What dies it take for Russia to stop this war?

Anonymous
In my opinion battle field losses and international sanctions aren’t enough. For Russia to stop the war it has to experience a strong nationwide opposition to the was and Russian citizens should demand an immediate end to this war. It will only happen if Russians experience disruption to their supply of water, heat, and electricity for sustainable period of time, just like the Ukrainians are experiencing thanks to Russia’s bombing on infrastructure and residential buildings.
Anonymous
Why do you want the war stopped?

The us is grinding down a strategic adversary for very cheap

If this keeps going for 30 years, it is tons of upside for the us

Makes russia bleed and Europe economically uncompetitive with USA
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Why do you want the war stopped?

The us is grinding down a strategic adversary for very cheap

If this keeps going for 30 years, it is tons of upside for the us

Makes russia bleed and Europe economically uncompetitive with USA

It’s taking human toll on Ukrainians. If it’s just shooting weapons into the abyss I would have agreed with you.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Why do you want the war stopped?

The us is grinding down a strategic adversary for very cheap

If this keeps going for 30 years, it is tons of upside for the us

Makes russia bleed and Europe economically uncompetitive with USA


The ruble is strengthening vs other currencies. Russia is still getting lots of money from energy despite the sanctions and having to sell at a discount, because Biden and Europe are restricting their own energy production. 20 years ago, Europe produced more energy than Russia.
Anonymous
Pull out of Ukraine, including Crimea, and pay a trillion in reparations, repatritate the kids who have been stolen from the country.
Anonymous
Probably Putin has to be killed by his own people.
Anonymous
I feel bad for Ukrainians dying- but the upside is lots of Russians are dying and having limbs blown off; the males that can are fleeing. Russian population was already on the decline; Putin literally threw gas on the demise of their society.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why do you want the war stopped?

The us is grinding down a strategic adversary for very cheap

If this keeps going for 30 years, it is tons of upside for the us

Makes russia bleed and Europe economically uncompetitive with USA

It’s taking human toll on Ukrainians. If it’s just shooting weapons into the abyss I would have agreed with you.


Sounds like efficient Outsourcing of labor

The French have the foreign legion to do their dirty work in Africa
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why do you want the war stopped?

The us is grinding down a strategic adversary for very cheap

If this keeps going for 30 years, it is tons of upside for the us

Makes russia bleed and Europe economically uncompetitive with USA


The ruble is strengthening vs other currencies. Russia is still getting lots of money from energy despite the sanctions and having to sell at a discount, because Biden and Europe are restricting their own energy production. 20 years ago, Europe produced more energy than Russia.


Ok - and the ruble can only really transact with China, India, Brazil, and non-west countries

All well and good to have a strong ruble but not if you can’t have full unfettered
Market access to buy stuff with it

Biden is masterfully playing this.

The issue isn’t Russia - I’m curious how long Ukrainians will be willing to be our boots on the ground

This can only last as long as they are willing — but if they are willing, we have the industrial capacity, money, and materiel to slowly cook the Russians over decades
Anonymous
Putin has to end up like Gaddafi - paraded through the street on social media and shot dead in a roadside ditch. That’s when the war will end - because the generals and oligarchs will be too busy fighting for internal control to project power into Ukraine.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why do you want the war stopped?

The us is grinding down a strategic adversary for very cheap

If this keeps going for 30 years, it is tons of upside for the us

Makes russia bleed and Europe economically uncompetitive with USA


The ruble is strengthening vs other currencies. Russia is still getting lots of money from energy despite the sanctions and having to sell at a discount, because Biden and Europe are restricting their own energy production. 20 years ago, Europe produced more energy than Russia.


Ok - and the ruble can only really transact with China, India, Brazil, and non-west countries

All well and good to have a strong ruble but not if you can’t have full unfettered
Market access to buy stuff with it

Biden is masterfully playing this.

The issue isn’t Russia - I’m curious how long Ukrainians will be willing to be our boots on the ground

This can only last as long as they are willing — but if they are willing, we have the industrial capacity, money, and materiel to slowly cook the Russians over decades


Best. Satire. Ever.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:In my opinion battle field losses and international sanctions aren’t enough. For Russia to stop the war it has to experience a strong nationwide opposition to the was and Russian citizens should demand an immediate end to this war. It will only happen if Russians experience disruption to their supply of water, heat, and electricity for sustainable period of time, just like the Ukrainians are experiencing thanks to Russia’s bombing on infrastructure and residential buildings.


need trading partners like India to stop buying Russian products.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Probably Putin has to be killed by his own people.


Maybe at one time, but not anymore? There are too many "little Putin's" who are equally or more ruthless lining up for the position. And ordinary Russians aren't even tuning into the propaganda anymore.

"the recent spate of "suicides" among Russia's elites were "all murders""
"These people are not oligarchs per se, but they're people who sit in positions that have some kind of authority over important cash flows - particularly in the oil and gas business,
https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2828145867861/how-ruthless-russian-oligarchs-are-murdering-each-other-in-bloody-battle-for-power-in-putin-s-viper-s-nest

"The talk show of Vladimir Solovyov and Olga Skabeyeva on the Russia-1 TV channel fell out of the top 10 programs by audience share, according to Mediascope data, the Moscow Times portal reports."
"Solovyov's show fell to 17th place, and Skabeyeva's - to 13th. Together with them, all the programs of the Channel One Russia, including "Vremya" [Time], disappeared from the top 10 of the rating, and they were replaced by the entertainment shows "Nuka, vse vmeste!” [Come on, all together!], “Privet, Andrei!” [Hello, Andrei!] and "Songs from the Heart"."
https://ukranews.com/en/news/896154-russians-tired-of-propagandists-solovyov-and-skabeyeva-dropped-from-top-10-programs-on-tv

"Believe me—that is far more terrifying. I assert, and this is by no means the solitary private opinion of one simple (FSB) employee: we have f***ed up the country. We (FSB) screwed up the country not on February 24, when this whole affair began, but much earlier, when February 24 became possible in principle."
"Chaos, civil war, collapse—yes, it's all ahead of us. It is inevitable," the FSB agent said. "Too many in Russia have crossed the point of no return. They plan to be little czars in the areas they manage to capture. At least, that's the way they are thinking."
https://www.newsweek.com/leaked-fsb-letters-civial-war-putin-allies-prigozhin-kadyrov-1760455
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In my opinion battle field losses and international sanctions aren’t enough. For Russia to stop the war it has to experience a strong nationwide opposition to the was and Russian citizens should demand an immediate end to this war. It will only happen if Russians experience disruption to their supply of water, heat, and electricity for sustainable period of time, just like the Ukrainians are experiencing thanks to Russia’s bombing on infrastructure and residential buildings.


need trading partners like India to stop buying Russian products.


That will never happen and nor should it.

Strategically it’s better for us if Índia gives just enough of a lifeline to Russia to keep up while we grind them down in Ukraine

You don’t want them giving up too quickly.



Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I feel bad for Ukrainians dying- but the upside is lots of Russians are dying and having limbs blown off; the males that can are fleeing. Russian population was already on the decline; Putin literally threw gas on the demise of their society.


Excuse me, the upside?!
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