new kavanaugh sexual assault allegations

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Anonymous wrote:I am disappointed with the level of misogyny shown on this thread. It is ridiculous.

Questioning the veracity of someone's accusations, as well as the political motivations behind them, is not misogyny.

+1 PP--I think there may be just one--refuses to understand this. If a woman accuses a man one dislikes she must be believed.

This kind of incorrect simplifying is misogynistic. Take an allegation of assault and attempted rape down to that is misogynistic.

Women are done with this. DONE. We need more representation in congress so that this kind of crap is voted out.

No its not. Misogyny is prejudice/contempt/ towards ALL women.

It is contempt of women that is causing people to ignore that her statement IS evidence. In old English and American laws, the victim of any crimes of muggings, assault, robbery could have their testimony alone lead to a conviction. It was MISOGYNY that rape was the exception. In the 1970s the law was changed in the US so that rape could be considered like the other crimes - there no longer HAD to be a direct witness to the crime. And you know who spoke out against that law change? Misogynists who claimed that women were untrustworthy.

It is misogynistic to say "If a woman accuses a man one dislikes she must be believed." It is minimizing sexual assault, and it is implying once again that women cannot be trusted.

It is okay to not believe the evidence against Kavanaugh - it is MISOGYNISTIC to claim there was no evidence.

And because of the way that Old English courts were run, is precisely why the Fifth Amendment was passed. It's a good thing, too. Look at the other accusers that ended up saying that they lied (one was a man). Look at the Duke lacrosse case. That accuser was "believed" at first and it ended up to be a lie. Ruined those families' lives.

And what about Bill Cosby, Roy Moore, Charlie Rose, Matt Lauer, Kevin Spacey, Adam Venit?

They had accusers who could remember the date, time, and place of their attacks and how they got home.

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Anonymous wrote:PP, you would be a terrible juror. You believe testimony is sufficient to convict in the absence of any corroborating evidence even though the testimony itself is riddled with gaps with regard to large details and inconsistencies with regard to small details.

When the testimony is that poor, you need some kind of corroborating evidence. CF had none--her best friend said she recalled no such party even though there is a lot of evidence she was pressured to say otherwise. There was not one person who stepped forward to say she told them about it at the time. In addition to which, it is not difficult to infer CF had political motives for reporting this to Feinstein. This is a weak, weak case.

I certainly hope to never have you on my jury. And having been on several I can say pretty certainly you'd be that one that all the other jurors complain about.

No, really just stop.

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Anonymous wrote:I am disappointed with the level of misogyny shown on this thread. It is ridiculous.

Questioning the veracity of someone's accusations, as well as the political motivations behind them, is not misogyny.

+1 PP--I think there may be just one--refuses to understand this. If a woman accuses a man one dislikes she must be believed.

This kind of incorrect simplifying is misogynistic. Take an allegation of assault and attempted rape down to that is misogynistic.

Women are done with this. DONE. We need more representation in congress so that this kind of crap is voted out.

Many of the people responding to you seem to be women who are not accepting your tired memes of misogyny. WNt this kind of crap done away with

1. Don’t get blackout drunk or stoned at parties and expect men to respect you She wasn’t, he was.

2. Don’t accuse men of rape and then continue an extra marital affair with them CBF had an affair with Brett?

3. Don’t dilute the seriousness of rape by accusing every man who doesn’t call you the day after consensual sex of tape No one’s doing this.

Women around the world endure rapes daily. Don’t diminish their suffering by turning a 30 year old dubious sexual assault into a rape.

If you care about women, you would cut the crap.

Your whole post is so riddled with misogyny you can’t even see it.

1. Referring to the woman who got blackout drunk at a frat party and was sexually assaulted by a swimmer. Her book is making the rounds in the irresponsible women as victim rodeo

2. Referring to the women who was allegedly raised by Matt Lauer and continued an affair with him

3. Referring to women who have recanted their accusations when it was their feelings that were hurt.

Misogyny is hating women. I actually like women and want them to be responsible adults rather than infantilized

Again, the concern for be got women who were raped, not those who kinda sorta thought they could have been.

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1. Don’t get blackout drunk or stoned at parties and expect men to respect you

Don’t get blackout drunk or stoned at parties and expect men not to rape you. Is that your point?

