Roe v Wade struck down

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Anonymous wrote:Childless politicians being the face of pro-choice is really bad optics. AOC is nearly 33 years old, unmarried and childless; she does not comprehend what she is fighting for. If you are pro-choice, that's fine, but you ought to seek leaders with children to fight for it and be the face of it.

Did you know that Ginnie Thomas is childless. She and Clarence Thomas have no kids together. Thomas’s son from a previous marriage to a black woman bo longer has a relationship with him.

Mitch McConnell is no longer on speaking terms with his daughters from his first marriage. He has no children with Elaine Chao.

Kinda weird that we have so many childless rightwing elites or those estranged from their own families making policies on this stuff.

Thomas is a father and McConnell is a father. Got it.

Why are their wives childless? Why do they not have healthy relationships with their own offspring?

So weird.

Why is that your business? Do you ask everyone who is childless why they are childless?

They will have privacy when we have ours back. Until then enjoy the scrutiny.

No. Don't be a hypocrite. Unless you are willing to berate ALL PRO BIRTHER women for being childless, you need to shut up.

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Anonymous wrote:Childless politicians being the face of pro-choice is really bad optics. AOC is nearly 33 years old, unmarried and childless; she does not comprehend what she is fighting for. If you are pro-choice, that's fine, but you ought to seek leaders with children to fight for it and be the face of it.

Why is this an issue. Is this a another “motherhood is magical” thing? Because she can certainly comprehend that she wants to make her own choices for her life without being married with a child.

What a stupid post.

The fact that 59% of abortion patients already have at least one child means there are plenty of pro-choice mothers to pick from.

And that’s not including the mothers like me who haven’t had abortions but became even more pro-choice once we experienced the full difficulties of pregnancy, childbirth, and parenting. My (unplanned) child is the light of my life, but I wouldn’t wish this on anyone who wasn’t willing going in.

I was always pro-choice but became staunchly so when pregnant with my first. It was hard AF. And by the time I got accidentally pregnant with a third that was most definitely not wanted, I was busy researching my abortion options. Fortunately for me, nature intervened and I miscarried. I had to have a D&C to make sure everything was gone. But some of these sickos believe even that is a crime. Its my most fervent wish that all of these people rot in hell.

+1. First pregnancy with husband ended in a miscarriage. I had to have a D&C which I guess would be illegal now?

A Dand C is not an abortion dip shit.

Yes, actually, it is. If a doctor has to assist your miscarriage, congratulations. You have had an abortion.

I have federal health insurance and they paid for my D & C after a miscarriage; they wouldn't have paid for an abortion to end a live pregnancy. But yeah, the laws in red states are going to call it all "abortion".

No they will not because they are by definition NOT.

It’s right here in my medical record. It gave me a jolt the first time I read it.

Keep living in denial though.

Again, a procedure to remove an already dead fetus is NOT an abortion of a living baby. Get the f over yourselves.

NP. Where in the legislation are you reading the complete phrase "abortion [i]of a living baby?"

The word "abortion" in medical language refers to the premature exit of the products of conception (the fetus, fetal membranes, and placenta) from the uterus. The word "abortion" is not a comment on how or why that happened, or whether it was an intentional outcome. There are a lot of modifying words used with the medical term "abortion," including but not limited to the following:
- spontaneous abortion
- induced abortion
- complete abortion
- incomplete abortion
- missed abortion
- therapeutic abortion

Guess what? If the law doesn't specify, it applies to all of them.

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Anonymous wrote:Childless politicians being the face of pro-choice is really bad optics. AOC is nearly 33 years old, unmarried and childless; she does not comprehend what she is fighting for. If you are pro-choice, that's fine, but you ought to seek leaders with children to fight for it and be the face of it.

Why is this an issue. Is this a another “motherhood is magical” thing? Because she can certainly comprehend that she wants to make her own choices for her life without being married with a child.

What a stupid post.

The fact that 59% of abortion patients already have at least one child means there are plenty of pro-choice mothers to pick from.

And that’s not including the mothers like me who haven’t had abortions but became even more pro-choice once we experienced the full difficulties of pregnancy, childbirth, and parenting. My (unplanned) child is the light of my life, but I wouldn’t wish this on anyone who wasn’t willing going in.

