2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Posters are very angry at Disney for creating an attractive nuisance, luring the child out into the water at night without adequate signage, and knowing that gators live in the lagoon. That's not what happened.

Growing up near an amusement park, riders would occasionally die on roller coasters. Accidents happen. No one is furious at an amusement park when a roller coaster malfunctions or when someone dies. This was one of those same freak accidents, unanticipated by Disney or by the family. Horrific for the family, but not anyone's fault. An accident.

You are naive if you don't think the families involved in roller coaster accidents do not get paid.

Not first pp but agree with them. However, I also agree that Disney will pay this family regardless of whether Disney is at fault, but do you really think that family wants the money? The people focused on this aspect on it are the ones who are sick in my opinion

I also agree with the pp that there people want to blame Disney because the parents demographically match themselves as opposed to gorilla mom. Both cases are horribly similar, a parent of an active toddler gave the kid a little too much freedom (as we all do without having any bad consequences some high percentage of the time) and tragedy ensued. The parent didn't cause the ultimate result.

I have been to this "upscale Disney resorts." The sand on the beach is nice, the water is gross. I've never seen kids in the lake, particularly at night. People saying that kids were equally at risk on the sand are insane and must be the same ones who are saying the didn't know there were alligators at disney. Yes, alligators do sun themselves on land, but they hunt in the water.

It was a horrible horrible tragedy, but also a once in a lifetime accident.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry--that worry is also filled with brain eating bacteria. The parents were already playing with fire letting their child play in the water.

How would they know this? Plus, wading is not swimming. Anyone would have done the same thing. Of course there should be warning signs about gators. That poor, poor family and that poor child. I can't even think about it.

Ignorance isn't an excuse for doing something dangerous.

Wading in ankle deep water is not dangerous when you are from most parts of the world.

[Anonymous]

I still don't blame the parents at all, but every time I see that water I'm just amazed people could look at it and think it was safe to play in. Snakes, gators, bugs, etc. Maybe Disney also assumed that everyone understood you don't go in brackish freshwater ponds in Florida, particularly at night? I accept now that many people don't know this but until so many of you said you didn't I thought it was common knowledge, like don't stand under a tree or hold metal in a lightning storm. The no swimming signs if they're updated at all will need to list many reasons besides just gators why you shouldn't be in that water and I just have to think Disney until now held all those to be self evident.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry--that worry is also filled with brain eating bacteria. The parents were already playing with fire letting their child play in the water.

How would they know this? Plus, wading is not swimming. Anyone would have done the same thing. Of course there should be warning signs about gators. That poor, poor family and that poor child. I can't even think about it.

Ignorance isn't an excuse for doing something dangerous.

Wading in ankle deep water is not dangerous when you are from most parts of the world.

+1. Here's the photo a PP linked to, showing a little boy at the exact spot where Lane Graves was attacked, about a half-hour before that happened. Most people would not consider this to be a dangerous activity.

[Anonymous]

Disney will pay and pay big to keep this away from a jury. I am thinking that the settlement will clear 250 million. It's legal exposure in front of a jury would be untold billions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Posters are very angry at Disney for creating an attractive nuisance, luring the child out into the water at night without adequate signage, and knowing that gators live in the lagoon. That's not what happened.

Growing up near an amusement park, riders would occasionally die on roller coasters. Accidents happen. No one is furious at an amusement park when a roller coaster malfunctions or when someone dies. This was one of those same freak accidents, unanticipated by Disney or by the family. Horrific for the family, but not anyone's fault. An accident.

You are naive if you don't think the families involved in roller coaster accidents do not get paid.

Not first pp but agree with them. However, I also agree that Disney will pay this family regardless of whether Disney is at fault, but do you really think that family wants the money? The people focused on this aspect on it are the ones who are sick in my opinion

I also agree with the pp that there people want to blame Disney because the parents demographically match themselves as opposed to gorilla mom. Both cases are horribly similar, a parent of an active toddler gave the kid a little too much freedom (as we all do without having any bad consequences some high percentage of the time) and tragedy ensued. The parent didn't cause the ultimate result.

I have been to this "upscale Disney resorts." The sand on the beach is nice, the water is gross. I've never seen kids in the lake, particularly at night. People saying that kids were equally at risk on the sand are insane and must be the same ones who are saying the didn't know there were alligators at disney. Yes, alligators do sun themselves on land, but they hunt in the water.

It was a horrible horrible tragedy, but also a once in a lifetime accident.

Did you miss the link about another kid being bitten by a gator at disney?

The link also quoted a father who pulled his kid to safety as a gator quickly approached him on the shore.

At least the world now knows about disney's secret alligators. Nobody will go near those lagoons anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry--that worry is also filled with brain eating bacteria. The parents were already playing with fire letting their child play in the water.

How would they know this? Plus, wading is not swimming. Anyone would have done the same thing. Of course there should be warning signs about gators. That poor, poor family and that poor child. I can't even think about it.

Ignorance isn't an excuse for doing something dangerous.

Wading in ankle deep water is not dangerous when you are from most parts of the world.

+1. Here's the photo a PP linked to, showing a little boy at the exact spot where Lane Graves was attacked, about a half-hour before that happened. Most people would not consider this to be a dangerous activity.

Thanks! I'm the poster and don't know why but was having trouble with the link.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still don't blame the parents at all, but every time I see that water I'm just amazed people could look at it and think it was safe to play in. Snakes, gators, bugs, etc. Maybe Disney also assumed that everyone understood you don't go in brackish freshwater ponds in Florida, particularly at night? I accept now that many people don't know this but until so many of you said you didn't I thought it was common knowledge, like don't stand under a tree or hold metal in a lightning storm. The no swimming signs if they're updated at all will need to list many reasons besides just gators why you shouldn't be in that water and I just have to think Disney until now held all those to be self evident.

