2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort

[Anonymous]

Posters are very angry at Disney for creating an attractive nuisance, luring the child out into the water at night without adequate signage, and knowing that gators live in the lagoon. That's not what happened.

Growing up near an amusement park, riders would occasionally die on roller coasters. Accidents happen. No one is furious at an amusement park when a roller coaster malfunctions or when someone dies. This was one of those same freak accidents, unanticipated by Disney or by the family. Horrific for the family, but not anyone's fault. An accident.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Posters are very angry at Disney for creating an attractive nuisance, luring the child out into the water at night without adequate signage, and knowing that gators live in the lagoon. That's not what happened.

Growing up near an amusement park, riders would occasionally die on roller coasters. Accidents happen. No one is furious at an amusement park when a roller coaster malfunctions or when someone dies. This was one of those same freak accidents, unanticipated by Disney or by the family. Horrific for the family, but not anyone's fault. An accident.

You are naive if you don't think the families involved in roller coaster accidents do not get paid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Posters are very angry at Disney for creating an attractive nuisance, luring the child out into the water at night without adequate signage, and knowing that gators live in the lagoon. That's not what happened.

Growing up near an amusement park, riders would occasionally die on roller coasters. Accidents happen. No one is furious at an amusement park when a roller coaster malfunctions or when someone dies. This was one of those same freak accidents, unanticipated by Disney or by the family. Horrific for the family, but not anyone's fault. An accident.

You are naive if you don't think the families involved in roller coaster accidents do not get paid.

They are paid and the roller coasters are redesigned, fixed, or removed. Disney will pay and make changes. I'm just saying that this was a freak accident, not a miscalculation of a cost-benefit analysis by Disney.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well that child would have been eaten or drowned. It's plain irresponsible to let a 2 year old play near water unattended.

He wasn't unattended, and your victim blaming is disgusting.

The alligator isn't a perp, it's an animal. Leaving a child in or near water with being right there is a dangerous situation.

Disney created the danger with an illusion of a safe little man made beach.

It's a murky-ass lake in the dark in FL. It's not like we're in another reality once we enter Disney. But, if it makes you feel any better, I'd bet my entire life savings that this family will get an incredibly handsome payment from Disney.

Let me guess.

A) you do not have kids

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B) you have never stayed at an upscale Disney resort property.

I have a child and have stayed at many upscale resorts throughout the world. All regions have their challenges; it's my job to be aware of them. I would never assume any corporation in any country is going to watch out for my child more than I will.

But not the upscale Disney property resorts?

Because you sound like you have not and you do not know what you are talking about when you are blaming the parents.

What they did that night is exactly what hundreds, if not thousands of parents do every day at those Disney resorts as a direct result of the "magic" Disney works so hard to create at their resorts. That is why their signs were spread apart, did not indicate dangerous, aggressive gators in the water next to the shore line, and why they created beautiful beachfront recreation areas right on the water right around those lagoons, not at just the Polynesian but at all the lagoon front resorts. Dangerous animal signs interfere with the Disney created illusion and do not make everything feel like glitter and pixie dust.

Disney scheduled the nightime events on that waterfront area. Disney placed the chairs and cabanas near water they knew contained gators. Disney employees do not redirect guests away from that water, not the hundreds of guests letting their kids play at the edge or wading in the water, not during the day and not at night. Disney presents those beachfront sections as exactpy that, beaches, and they present them as safe by their actions, scheduled activities and lack of action when their many guests relax along that water area.

Disney does this because it is part of the very carefully crafted storyline they fill guests with from the momement they step on the Magic express bus to their hotel greeters, mouse shaped towles on the pillow at night, and their beautiful hotels with beautifully relaxing white sand beaches and beachfront cabanas.

People.posting who are from Florida all keep saying EVERYONE in Florida knows basic gator safety. Well, since they fire so many Americans in recent years, many Disney employees are NOT from Florida. They might not know the danger the gators pose. They might not be from countries where gator habits and gator safety are even a blip on the radar. They might see gators as intersting oddities, and might not have any understanding of their risks because they are also not from Florida.

Disney deserves blame for this. They should have posted gator signs along their waterways. They should have instructed their employees to redirect guests who come from all over the world away from being at the waters edge instesd of instructing them to look the other way so as not to disturb the "magic." And they should have been running PSAs every ten minutes or so in that damn Disney infomercial that runs around the clock on their hotel room TVs.

Having stayed at those waterfront resorts, I never in a million years would have thougt those Disney beaches and waterfront are unsafe and filled with gators. I am aware they are there in Flroda but my assumption was that disney has some sort of barrier in the water not far from shore at those specific beaches which Disney presents as being so safe and perfect for evening relaxing.

They create the illusion as being the ultimate and safest place to vacation with children, the most magic place on earth, where everyone can relax, let their guard down and just be a kid. Everything they do, every minute detail they work so hard to create, is centered on that image of "magic" for guests staying on property and especially in the upscale resorts.

They knew those waters had alligators. They scheduled night events on the water at all of those beaches, knowing there were alligators feeding at night. And they did not post signs letting people.know they might encounter alligators in that exact water and on that beach they scheduled nightly events on.


I guess gator infested water and alligator warning to guests just interfered too much with the Disney resort magic.