I was always pro-choice but became staunchly so when pregnant with my first. It was hard AF. And by the time I got accidentally pregnant with a third that was most definitely not wanted, I was busy researching my abortion options. Fortunately for me, nature intervened and I miscarried. I had to have a D&C to make sure everything was gone. But some of these sickos believe even that is a crime. Its my most fervent wish that all of these people rot in hell.

+1. First pregnancy with husband ended in a miscarriage. I had to have a D&C which I guess would be illegal now?

A Dand C is not an abortion dip shit.

Yes, actually, it is. If a doctor has to assist your miscarriage, congratulations. You have had an abortion.

I have federal health insurance and they paid for my D & C after a miscarriage; they wouldn't have paid for an abortion to end a live pregnancy. But yeah, the laws in red states are going to call it all "abortion".

No they will not because they are by definition NOT.

It’s right here in my medical record. It gave me a jolt the first time I read it.

Keep living in denial though.

Again, a procedure to remove an already dead fetus is NOT an abortion of a living baby. Get the f over yourselves.

IDIOT. It is still an abortion and it is still banned! WTF is wrong with you? Did you believe all the propaganda you were subjected to, that liberal feminists were blood thirsty witches? You still think we just like to make things up, be hysterical? Come on over to the dark side because your forced birther party is ducking things all the way up. Birth control is next - Louisiana already had a ban in progress. What other truths can we tell you that you have so far ignored?

+1. Do you think there’s an undertone of panic in these posts? I see people desperately trying to convince themselves that ITS ALL GOING TO BE FINE, NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. MY D&C WAS A PROPER ONE, A LEGAL ONE.

LOL. And they should be panicking. Its going to get a lot worse. But hey, at least those kids everyone will be forced to have will have a great chance of getting a bullet in their brains in a few short years.

That’s if some horrible new strain of covid or, god forbid, a newer pandemic doesn’t get them first. Forcing motherhood is fine but a mask and a vaccine?! YOU’VE GONE TOO FAR.

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And there is the violence by forced birthers that DHS was worried about. Hopefully someone got his license plate number. Hit and run charges are no joke.

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Anonymous wrote:My aunt told me that in college if a girl got pregnant they would take Quinine tablets which made the uterus contract and abort. She said it worked. Don't let Thomas et al know or they will ban quinine tablets.

Good to know! Pennyroyal used to be recommended but I understand that that causes terrible side effects for the woman.

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And there is the violence by forced birthers that DHS was worried about. Hopefully someone got his license plate number. Hit and run charges are no joke.

I’ve got his license plate number. It says WRAPTOR.

I said in another thread that I think a right winger is going to take out a right wing Supreme Court member in order to ratchet up the chaos and in an attempt to blame Democrats for it. They clearly have no problems with violence.

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And there is the violence by forced birthers that DHS was worried about. Hopefully someone got his license plate number. Hit and run charges are no joke.

I’ve got his license plate number. It says WRAPTOR.

I said in another thread that I think a right winger is going to take out a right wing Supreme Court member in order to ratchet up the chaos and in an attempt to blame Democrats for it. They clearly have no problems with violence.

I wouldn’t put it past them. The right draws a lot of lunatic and psychopaths.

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License plate is telling! Big trucks, big guns, little d|cks.

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And there is the violence by forced birthers that DHS was worried about. Hopefully someone got his license plate number. Hit and run charges are no joke.

I’ve got his license plate number. It says WRAPTOR.

I said in another thread that I think a right winger is going to take out a right wing Supreme Court member in order to ratchet up the chaos and in an attempt to blame Democrats for it. They clearly have no problems with violence.

I wouldn’t put it past them. The right draws a lot of lunatic and psychopaths.

The fascists are already lying and claiming that eighteen of those forced birther centers that lie to and convince women not to have abortions have been firebombed. One was, but it looked like they did it themselves. There will be more violence committed by forced birthers to make it look like pro-liberty women are breaking the law.

I don’t know if this tweet will show the right one:

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And there is the violence by forced birthers that DHS was worried about. Hopefully someone got his license plate number. Hit and run charges are no joke.

I’ve got his license plate number. It says WRAPTOR.

I said in another thread that I think a right winger is going to take out a right wing Supreme Court member in order to ratchet up the chaos and in an attempt to blame Democrats for it. They clearly have no problems with violence.

