Trump - “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?”

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't it kind of incredibly selfish that we're responsible for the braindrain of all the top brains of these shithole nations? They have no chance to improve if we just skim the top talent every year.

I do think it's sad in a way that the best and brightest off and leave their country but then again if they wanted to leave and America won't have them because of its stupid insularity policies then the best and brightest we'll likely move to Canada or England or other places.

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Anonymous wrote:Many Africans and Haitians are posting extensive defenses of their countries on Facebook. When asked why they left they'd countries, they answer a variant of what the US offers them. I find it interesting that they left countries but now jump to their defense.

Oh stop being disingenuous.

The president didn't say "there are serious problems in Hait and some African countries." If he had no one would have disagreed with that. Instead, he dismissed them with a vulgarity, and implied their inhabitants are not the sort of people we want in the US. Here's a hint: that's an insult.

How many Americans go ape-shit if people say anything negative about this country. How many times do you hear "leave this country if you don't like it" or "love it or leave it" or "my country right or wrong" -- just because someone dares to critique something about the US that can be improved?

Except that Trump, of course, can imply America's not great rignt now (MAGA) and these same people go wild with applause.

Ethiopia is a shithole. In fact the late Emperor Haile Selassie's head was stuff in a toilet full of shit when the opposition killed him. The Haitians and Africans posting on Facebook are defending the shithole countries they fled. Not disingenuous, simply reality. No one is leaving Norway because it's not a shithole. Few people immigrate from the US because it's not a shithold. Many people leave South Sunda, because it is a shithole Many people leave Equitorial Guinea because it is a shithole. If these places were so great, why would people leave them? No one can or will answer this question.

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We have friends who travel extensively throughout Europe. They were appalled by Trump's "shithole" comment, so we asked if they had ever considered traveling to Haiti or any African countries. Of course, their answer was no. "But why?" we asked. Crickets.

The only Americans I met in Haiti outside of Port au Prince were conservative Christian aid workers. In several African countries the Chinese are rebuilding the infrastructure to establish factories and shipping centers because Africans work for less than the Chinese. If they can continue the economic colonization in sub-Saharan Africa, fewer people may leave. Rwanda was a prime shitholeb following the genocide, now the Chinese have cleaned it up

I have wondered when that was going to happen. China's eventually going to run out of cheap labor as their standards of living grows so they are expanding to the last place where you can still find cheap labor and people willing to work for pennies.

This is exactly what happened in Taiwan and S. Korea. Remember a few decades ago when everything cheap was made in Taiwan or S. Korea? Labor costs there have sky rocketed and now they outsource their manufacturing to cheaper places like Cambodia and Vietnam.

the only way those manufacturing jobs will come back to the US is if our standard of living and labor costs are that of the 3rd world, ie, we become a sh1thole.

Pretty much. Plus automation and 3D printing is going to kill manufacturing industry as well.

Unfortunately are politicians and mainstream media don't actually want to talk about the realities of late-stage capitalism and how Mining and Manufacturing jobs are not going to come back.

And unfortunately the jobs that we do have in abundance (retail, health care aides) are low prestige and low wage

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please ask Trump during his next presss conference whether Slovenia is a shithole?

Actually, no. It's a picturesque, safe and friendly country. Perfect for retirement, but for young people probably not.

Why don't young people like it there? I see a lot of Slovenians in their late teens-early 20s at our beach town every summer, working at the grocery stores, tourist shops, hotel pools, etc. Our neighborhood pool also hires them as lifeguards until the neighborhood college kids get home for the summer. Apparently there's a huge market for them to come to America and quite a few are interested in staying permanently if they can figure out a way to do so (i.e., fall in love quickly and marry an American citizen).

Beautiful country with shithole economy?
Frenzied person attacking Slovenia, why exactly? Because of Melania, clearly.

Why don't you google pictures of Slovenia and you'll learn a little about the place. It's the most wooded/green country in Europe for starters. You'll have to work pretty hard to find a single bad picture.

Law abiding people. You won't find many here illegally.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please ask Trump during his next presss conference whether Slovenia is a shithole?

Actually, no. It's a picturesque, safe and friendly country. Perfect for retirement, but for young people probably not.

Why don't young people like it there? I see a lot of Slovenians in their late teens-early 20s at our beach town every summer, working at the grocery stores, tourist shops, hotel pools, etc. Our neighborhood pool also hires them as lifeguards until the neighborhood college kids get home for the summer. Apparently there's a huge market for them to come to America and quite a few are interested in staying permanently if they can figure out a way to do so (i.e., fall in love quickly and marry an American citizen).