Lawyers hold nothing to be self evident. what did Disney know and when did they know it? Wrong answers and the verdict will be the largest inAmerican history believe you me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Disney will pay and pay big to keep this away from a jury. I am thinking that the settlement will clear 250 million. It's legal exposure in front of a jury would be untold billions.

Um no it would not, a jury would see there were signs and would still award some money for pain and suffering but not "untold billions."

Disney will give them under $25 mil.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still don't blame the parents at all, but every time I see that water I'm just amazed people could look at it and think it was safe to play in. Snakes, gators, bugs, etc. Maybe Disney also assumed that everyone understood you don't go in brackish freshwater ponds in Florida, particularly at night? I accept now that many people don't know this but until so many of you said you didn't I thought it was common knowledge, like don't stand under a tree or hold metal in a lightning storm. The no swimming signs if they're updated at all will need to list many reasons besides just gators why you shouldn't be in that water and I just have to think Disney until now held all those to be self evident.

Nope. It was a calculated decision by disney to forego posting warning signs.

I posted earlier a link to disney's signs on the beaches at their private island in castaway cay/bahamas. The signs are big, and they include a laundry list of dangerous sea life (sharks, sea lice, etc.). They are posted by every entrance/path to the beach.

If they are warning people about sharks---which is common knowledge---then why not gators? Particularly since nobody would expect to see a gator in a man made resort area or amusement park.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don't blame the parents at all, but every time I see that water I'm just amazed people could look at it and think it was safe to play in. Snakes, gators, bugs, etc. Maybe Disney also assumed that everyone understood you don't go in brackish freshwater ponds in Florida, particularly at night? I accept now that many people don't know this but until so many of you said you didn't I thought it was common knowledge, like don't stand under a tree or hold metal in a lightning storm. The no swimming signs if they're updated at all will need to list many reasons besides just gators why you shouldn't be in that water and I just have to think Disney until now held all those to be self evident.

Lawyers hold nothing to be self evident. what did Disney know and when did they know it? Wrong answers and the verdict will be the largest inAmerican history believe you me.

Who gives a shit what salivating lawyers hold evident? Disney did not know at that very moment that that particular gator was in that pond. People were told not to swim, if they did, it was against express warnings. The tragedy is terrible but it was not Disney's fault. No jury is going to bankrupt Disney because a natural predator got into a natural habitat and preyed upon a child who was in a foot of water against clear warnings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don't blame the parents at all, but every time I see that water I'm just amazed people could look at it and think it was safe to play in. Snakes, gators, bugs, etc. Maybe Disney also assumed that everyone understood you don't go in brackish freshwater ponds in Florida, particularly at night? I accept now that many people don't know this but until so many of you said you didn't I thought it was common knowledge, like don't stand under a tree or hold metal in a lightning storm. The no swimming signs if they're updated at all will need to list many reasons besides just gators why you shouldn't be in that water and I just have to think Disney until now held all those to be self evident.

Nope. It was a calculated decision by disney to forego posting warning signs.

I posted earlier a link to disney's signs on the beaches at their private island in castaway cay/bahamas. The signs are big, and they include a laundry list of dangerous sea life (sharks, sea lice, etc.). They are posted by every entrance/path to the beach.

If they are warning people about sharks---which is common knowledge---then why not gators? Particularly since nobody would expect to see a gator in a man made resort area or amusement park.

An island in the Bahamas is not the same as a brackish trash pond in Florida. Give me a break. You're trying to compare two disparate environments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry--that worry is also filled with brain eating bacteria. The parents were already playing with fire letting their child play in the water.

How would they know this? Plus, wading is not swimming. Anyone would have done the same thing. Of course there should be warning signs about gators. That poor, poor family and that poor child. I can't even think about it.

Ignorance isn't an excuse for doing something dangerous.

Wading in ankle deep water is not dangerous when you are from most parts of the world.

+1. Here's the photo a PP linked to, showing a little boy at the exact spot where Lane Graves was attacked, about a half-hour before that happened. Most people would not consider this to be a dangerous activity.

Except for the no swimming signs and boat traffic not captured by this picture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've never wanted to tell so many posters IHYDIAF on a forum before.
So many smug, self righteous assholes, it would take all night to reply to them all.
I'm sure this will get removed.
Don't care.
Have you people no shame?
This family has been destroyed.
Fuck. You. All.

Absolutely this.

I wish Jeff would lock this damn thread.

I'll just leave this here.


Ps- thank you to whoever posted some pictures of the location. It is very clear that the behaviors preceeding this event were extremely typical. Not out of the ordinary or obviously unsafe. Especially to people not from Florida.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don't blame the parents at all, but every time I see that water I'm just amazed people could look at it and think it was safe to play in. Snakes, gators, bugs, etc. Maybe Disney also assumed that everyone understood you don't go in brackish freshwater ponds in Florida, particularly at night? I accept now that many people don't know this but until so many of you said you didn't I thought it was common knowledge, like don't stand under a tree or hold metal in a lightning storm. The no swimming signs if they're updated at all will need to list many reasons besides just gators why you shouldn't be in that water and I just have to think Disney until now held all those to be self evident.

Lawyers hold nothing to be self evident. what did Disney know and when did they know it? Wrong answers and the verdict will be the largest inAmerican history believe you me.

God you are a sick person, and I say that as a lawyer.