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Anonymous wrote:Somehow the posts talking about the TIme opinion piece PP posted have gone AWOL. Kind of weird--none of it seemed offensive.

Probably because the person who posted that link felt it necessary to post it multiple times. That’s called trolling.

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Anonymous wrote:And guess what - emergency contraception is part of treatment of sexual assault survivors. Offering emergency contraception is part of the procedures that hospitals are supposed to follow when treating sexual assault survivors, whether they choose to press charges, make a statement to police or allow the hospital to complete the kit and do the physical examination.

It is 100% understandable WHY a sexual assault survivor would have a huge problem with having someone who assaulted her and could limit abortion on the supreme court.

Sexual assault and abortion are closely linked. Kavanaugh being a federal judge was one thing - being a supreme court justice is something else entirely.

You do not need Pilates today, you have stretched quite enough.

Well said.

I guess I am not surprised that some people refuse to actually look at these issues. YES, sexual assault and abortion and emergency contraception are inextricably linked.

There are bills in a couple of states now limiting abortion and criminalizing it for women who have been raped. There are states that refuse to allow medicare to cover emergency contraception and allow pharmacists to decline to fill those prescriptions.

Please learn about these issues. You have access to the internet. Everything is at your fingertips.

You are conflating different things. This thread has nothing to do with abortion and everything to do with labeling someone guilty of an allegation with zero corroboration of any kind. Please stick to the subject and stop trying to twist it into something it’s not.

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Anonymous wrote:I am disappointed with the level of misogyny shown on this thread. It is ridiculous.

This has zero to do with misogyny, though we know you’d dearly love for everyone to believe otherwise. It’s a very simple concept -innocent unless (and until) proven guilty. Nothing more, nothing less. Your level of ignorance is what is truly disappointing.

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There are bills in a couple of states now limiting abortion and criminalizing it for women who have been raped. There are states that refuse to allow medicare to cover emergency contraception and allow pharmacists to decline to fill those prescriptions.

Please learn about these issues. You have access to the internet. Everything is at your fingertips.


You are conflating different things. This thread has nothing to do with abortion and everything to do with labeling someone guilty of an allegation with zero corroboration of any kind. Please stick to the subject and stop trying to twist it into something it’s not.

But, first PP just revealed the real issue--this was not about Kavanaugh and his personal life. It was not about a story created by Christine Blasey Ford. It was not about "believing all women." It was all about stopping conservative justices who might disagree with their pro-abortion stance. To pretend otherwise is ignorant.

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Anonymous wrote:I am disappointed with the level of misogyny shown on this thread. It is ridiculous.

You are upset by the posters who are exercising common sense.

it's sad you think hating women is just common sense

this is why republicans are polling so well among women. you've made your bed. or probably your wife made your bed and then you yelled at her for not doing it well enough.

DP. Your posts are nonsensical. “Hating women”? I’m a woman. If I claim you broke into my house and groped me, with no evidence whatsoever, are you saying you would have to believe me or be consider “woman hater”? What an odd mental state you seem to be in.

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Anonymous wrote:I am disappointed with the level of misogyny shown on this thread. It is ridiculous.

Questioning the veracity of someone's accusations, as well as the political motivations behind them, is not misogyny.

+1 million

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Anonymous wrote:I am disappointed with the level of misogyny shown on this thread. It is ridiculous.

Questioning the veracity of someone's accusations, as well as the political motivations behind them, is not misogyny.

+1 PP--I think there may be just one--refuses to understand this. If a woman accuses a man one dislikes she must be believed.

This kind of incorrect simplifying is misogynistic. Take an allegation of assault and attempted rape down to that is misogynistic.

Women are done with this. DONE. We need more representation in congress so that this kind of crap is voted out.

Woman here. I’m very happy that Kavanaugh was confirmed and would be beyond disgusted if he (or anyone else) had been assumed to be guilty based on a 30+ year old allegation with no corroboration. Now THAT would have been a travesty.

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Anonymous wrote:PP, you would be a terrible juror. You believe testimony is sufficient to convict in the absence of any corroborating evidence even though the testimony itself is riddled with gaps with regard to large details and inconsistencies with regard to small details.