Beautiful country with shithole economy?
Frenzied person attacking Slovenia, why exactly? Because of Melania, clearly.

Why don't you google pictures of Slovenia and you'll learn a little about the place. It's the most wooded/green country in Europe for starters. You'll have to work pretty hard to find a single bad picture.

Law abiding people. You won't find many here illegally.

Brought to you by the Slovenia Tourist Council.

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Hardlly. Our education system is to blame, but not for what you said. Colleges are teaching that whiteness is a problem and that critical thinking and independent judgement will be condemned. Fall in line behind the liberal mantra, or face the consequences - up to and including death threads.

What crappy news source told you this?


Your crappy Hilly for starters. With her famous ''white people should practice humility''

''University of Michigan included a training session that aimed to help white employees deal with their “whiteness”''
https://www.google.com/search?ei=Np5bWsrdOa-U_QapsozABQ&q=university+teach+how+to+deal+with+been+white&oq=university+teach+how+to+deal+with+been+white&gs_l=psy-ab.3...11002.15514.0.16365.7.7.0.0.0.0.77.481.7.7.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.3.213...33i21k1j33i13i21k1.0.pmGCMkM4eno

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please ask Trump during his next presss conference whether Slovenia is a shithole?

Actually, no. It's a picturesque, safe and friendly country. Perfect for retirement, but for young people probably not.

Why don't young people like it there? I see a lot of Slovenians in their late teens-early 20s at our beach town every summer, working at the grocery stores, tourist shops, hotel pools, etc. Our neighborhood pool also hires them as lifeguards until the neighborhood college kids get home for the summer. Apparently there's a huge market for them to come to America and quite a few are interested in staying permanently if they can figure out a way to do so (i.e., fall in love quickly and marry an American citizen).

America offers more opportunities for young people. Same is happening in New Zealand - older folks love it, young people leave.

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You know 2 oncologists, and I employ nearly 200 immigrants from 37 shithole countries. Your oncologists were from the families who turned one if not two countries into shitholes.

You're a racist.

Only if you consider a black guy who employs people of every race a racist for telling the truth about the families of two oncologists. My oncologist is from Cameroon and i respect him as much as everyone who works for me. Please provide your next zinger. Just finished the NYT puzzle and need a chuckle.

If you don't comply with liberal agenda you are a racist anyway lol:

Oh, and a bigot, low brow, misogynist, sexist...umm, what else I am forgetting?...there you go - uneducated!

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And yet, Melania came to the US illegally.

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Anonymous wrote:Many Africans and Haitians are posting extensive defenses of their countries on Facebook. When asked why they left they'd countries, they answer a variant of what the US offers them. I find it interesting that they left countries but now jump to their defense.

Oh stop being disingenuous.

The president didn't say "there are serious problems in Hait and some African countries." If he had no one would have disagreed with that. Instead, he dismissed them with a vulgarity, and implied their inhabitants are not the sort of people we want in the US. Here's a hint: that's an insult.

How many Americans go ape-shit if people say anything negative about this country. How many times do you hear "leave this country if you don't like it" or "love it or leave it" or "my country right or wrong" -- just because someone dares to critique something about the US that can be improved?

Except that Trump, of course, can imply America's not great rignt now (MAGA) and these same people go wild with applause.

Ethiopia is a shithole. In fact the late Emperor Haile Selassie's head was stuff in a toilet full of shit when the opposition killed him. The Haitians and Africans posting on Facebook are defending the shithole countries they fled. Not disingenuous, simply reality. No one is leaving Norway because it's not a shithole. Few people immigrate from the US because it's not a shithold. Many people leave South Sunda, because it is a shithole Many people leave Equitorial Guinea because it is a shithole. If these places were so great, why would people leave them? No one can or will answer this question.

Spot-on. You're my new favorite poster.
We have friends who travel extensively throughout Europe. They were appalled by Trump's "shithole" comment, so we asked if they had ever considered traveling to Haiti or any African countries. Of course, their answer was no. "But why?" we asked. Crickets.