Dang you wrote a book! Nutty. How are you saying you stayed in Florida a LOT of times and you were never saw or were aware of all the reptiles wandering around? A story comes out EVERY DAY about an alligator found in a Florida swimming pool, backyard, eating a dog, or even found in a bathtub or toilet! EVERY DAY. I have witnessed a LOT of parents being negligent towards their kids. The last one was when I was exiting a restaurant and a little girl of about 3 or 4 yrs old ran out with me. THe mom was chatting away in the restaurant so the little girl goes to the curb of the street and wants to pass the street. The mom is still in the restaurant. I tell the dumb ass mom and it is only then she SLOWLY walks out to get her kid. Disney has been operating how many years? and a similar incident to this has not happened in a lagoon they had. Why? Because people may actually pay attention to the "no swimming sign" and not allow their baby to dip in the water.

[Anonymous]

It's been seven or eight years since I was last at Disney World. I remember seeing signs around our resort that said to watch out for gators. We were staying at the Shades of Green resort, which is near the Polynesian resort. I don't remember if I saw the "watch for gators" signs at the Polynesian, the Shades of Green, or both. Of course, they may have changed the policy since then and don't have the signs anymore. It was a little unnerving to see the signs and made us very very aware when outside and walking around the resort.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This discussion is very interesting to me. I am willing to bet that if these parents had been young and low/middle-low income, there would be a lot more criticism from DCUM.

Because the parents are older and more financially stable, you see yourselves in them and, therefore, they are given more credit.

Just an observation. Carry on...

Huh? We only learned about them in the last half of the day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Amen ^^^

Best legal brief presented on DCUM today

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Posters are very angry at Disney for creating an attractive nuisance, luring the child out into the water at night without adequate signage, and knowing that gators live in the lagoon. That's not what happened.

Growing up near an amusement park, riders would occasionally die on roller coasters. Accidents happen. No one is furious at an amusement park when a roller coaster malfunctions or when someone dies. This was one of those same freak accidents, unanticipated by Disney or by the family. Horrific for the family, but not anyone's fault. An accident.

Okay, this is as far as I get with this poster. Luring a 2 y.o. without adequate signage? Bitch please. Yes, there are 2 yo's who can sound out words with phonics. They are all on YouTube. This poor baby wasn't one of them. Neither were his "older, middle-class, whatever" parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's been seven or eight years since I was last at Disney World. I remember seeing signs around our resort that said to watch out for gators. We were staying at the Shades of Green resort, which is near the Polynesian resort. I don't remember if I saw the "watch for gators" signs at the Polynesian, the Shades of Green, or both. Of course, they may have changed the policy since then and don't have the signs anymore. It was a little unnerving to see the signs and made us very very aware when outside and walking around the resort.

Shades of Green is a US military owned and operated resort. Disney does not own or manage this property.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's been seven or eight years since I was last at Disney World. I remember seeing signs around our resort that said to watch out for gators. We were staying at the Shades of Green resort, which is near the Polynesian resort. I don't remember if I saw the "watch for gators" signs at the Polynesian, the Shades of Green, or both. Of course, they may have changed the policy since then and don't have the signs anymore. It was a little unnerving to see the signs and made us very very aware when outside and walking around the resort.

They definitely have signs warning about alligators at Shades of Green near their ponds.

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Anonymous wrote:Posters are very angry at Disney for creating an attractive nuisance, luring the child out into the water at night without adequate signage, and knowing that gators live in the lagoon. That's not what happened.

Growing up near an amusement park, riders would occasionally die on roller coasters. Accidents happen. No one is furious at an amusement park when a roller coaster malfunctions or when someone dies. This was one of those same freak accidents, unanticipated by Disney or by the family. Horrific for the family, but not anyone's fault. An accident.

You are naive if you don't think the families involved in roller coaster accidents do not get paid.

They are paid and the roller coasters are redesigned, fixed, or removed. Disney will pay and make changes. I'm just saying that this was a freak accident, not a miscalculation of a cost-benefit analysis by Disney.

That's to be determined via discovery the litigation context.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It blows my mind how many people apparently don't know that you shouldn't go into murky freshwater lakes in FL at night. I though was common sense you're just supposed to know like not using a hair dryer in the bath tub.

Blows my mind, too. The ignorance is quite frightening. Alligators are very popular animals and I assumed most people knew this basic shit.

Most people don't live in a place where they would need to know this basic shit.

[Anonymous]

A mom has posted pics of her son on same night in same area at Disney--not long before Lane Graves was grabbed by the alligator.


http://buzz.blog.ajc.com/2016/06/16/heres-where-la...nding-when-the-gator-attacked/

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Anonymous wrote:It blows my mind how many people apparently don't know that you shouldn't go into murky freshwater lakes in FL at night. I though was common sense you're just supposed to know like not using a hair dryer in the bath tub.

Blows my mind, too. The ignorance is quite frightening. Alligators are very popular animals and I assumed most people knew this basic shit.

Most people don't live in a place where they would need to know this basic shit.

+1

What other crazy Florida shit do tourists need to know? Don't go to nightclubs, don't wear hoodies, etc.

There should be a huge sign at the airport.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A mom has posted pics of her son on same night in same area at Disney--not long before Lane Graves was grabbed by the alligator.


http://buzz.blog.ajc.com/2016/06/16/heres-where-la...nding-when-the-gator-attacked/

http://buzz.blog.ajc.com/2016/06/16/heres-where-lane-graves-was-standing-when-the-gator-attacked/