Another gunman, another elementary school

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Anonymous wrote:SRO did not even try. Any normally constituted adult would have risked their lives to try to prevent the certain death of many kids. Also the shooter had already shot his grandma. Local schools should have been on lock-down and the SROs should have been ready when he arrived and crashed the truck. Those poor kids died alone hoping someone would come to their rescue.

But even apart from that, the police were right on him, correct? And waited an hour and a half? If that is now established fact, there needs to be some kind of federal investigation, public Congressional hearings, and I’d support - with family consent - blurred face photos of the deceased to show AR damage to the victims. This is insane. I’m not aware of this kind of pussy-footing in the response to active shooter scenes. The Uvalde victims were sacrificed in part BY the law enforcement officers on the scene because of their cowardice. Call it what it is!

I’m pretty sure I would not be willing to release a photo of my dead 10 year old after they had been shot with an assault rifle. The image would stay in the web forever and be used for the most horrible of purposes.

Sure, I understand that. I have a 7 year old, I don’t know what I’d do. What about the rest of this? What is going on with this comment thread — does anyone else feel shocked at the lack of engagement of on-scene officers? Anyone else willing to call cowardice out as plain, bald, cowardice?

I’m willing to withhold judgement until much more is known and verified. There are conflicting accounts. If the shooter was confronted by the resource officer after he entered the building — which is one scenario that has been reported — then it’s possible the presence of other children prevented a firefight. The officer had something like 9 bullets. The shooter at least 210.

Watch the video linked. I’m tired of this “I’m sooo reasonable and calm and lets all just wait” shit, because I think it’s an impediment to actual discussion, and to more people actually understanding the limitations of ‘good guy’ theory.

Can you repost the link? I didn’t see it in the hidden quotes and I’m not reading through 20 pages to find it

Is this the video?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dyXtymq-A6w

Harrowing videos captured the heartbreaking wails of parents begging cops to “Go protect the kids!” during the Texas school shooting — with some suggesting they “just rush” the school themselves.

One of the disturbing clips shows several parents trying to get past police lines. One woman appeared to be pinned on the ground by an officer, with an onlooker screaming, “What the f–k are you doing to her? Let her go!” Angry parents confronting officers standing around outside, with the livestreamer saying that it had “already been about an hour and they still can’t get the kids all out.”

“That’s f—ing crazy, bro — they’re standing all outside [and] there’s f—ing kids in there still, man,” he said. One mom yelled at an officer, “You’re scared of getting shot? I’ll go in without a vest — I will!” As an officer tells them to stand back, one mom wails, “You don’t understand!” Another shouts, “Are your kids in there? No!”

https://nypost.com/2022/05/26/videos-show-parents-begging-cops-to-stop-texas-school-shooting/amp/

What absolute chaos. How awful.

It seems like the school district and the PD had zero plan in place for this situation.

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I am not here to stick up for the cops. I feel nothing but anguish over this whole situation. But I really think so many of you here just do not understand what happens with assault rifles like this killer was carrying. I suggest you look up some videos on YouTube so you can grasp the scene. He murdered all those kids and teachers in the space of mere SECONDS. He sprayed that room with dozens and dozens of rounds of bullets, I’m sure each of the victims was shot multiple times their bodies were so ripped to shreds that DNA was required to match them to their parents. THESE WOUNDS WERE NOT SURVIVABLE. Even if the cops had gotten in there 5 minutes after.

We. Must. Ban. Assault. Weapons. Again.

Please, get off this thread for at least 10 minutes today and go sign up with Moms Demand Action and ACT ACT ACT and don’t stop acting until assault weapons are banned and all the millions sold in the last two decades are turned into plowshares.

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School students are starting walkouts in my area.

It's amazing that people are making arguments FOR ASSAULT RIFLES!

Sounds like they will be easy targets… let them go.