When the testimony is that poor, you need some kind of corroborating evidence. CF had none--her best friend said she recalled no such party even though there is a lot of evidence she was pressured to say otherwise. There was not one person who stepped forward to say she told them about it at the time. In addition to which, it is not difficult to infer CF had political motives for reporting this to Feinstein. This is a weak, weak case.

I certainly hope to never have you on my jury. And having been on several I can say pretty certainly you'd be that one that all the other jurors complain about.

No, really just stop.

Interesting that you choose not to defend your view that testimony is evidence and no matter how poor and uncorroborated it is, the accused should be convicted on the sole basis of that testimony.

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Anonymous wrote:The answer to this is of course.

But Ford had zero supporting evidence for a 30+ year old claim and as for rape Swetnick was quickly discredited. I am not sure what perjury you are referring to except that he denied these allegations, which does not constitute perjury

And as has been explained to you time and time again his finances were covered in a closed hearing--if those at the hearing thought there was any there there, they would have raised it in the open hearings. But they didn't and it is very likely his parents paid off his debts.

And this is why the White House spiked the FBI’s investigation. The FBI does investigate cold cases and they frequently can come to conclusions. Why didn’t they allow an investigation? McConnell had held a Court seat open for how long? There was no rush. These two facts - that the FBI can conduct investigations of decades old crimes and be able to come to accurate conclusions and there was no rush for the seat - suggest to me that not only was Christine Blasey Ford’s account correct, but that an investigation might have revealed additional similar crimes.

Interesting. How long had Dianne Feinstein held onto Ford’s allegations? Many weeks, during which she could have had them “investigated” (well, as much as one could possibly investigate a 30 yr old alleged incident of groping, with no known time or place). So why did she wait until the very last, possible minute to share the allegation?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am disappointed with the level of misogyny shown on this thread. It is ridiculous.

Questioning the veracity of someone's accusations, as well as the political motivations behind them, is not misogyny.

+1 PP--I think there may be just one--refuses to understand this. If a woman accuses a man one dislikes she must be believed.

This kind of incorrect simplifying is misogynistic. Take an allegation of assault and attempted rape down to that is misogynistic.

Women are done with this. DONE. We need more representation in congress so that this kind of crap is voted out.

No its not. Misogyny is prejudice/contempt/ towards ALL women.

It is contempt of women that is causing people to ignore that her statement IS evidence. In old English and American laws, the victim of any crimes of muggings, assault, robbery could have their testimony alone lead to a conviction. It was MISOGYNY that rape was the exception. In the 1970s the law was changed in the US so that rape could be considered like the other crimes - there no longer HAD to be a direct witness to the crime. And you know who spoke out against that law change? Misogynists who claimed that women were untrustworthy.

It is misogynistic to say "If a woman accuses a man one dislikes she must be believed." It is minimizing sexual assault, and it is implying once again that women cannot be trusted.

It is okay to not believe the evidence against Kavanaugh - it is MISOGYNISTIC to claim there was no evidence.

Holy cow, you’re like a dog with a bone. You seem to be the only person who is determined to keep arguing about something that doesn’t exist (evidence and/or corroboration - of ANY kind). You can stop moaning about be WH “spiking” the investigation - which you keep posting - and linking to your absurd article, repeatedly. It’s truly pathetic that you seem unable to face reality here.
-DP

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am disappointed with the level of misogyny shown on this thread. It is ridiculous.

Questioning the veracity of someone's accusations, as well as the political motivations behind them, is not misogyny.

+1 PP--I think there may be just one--refuses to understand this. If a woman accuses a man one dislikes she must be believed.

This kind of incorrect simplifying is misogynistic. Take an allegation of assault and attempted rape down to that is misogynistic.

Women are done with this. DONE. We need more representation in congress so that this kind of crap is voted out.

Many of the people responding to you seem to be women who are not accepting your tired memes of misogyny. WNt this kind of crap done away with

1. Don’t get blackout drunk or stoned at parties and expect men to respect you

2. Don’t accuse men of rape and then continue an extra marital affair with them

3. Don’t dilute the seriousness of rape by accusing every man who doesn’t call you the day after consensual sex of tape

Women around the world endure rapes daily. Don’t diminish their suffering by turning a 30 year old dubious sexual assault into a rape.

If you care about women, you would cut the crap.

Amen to that.