The only Americans I met in Haiti outside of Port au Prince were conservative Christian aid workers. In several African countries the Chinese are rebuilding the infrastructure to establish factories and shipping centers because Africans work for less than the Chinese. If they can continue the economic colonization in sub-Saharan Africa, fewer people may leave. Rwanda was a prime shitholeb following the genocide, now the Chinese have cleaned it up

I have wondered when that was going to happen. China's eventually going to run out of cheap labor as their standards of living grows so they are expanding to the last place where you can still find cheap labor and people willing to work for pennies.

This is exactly what happened in Taiwan and S. Korea. Remember a few decades ago when everything cheap was made in Taiwan or S. Korea? Labor costs there have sky rocketed and now they outsource their manufacturing to cheaper places like Cambodia and Vietnam.

the only way those manufacturing jobs will come back to the US is if our standard of living and labor costs are that of the 3rd world, ie, we become a sh1thole.

That's right and remember that Africa will have nearly half of the working age people by mid-Century.

I've wondered about that in the past.

Do African countries have the ability to get crop yields high enough to sustain that sort of population? I'm unsure actually given the lack of stability in Africa and inter-ethnic conflict.
Perhaps with Chinese colonialism it might work, unless the Chinese take those crops back home to feed their own population which is what they have been doing in Australia.

https://chinapower.csis.org/china-food-security/#toc-2

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Anonymous wrote:Many Africans and Haitians are posting extensive defenses of their countries on Facebook. When asked why they left they'd countries, they answer a variant of what the US offers them. I find it interesting that they left countries but now jump to their defense.

Oh stop being disingenuous.

The president didn't say "there are serious problems in Hait and some African countries." If he had no one would have disagreed with that. Instead, he dismissed them with a vulgarity, and implied their inhabitants are not the sort of people we want in the US. Here's a hint: that's an insult.

How many Americans go ape-shit if people say anything negative about this country. How many times do you hear "leave this country if you don't like it" or "love it or leave it" or "my country right or wrong" -- just because someone dares to critique something about the US that can be improved?

Except that Trump, of course, can imply America's not great rignt now (MAGA) and these same people go wild with applause.

Ethiopia is a shithole. In fact the late Emperor Haile Selassie's head was stuff in a toilet full of shit when the opposition killed him. The Haitians and Africans posting on Facebook are defending the shithole countries they fled. Not disingenuous, simply reality. No one is leaving Norway because it's not a shithole. Few people immigrate from the US because it's not a shithold. Many people leave South Sunda, because it is a shithole Many people leave Equitorial Guinea because it is a shithole. If these places were so great, why would people leave them? No one can or will answer this question.

Spot-on. You're my new favorite poster.
We have friends who travel extensively throughout Europe. They were appalled by Trump's "shithole" comment, so we asked if they had ever considered traveling to Haiti or any African countries. Of course, their answer was no. "But why?" we asked. Crickets.

Has our education system really failed to this extent?

Trump implied that the people coming from these countries have something wrong with them. That is vicious and untrue.

Sadly yes, our education system has failed. The way racism supersedes basic critical thinking skills in the minds of so many proves that out.

Our educational system is strained to the point of failure in many places because of the extremely large numbers of students for whom we're trying to provide the needed education to attend college and/or technical training while also providing special needs services, breakfast/lunch/snacks/weekend backpacks, counseling, psychological evaluations, medical treatment, after school care, music and art opportunities, second language instruction, etc. IT IS EXPENSIVE.

And then add in the liberal fight to provide sanctuary for illegal immigrants, and we have some schools where 1/3 of the students are ESOL. That comes with big costs - both quantifiable and unquantifiable.

1/3 ESOL? Bailey's 65.48 English Learner and 71.9 FRPM. http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:13:::NO:0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:103,0

Bailey's Upper School is over 68% LEP and 75.92% FRPM. The Minority Student Achievement 2017 report combines statistics on Black and Hispanic often combining white-Asian. Now when TJ is 75% Asian why are those combined?

Page 13 of 32 lists Hybla Valley at 91% Black and Hispanic. Now the real breakdown is 81% Hispanic , 5% Asian, 10% Black, 2 % white, etc.
65% Limited English Proficiency so if every Asian and Black student got LEP that still leaves 50%-remove white or other and the school hypothetically still has 47% Hispanic LEP .

So why is data combined on Black and Hispanic?

You might be happier with your fellow white supremecists in Montana.

Montana has rooms for steers and queers. Seems like thar latter suits you more

I am called a white supremacist etc for posting actual public school statistics? Honestly posters here don't care about our own citizens only illegal immigrants. I'm a Democrat and disgusted. Give me the accounting on where our money went in Haiti.