Go back to 4chan with the other losers

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Anonymous wrote:I am not here to stick up for the cops. I feel nothing but anguish over this whole situation. But I really think so many of you here just do not understand what happens with assault rifles like this killer was carrying. I suggest you look up some videos on YouTube so you can grasp the scene. He murdered all those kids and teachers in the space of mere SECONDS. He sprayed that room with dozens and dozens of rounds of bullets, I’m sure each of the victims was shot multiple times their bodies were so ripped to shreds that DNA was required to match them to their parents. THESE WOUNDS WERE NOT SURVIVABLE. Even if the cops had gotten in there 5 minutes after.

We. Must. Ban. Assault. Weapons. Again.

Please, get off this thread for at least 10 minutes today and go sign up with Moms Demand Action and ACT ACT ACT and don’t stop acting until assault weapons are banned and all the millions sold in the last two decades are turned into plowshares.

I will keep saying this over and over again. They, multiple good guys with guns, didn’t stop him from going inside. How did that happen? I can blame them for failing to do their job and also want to ban assault weapons.

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The crazy thing is for someone like Ted Cruz, he doesn’t even receive *that* much money from the nra. I saw a $176k figure. This is what it’s worth to him??

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Anonymous wrote:I am not here to stick up for the cops. I feel nothing but anguish over this whole situation. But I really think so many of you here just do not understand what happens with assault rifles like this killer was carrying. I suggest you look up some videos on YouTube so you can grasp the scene. He murdered all those kids and teachers in the space of mere SECONDS. He sprayed that room with dozens and dozens of rounds of bullets, I’m sure each of the victims was shot multiple times their bodies were so ripped to shreds that DNA was required to match them to their parents. THESE WOUNDS WERE NOT SURVIVABLE. Even if the cops had gotten in there 5 minutes after.

We. Must. Ban. Assault. Weapons. Again.

Please, get off this thread for at least 10 minutes today and go sign up with Moms Demand Action and ACT ACT ACT and don’t stop acting until assault weapons are banned and all the millions sold in the last two decades are turned into plowshares.

x1 million

Grass-roots, mom-led:
https://momsdemandaction.org/act/

Bipartisan, common-sense gun control:
https://www.bradyunited.org/

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The story will continue to evolve as more facts become known. Some of these posters will look pretty foolish.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not here to stick up for the cops. I feel nothing but anguish over this whole situation. But I really think so many of you here just do not understand what happens with assault rifles like this killer was carrying. I suggest you look up some videos on YouTube so you can grasp the scene. He murdered all those kids and teachers in the space of mere SECONDS. He sprayed that room with dozens and dozens of rounds of bullets, I’m sure each of the victims was shot multiple times their bodies were so ripped to shreds that DNA was required to match them to their parents. THESE WOUNDS WERE NOT SURVIVABLE. Even if the cops had gotten in there 5 minutes after.

We. Must. Ban. Assault. Weapons. Again.

Please, get off this thread for at least 10 minutes today and go sign up with Moms Demand Action and ACT ACT ACT and don’t stop acting until assault weapons are banned and all the millions sold in the last two decades are turned into plowshares.

I will keep saying this over and over again. They, multiple good guys with guns, didn’t stop him from going inside. How did that happen? I can blame them for failing to do their job and also want to ban assault weapons.

And I will keep saying this: Ramos CHOSE not to enter another classroom, and if we are allowed to use our brains here, its likely because he assumed the police or LEO of whatever stripe would come in much, much more quickly. It is not due to ANYTHING by police that he didn’t slaughter several additional classrooms full of children. STOP IT MISS PLEASE GET OFF THE THREAD. I’m already a donor and member of multiple gun control coalitions. STOP SQUELCHING DISCUSSION OF POLICE INACTION.

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And frankly we need to shout this narrative over and over again. That might edging work because so far 10 years of my donations, protesting, and voting didn’t do a thing to protect these kids. We need to shout at the GOP that the cops failed. So, their theory is bunk.

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Anonymous wrote:The crazy thing is for someone like Ted Cruz, he doesn’t even receive *that* much money from the nra. I saw a $176k figure. This is what it’s worth to him??

