothing to do with your school or your child’s case. I have never experienced this, nor have the majority of my colleagues. We are not self-important or ignorant. We are competent, professional, caring, and there for the students. We do not go to work to crew over students and gaslight their families, I assure you. But you are beyond reason, Labeling ALL OF FCPS As incompetent gaslighters because of your experience and your understanding is wrong. I also question your interpretation of data, unless you are also a special education teacher or psychologist or have a degree in education. You’re an angry parent who thinks all of FCPS is incompetent and crooked because of your experience- and perhaps your denial, anger, and blame which is part of the grief process you go through. I feel sorry for you. Yes, you are part of this problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let’s say you go to the ATM and withdraw $500, but the machine accidentally gives you $50k. Do you take it home or do you go into the bank and let them know? What would you do and why?

If you take the money home and the bank finds out because you told your neighbors what the ATM did, what would happen?

Do you and the neighbors then sue the bank?

That's not what happened, you requested 50K and it gave you 50k

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s say you go to the ATM and withdraw $500, but the machine accidentally gives you $50k. Do you take it home or do you go into the bank and let them know? What would you do and why?

If you take the money home and the bank finds out because you told your neighbors what the ATM did, what would happen?

Do you and the neighbors then sue the bank?

That's not what happened, you requested 50K and it gave you 50k

I was going off posts from early in this thread, from which it seemed she was given more info than requested. Admittedly I have a lot of catching up to do on this topic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s say you go to the ATM and withdraw $500, but the machine accidentally gives you $50k. Do you take it home or do you go into the bank and let them know? What would you do and why?

If you take the money home and the bank finds out because you told your neighbors what the ATM did, what would happen?

Do you and the neighbors then sue the bank?

No, because that’s a red herring. Just like you can’t use the 39 U.S. Code § 3009 argument to keep money from an atm, you can’t use that argument here. They have totally separate laws and precedence that govern them. So the comparison is moot.

Ok. Thanks.
I don’t know 39 U.S Code…and while I’ve heard the phrase “red herring”, I’m not exactly sure what it means. I know if I’m given something that doesn’t belong to me I should return it.

Red herring is an argument that doesn’t have to do with the current argument but is similar enough to distract from the real argument. I’m not saying that was your intent, but that’s what the bank argument is. You are correct, bank laws require you to return money that was given to you. Not the case with foia. I mentioned the other us code, because that is the opposite of the bank law. That stems from the days where companies like Columbia house would send you cd’s you didn’t ask for and then demand payment. The law said you could keep them and not pay. I wouldn’t use that other than a counter because that too is irrelevant to this issue. My point is Callie didn’t break the law. And in civil court, when this happened in 2021, the judge ruled in her favor. As of now, the burden is on the government entity (yes, to the dismay of some, schools are government entities) to provide what is required and only what’s required (nothing more, nothing less). You can argue she should have given it back, but the courts felt otherwise, and that’s all that really matters in the legal system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have nothing to do with your school or your child’s case. I have never experienced this, nor have the majority of my colleagues. We are not self-important or ignorant. We are competent, professional, caring, and there for the students. We do not go to work to crew over students and gaslight their families, I assure you. But you are beyond reason, Labeling ALL OF FCPS As incompetent gaslighters because of your experience and your understanding is wrong. I also question your interpretation of data, unless you are also a special education teacher or psychologist or have a degree in education. You’re an angry parent who thinks all of FCPS is incompetent and crooked because of your experience- and perhaps your denial, anger, and blame which is part of the grief process you go through. I feel sorry for you. Yes, you are part of this problem.

I wasn’t the poster you’re responding to, but I don’t think anyone thinks “everyone” in fcps should be labeled as anything. All of my kids teachers and admin are wonderful. My beef is fully with those at the top, setting direction. The school board is terrible and Braband was terrible. Reid is a lot better, but she’s a bit handcuffed because of our awful school board. I don’t blame the teachers for shutting down schools, I blame idiots like Karl Frisch who said we can’t go back to school until Covid deaths are at 0. Well guess what, hot shot, they still aren’t at 0. Our school board cares more about their personal and political ambitions than running the schools. There are no leaders on that board. And they bring everyone down with them. But we keep electing them, and they will keep dividing parents, teachers and students. And everyone will be pissed.

[Anonymous]

I know that we are at page 75 - and this discussion is going off the rails but can we get back to the original question. I just received a letter that my youngest child’s information was disclosed. However I did not receive a letter regarding my middle child (at a different school) who has a 504. What I’m trying to understand is whether every child who receives services had their information disclosed to this parent, or only certain students? Thanks in advance for your help

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know that we are at page 75 - and this discussion is going off the rails but can we get back to the original question. I just received a letter that my youngest child’s information was disclosed. However I did not receive a letter regarding my middle child (at a different school) who has a 504. What I’m trying to understand is whether every child who receives services had their information disclosed to this parent, or only certain students? Thanks in advance for your help

35,000 kids. Some with ieps, some without. There are all sorts of random lists they gave her. Some with a lot of very personal information, some as innocuous as a list of kids in recess groups. Unless you know all the details, it would truly be hard to discern based on the commentary. And based on the majority of comments on this post being rooted in emotion vs. fact, you’ll probably get better guidance from Miss Cleo than some of these posters

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have nothing to do with your school or your child’s case. I have never experienced this, nor have the majority of my colleagues. We are not self-important or ignorant. We are competent, professional, caring, and there for the students. We do not go to work to crew over students and gaslight their families, I assure you. But you are beyond reason, Labeling ALL OF FCPS As incompetent gaslighters because of your experience and your understanding is wrong. I also question your interpretation of data, unless you are also a special education teacher or psychologist or have a degree in education. You’re an angry parent who thinks all of FCPS is incompetent and crooked because of your experience- and perhaps your denial, anger, and blame which is part of the grief process you go through. I feel sorry for you. Yes, you are part of this problem.

I wasn’t the poster you’re responding to, but I don’t think anyone thinks “everyone” in fcps should be labeled as anything. All of my kids teachers and admin are wonderful. My beef is fully with those at the top, setting direction. The school board is terrible and Braband was terrible. Reid is a lot better, but she’s a bit handcuffed because of our awful school board. I don’t blame the teachers for shutting down schools, I blame idiots like Karl Frisch who said we can’t go back to school until Covid deaths are at 0. Well guess what, hot shot, they still aren’t at 0. Our school board cares more about their personal and political ambitions than running the schools. There are no leaders on that board. And they bring everyone down with them. But we keep electing them, and they will keep dividing parents, teachers and students. And everyone will be pissed.

I understand. I understand many parents are frustrated about leaderships decisions or about county policies or even department of education policies/laws. Many parents have experienced incompetent school staff- I suspect that many “incompetent teachers” are not licensed and are just filling a vacancy. But parents who direct anger and frustration at the school staff (teachers, sped teachers, therapists, etc) are really biting the hand that feeds them and these staff have nothing to do with leadership decisions, policy, DOE law etc. it is also frustrating to only hear people complain about FCPS, and not recognize all the great things about FCPS! There are lots of really terrible or underfunded school systems in the country and we are fortunate to have what we have here in FCPS.

[Anonymous]

I have a high schooler and have not had a good experience with a sped teacher or an admin ever. Like I am not sure why fcps is rated as a good school district. The only reason we have stayed is because my child has good friends and we feel like that is important given all the other challenges. I am going to do a FERPA request and see what information has been hidden from us.

Can we go back to the post about families still not being reimbursed? That is so bad on fcps.