Explain why El Salvador is more important than my own people in Baltimore.

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Anonymous wrote:Many Africans and Haitians are posting extensive defenses of their countries on Facebook. When asked why they left they'd countries, they answer a variant of what the US offers them. I find it interesting that they left countries but now jump to their defense.

Oh stop being disingenuous.

The president didn't say "there are serious problems in Hait and some African countries." If he had no one would have disagreed with that. Instead, he dismissed them with a vulgarity, and implied their inhabitants are not the sort of people we want in the US. Here's a hint: that's an insult.

How many Americans go ape-shit if people say anything negative about this country. How many times do you hear "leave this country if you don't like it" or "love it or leave it" or "my country right or wrong" -- just because someone dares to critique something about the US that can be improved?

Except that Trump, of course, can imply America's not great rignt now (MAGA) and these same people go wild with applause.

Ethiopia is a shithole. In fact the late Emperor Haile Selassie's head was stuff in a toilet full of shit when the opposition killed him. The Haitians and Africans posting on Facebook are defending the shithole countries they fled. Not disingenuous, simply reality. No one is leaving Norway because it's not a shithole. Few people immigrate from the US because it's not a shithold. Many people leave South Sunda, because it is a shithole Many people leave Equitorial Guinea because it is a shithole. If these places were so great, why would people leave them? No one can or will answer this question.

Spot-on. You're my new favorite poster.
We have friends who travel extensively throughout Europe. They were appalled by Trump's "shithole" comment, so we asked if they had ever considered traveling to Haiti or any African countries. Of course, their answer was no. "But why?" we asked. Crickets.

The only Americans I met in Haiti outside of Port au Prince were conservative Christian aid workers. In several African countries the Chinese are rebuilding the infrastructure to establish factories and shipping centers because Africans work for less than the Chinese. If they can continue the economic colonization in sub-Saharan Africa, fewer people may leave. Rwanda was a prime shitholeb following the genocide, now the Chinese have cleaned it up

I have wondered when that was going to happen. China's eventually going to run out of cheap labor as their standards of living grows so they are expanding to the last place where you can still find cheap labor and people willing to work for pennies.

This is exactly what happened in Taiwan and S. Korea. Remember a few decades ago when everything cheap was made in Taiwan or S. Korea? Labor costs there have sky rocketed and now they outsource their manufacturing to cheaper places like Cambodia and Vietnam.

the only way those manufacturing jobs will come back to the US is if our standard of living and labor costs are that of the 3rd world, ie, we become a sh1thole.

Pretty much. Plus automation and 3D printing is going to kill manufacturing industry as well.

Unfortunately are politicians and mainstream media don't actually want to talk about the realities of late-stage capitalism and how Mining and Manufacturing jobs are not going to come back.

And unfortunately the jobs that we do have in abundance (retail, health care aides) are low prestige and low wage

and a lot of the home health aide workers are immigrants from sh1thole countries.

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Anonymous wrote:Many Africans and Haitians are posting extensive defenses of their countries on Facebook. When asked why they left they'd countries, they answer a variant of what the US offers them. I find it interesting that they left countries but now jump to their defense.

Oh stop being disingenuous.

The president didn't say "there are serious problems in Hait and some African countries." If he had no one would have disagreed with that. Instead, he dismissed them with a vulgarity, and implied their inhabitants are not the sort of people we want in the US. Here's a hint: that's an insult.

How many Americans go ape-shit if people say anything negative about this country. How many times do you hear "leave this country if you don't like it" or "love it or leave it" or "my country right or wrong" -- just because someone dares to critique something about the US that can be improved?

Except that Trump, of course, can imply America's not great rignt now (MAGA) and these same people go wild with applause.

Ethiopia is a shithole. In fact the late Emperor Haile Selassie's head was stuff in a toilet full of shit when the opposition killed him. The Haitians and Africans posting on Facebook are defending the shithole countries they fled. Not disingenuous, simply reality. No one is leaving Norway because it's not a shithole. Few people immigrate from the US because it's not a shithold. Many people leave South Sunda, because it is a shithole Many people leave Equitorial Guinea because it is a shithole. If these places were so great, why would people leave them? No one can or will answer this question.

Spot-on. You're my new favorite poster.
We have friends who travel extensively throughout Europe. They were appalled by Trump's "shithole" comment, so we asked if they had ever considered traveling to Haiti or any African countries. Of course, their answer was no. "But why?" we asked. Crickets.