I wouldn’t put it past them. The right draws a lot of lunatic and psychopaths.

Hell they did it all summer of 2020 and called it “antifa.” If they do take out a SCJ, they’ll call it “and act by a procho extremist” or something equally stupid.

Julia Louis Dreyfus is matching funds up to 10K in 11 states:

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Anonymous wrote:Childless politicians being the face of pro-choice is really bad optics. AOC is nearly 33 years old, unmarried and childless; she does not comprehend what she is fighting for. If you are pro-choice, that's fine, but you ought to seek leaders with children to fight for it and be the face of it.

Why is this an issue. Is this a another “motherhood is magical” thing? Because she can certainly comprehend that she wants to make her own choices for her life without being married with a child.

What a stupid post.

The fact that 59% of abortion patients already have at least one child means there are plenty of pro-choice mothers to pick from.

And that’s not including the mothers like me who haven’t had abortions but became even more pro-choice once we experienced the full difficulties of pregnancy, childbirth, and parenting. My (unplanned) child is the light of my life, but I wouldn’t wish this on anyone who wasn’t willing going in.

I was always pro-choice but became staunchly so when pregnant with my first. It was hard AF. And by the time I got accidentally pregnant with a third that was most definitely not wanted, I was busy researching my abortion options. Fortunately for me, nature intervened and I miscarried. I had to have a D&C to make sure everything was gone. But some of these sickos believe even that is a crime. Its my most fervent wish that all of these people rot in hell.

+1. First pregnancy with husband ended in a miscarriage. I had to have a D&C which I guess would be illegal now?

A Dand C is not an abortion dip shit.

Yes, actually, it is. If a doctor has to assist your miscarriage, congratulations. You have had an abortion.

Yup.

I really cannot believe how uninformed and plain stupid some of these posters are. I guess that helps explain how we got here.


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Agreed. A d+c for a miscarriage is NOT an abortion! F ing morons!

Uh. It is. There are some dead women who couldn’t get them who would like a word.

A miscarriage itself is a spontaneous abortion. OMG I can’t believe the ignorance here!

You are the ignorant one, sweetie.

Sometimes a spontaneous miscarriage does not clear everything out. When you go into sepsis and die because a D&C is, in fact, an abortion and you couldn’t get one let us know how it goes from the great beyond!

An ABORTION is a d+c of a LIVING fetus, not a dead one.

You absolute knob.

Merck Manual, https://www.merckmanuals.com/professional/gynecology-and-obstetrics/abnormalities-of-pregnancy/spontaneous-abortion :

1. Sometimes it happens without a D&C, and that IS A SPONTANEOUS ABORTION, AKA MISCARRIAGE

Spontaneous Abortion
(Miscarriage)

By Antonette T. Dulay , MD, Main Line Health System
Last full review/revision Oct 2020

Spontaneous abortion is noninduced embryonic or fetal death or passage of products of conception before 20 weeks gestation. Threatened abortion is vaginal bleeding without cervical dilation occurring during this time frame and indicating that spontaneous abortion may occur in a woman with a confirmed viable intrauterine pregnancy. Diagnosis is by clinical criteria and ultrasonography. Treatment is usually expectant observation for threatened abortion and, if spontaneous abortion has occurred or appears unavoidable, observation or uterine evacuation.
Spontaneous abortion, by definition, is death of the fetus; it may increase the risk of spontaneous abortion in subsequent pregnancies.

Fetal death and early delivery are classified as follows:

Abortion: Death of the fetus or passage of products of conception (fetus and placenta) before 20 weeks gestation
Fetal demise ( stillbirth): Fetal death after 20 weeks
Preterm delivery: Passage of a live fetus between 20 weeks and 36 weeks/6 days

Abortions may be classified as follows (see table Classification of Abortion):

Early or late
Spontaneous or induced for therapeutic or elective reasons
Threatened or inevitable
Incomplete or complete
Recurrent (also called recurrent pregnancy loss)
Missed
Septic

Classification of Abortion

About 20 to 30% of women with confirmed pregnancies bleed during the first 20 weeks of pregnancy; half of these women spontaneously abort. Thus, incidence of spontaneous abortion is up to about 20% in confirmed pregnancies. Incidence in all pregnancies is probably higher because some very early abortions are mistaken for a late menstrual period.