Spins up the fear-driven base.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a LO or a SRO you are signing up to sacrifice yourself if need be. They absolutely should have went in after him. Especially if there was more than one of them

Unfortunately, that's not what their training tells them to do:

Police training starts in the academy, where the concept of officer safety is so heavily emphasized that it takes on almost religious significance. Rookie officers are taught what is widely known as the “first rule of law enforcement”: An officer’s overriding goal every day is to go home at the end of their shift.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/police-gun-shooting-training-ferguson/383681/

Sorry, this is applicable when rooms full of 9 and 10 yr olds are getting slaughtered. You don’t just stand outside and wait.

It's inapplicable to any active shooter post Columbine. The thinking used to be that you want to calm and negotiate with a gunman to save lives, but now it's go in fast and search out the shooter before they can kill more people. These cops decided to wait

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/florida-school-shooting-columbine-lessons/index.html

I'm not going to sit in judgement of cops who made choices under difficult circumstances. We'd all like to think that we would have done better when faced with the prospect of dying kids, but half of DC has had the luxury of working of been sitting at home because of COVID. Most of us are hardly the warriors for the public good (with the exception of frontline workers).

A sniper fired more than 200 high velocity rounds at my kid’s school in DC using four fully automatic assault rifles and a high capacity drum magazine. Four people were shot. This happened last month.

And that is the fault of Congress (specifically Republicans) for not having the guts and brains to put in place common sense measures that would reauire background checks and ban high capacity magazines. Because all of the legitimate gun owners out there know you don’t need the standard number of rounds to shoot a deer.

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Reports coming out that the police waited outside the school for over an hour while the shooter was inside. Kids were bleeding out while they were too much of cowards to help. Despicable. They should all be fired. Cops are not the answer!

I thought Texas had many good guys with guns who will protect their people. Where were they?

Not having their guns because the school is a no gun zone and they follow the law. Unlike people who want to shoot other people, who do not follow the law.

There was at least one armed officer at the school. Plus others who reportedly responded after the shooter crashed his truck. The police are on record that they “engaged” with the shooter before he entered the school.

Then they go in after him. Discharging your weapon one then giving up and waiting outside was the wrong thing to do. They should have continuously engaged with him and followed him in- until either he or they were unable to engage further.

There is no indication at this point that any officer fired a weapon at the shooter before he was allowed to gain entry to the school.

Correct. And it turns out his vest was not body armour but merely ammo storage. A few well placed shots to the chest would have done the trick.

As my husband in law enforcement, an air marshall, has said, two to the chest, one to the head. These guards are unlikely to have strong marksmanship skills though right? That requires a lot of training and practice, a lot of muscle memory. Maybe this will bring about changes in training. There will be a lot to unpack about this tragedy on multiple levels obviously.

The chest is a pretty big target. That’s why it’s recommended.

I suppose if the target is standing squarely in front of you and not running away from you. Either way the shooter was wearing a ballistic vest. We can assume the resource officer was not carrying a high velocity rifle. Keep staying at that Holiday Inn Express.

The vest was for ammo storage - it was not protective armor or ballistic. Try to keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:The story will continue to evolve as more facts become known. Some of these posters will look pretty foolish.

Sure. A totally undoctored video showing police - each of them with a Superman chest - going in after a couple of minutes max and confronting the lone, non-Kevlared gunman shooting teachers and children.

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Anonymous wrote:The crazy thing is for someone like Ted Cruz, he doesn’t even receive *that* much money from the nra. I saw a $176k figure. This is what it’s worth to him??

That’s the stuff that’s reported. There are dark money PACs too where the donors aren’t reported.

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Anonymous wrote:The crazy thing is for someone like Ted Cruz, he doesn’t even receive *that* much money from the nra. I saw a $176k figure. This is what it’s worth to him??

It’s not the money. It’s the virtue signaling and cosplay for the Bubba base.