Has our education system really failed to this extent?

Trump implied that the people coming from these countries have something wrong with them. That is vicious and untrue.

Sadly yes, our education system has failed. The way racism supersedes basic critical thinking skills in the minds of so many proves that out.

Our educational system is strained to the point of failure in many places because of the extremely large numbers of students for whom we're trying to provide the needed education to attend college and/or technical training while also providing special needs services, breakfast/lunch/snacks/weekend backpacks, counseling, psychological evaluations, medical treatment, after school care, music and art opportunities, second language instruction, etc. IT IS EXPENSIVE.

And then add in the liberal fight to provide sanctuary for illegal immigrants, and we have some schools where 1/3 of the students are ESOL. That comes with big costs - both quantifiable and unquantifiable.

1/3 ESOL? Bailey's 65.48 English Learner and 71.9 FRPM. http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:13:::NO:0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:103,0

Bailey's Upper School is over 68% LEP and 75.92% FRPM. The Minority Student Achievement 2017 report combines statistics on Black and Hispanic often combining white-Asian. Now when TJ is 75% Asian why are those combined?

Page 13 of 32 lists Hybla Valley at 91% Black and Hispanic. Now the real breakdown is 81% Hispanic , 5% Asian, 10% Black, 2 % white, etc.
65% Limited English Proficiency so if every Asian and Black student got LEP that still leaves 50%-remove white or other and the school hypothetically still has 47% Hispanic LEP .

So why is data combined on Black and Hispanic?

You might be happier with your fellow white supremecists in Montana.

Montana has rooms for steers and queers. Seems like thar latter suits you more

I am called a white supremacist etc for posting actual public school statistics? Honestly posters here don't care about our own citizens only illegal immigrants. I'm a Democrat and disgusted. Give me the accounting on where our money went in Haiti.

Explain why El Salvador is more important than my own people in Baltimore.

That sure was a hostile, accusatory response to your data, wasn't it? It's what Republicans have been subjected to for more than a year now. We can bring up valid statistics that show the overwhelming degree to which illegal immigrants are represented in some school systems, and talk about the cost to our own citizens and legal residents, and out comes the white supremacist card.

That's the problem in a nutshell. Far too many liberals (you excluded, obviously) care more about illegal immigrants than law-abiding, tax-paying citizens. It was the #1 reason Trump won, and liberals are doubling down on their losing argument.

[Anonymous]

Question: Is that map above showing most common jobs held by immigrants lumping the illegals in with legal immigrants? I'm assuming so, since other than a few states of college teachers, the jobs require no education above high school (and we are always told that legal immigrants are better educated than native-born.) Shouldn't these jobs be available for the 70% of Americans who do not have college degrees? And shouldn't the chart say ILLEGAL immigrants?

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Anonymous wrote:Question: Is that map above showing most common jobs held by immigrants lumping the illegals in with legal immigrants? I'm assuming so, since other than a few states of college teachers, the jobs require no education above high school (and we are always told that legal immigrants are better educated than native-born.) Shouldn't these jobs be available for the 70% of Americans who do not have college degrees? And shouldn't the chart say ILLEGAL immigrants?

Apparently, real Americans don't want those jobs. Trump himself said it's really hard to find low skilled workers as an excuse to bring in cheap (white) foreign labor on H2A visas, some of whom probably overstay their visas and become illegal immigrants.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-farmers-trump/trump-reassures-farmers-immigration-crackdown-not-aimed-at-their-workers-idUSKCN18B1BB

At a roundtable on farm labor at the White House last month, Trump said he did not want to create labor problems for farmers and would look into improving a program that brings in temporary agricultural workers on legal visas.

About half of U.S. crop workers are in the country illegally and more than two-thirds are foreign born..

During the roundtable, Luke Brubaker, a dairy farmer from Pennsylvania, described how immigration agents had recently picked up half a dozen chicken catchers working for a poultry transportation company in his county.

The employer tried to replace them with local hires, but within three hours all but one had quit, Brubaker told the gathering at the White House.

Same story plays out on farms across America.

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The only reason Slovenia is doing as well as it is now is because they are part of a very large trading bloc, 27 countries strong, where there is free movement of goods and people. So, to people who are saying how Slovenia is not a sh1thole, I hope you are advocating for free trade and open borders because without the open border, they'd still be a sh1thole after the USSR collapsed.