2. D&C can remove dead or otherwise nonviable tissue, such as a retained placenta.

Cleveland Clinic, https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/21512-retained-products-of-conception

Are retained products of conception and a retained placenta the same thing?
Sometimes the entire placenta (also called “afterbirth”) remains in the womb after childbirth. A retained placenta can lead to hemorrhaging (bleeding), severe infection or even death.

A retained placenta most commonly happens after a vaginal delivery. But RPOC is more common when a pregnancy ends early. It may not cause problems until days, weeks or even months after the pregnancy ends.

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How are retained products of conception treated?

There are several treatments for RPOC, including:

Misoprostol: You may receive this drug by mouth or through your vagina. In pregnant women, it helps to induce labor. After an early pregnancy failure or an incomplete abortion, it triggers your body to expel (force out) retained tissue.

Dilation and curettage (D&C): D&C is a minor surgical procedure to remove the contents of the uterus. Your healthcare provider dilates (opens) your cervix and uses a curette (small surgical tool) or suction to remove tissue.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think panic has set in among forced birthers. For one thing, they’re not that smart and they didn’t think through the ramifications of the total bans in these states. Total ban means total ban and I don’t think OBs and gyns are going to risk their license and freedom to give a quiet abortion to a loose lipped forced birther.

For another thing, this is what they’ve campaigned on for decades. Think how fired up pro choice voters will be. Think how incendiary the anger of women who understand that the GOP thinks they’re just a uterus with legs and that they have no right to self determination or bodily autonomy.

And they’re not done. The right wing is clearly planning violence to try and pin it on pro choice people again, but we see them coming this time.

Tell on all your forced birther friends and family who have gotten an abortion. Share their names with everyone. Statistically speaking, forced birthers are just as likely to have had an abortion as pro choice people. Even the two repetitive pps who have been baby sitting this thread from Tennessee.

- with love from a pro choice and reliable Democratic voter raising three young boys to be pro choice feminists.

Maybe. Not really what I’m picking up. I’m getting mostly unmitigated glee, some schadenfreude, and for the true believers a sense of peaceful satisfaction with having finally won a decades’ long battle. But on the other hand, sure, you seem like someone who has a genuine grasp on the mindset of pro-lifers.

As for pro choice voters being fired up and mobilized politically? Time will tell. I’d love it if some of those women reallocated time from promiscuous sex and visiting the clinic to engaging civically for what they believe in.

Yup, femicide forever!

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Anonymous wrote:I really think panic has set in among forced birthers. For one thing, they’re not that smart and they didn’t think through the ramifications of the total bans in these states. Total ban means total ban and I don’t think OBs and gyns are going to risk their license and freedom to give a quiet abortion to a loose lipped forced birther.

For another thing, this is what they’ve campaigned on for decades. Think how fired up pro choice voters will be. Think how incendiary the anger of women who understand that the GOP thinks they’re just a uterus with legs and that they have no right to self determination or bodily autonomy.

And they’re not done. The right wing is clearly planning violence to try and pin it on pro choice people again, but we see them coming this time.

Tell on all your forced birther friends and family who have gotten an abortion. Share their names with everyone. Statistically speaking, forced birthers are just as likely to have had an abortion as pro choice people. Even the two repetitive pps who have been baby sitting this thread from Tennessee.

- with love from a pro choice and reliable Democratic voter raising three young boys to be pro choice feminists.

This will blow over by next week just like Ukraine

Nope.

And now the anti-women's-health-care crowd won't be able to use abortion as its rallying cry. But the left sure will.

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Oh, is the right suddenly against gun rights?

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Anonymous wrote:Our state, our choice.

I am proud that we have chosen life in TN.

Oh great more meth addicted people in the world- cause you won’t actually take care of the people, just the fetuses.

Isn't TN last in the country in education?

Nashville is booming and TN is one of the fastest growing states at the moment.

Not for long.

+1000 My professionally successful cousins in a group chat texted me they are moving out of TN anywhere but red state.

Bless their hearts! We wish them success and prosperity in their new homes.

Oh they will. Thank you!

And hope, your kids will be able to hang on there in your new reality, and also forgive you.