2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't blame the parents at all, but every time I see that water I'm just amazed people could look at it and think it was safe to play in. Snakes, gators, bugs, etc. Maybe Disney also assumed that everyone understood you don't go in brackish freshwater ponds in Florida, particularly at night? I accept now that many people don't know this but until so many of you said you didn't I thought it was common knowledge, like don't stand under a tree or hold metal in a lightning storm. The no swimming signs if they're updated at all will need to list many reasons besides just gators why you shouldn't be in that water and I just have to think Disney until now held all those to be self evident.

Nope. It was a calculated decision by disney to forego posting warning signs.

I posted earlier a link to disney's signs on the beaches at their private island in castaway cay/bahamas. The signs are big, and they include a laundry list of dangerous sea life (sharks, sea lice, etc.). They are posted by every entrance/path to the beach.

If they are warning people about sharks---which is common knowledge---then why not gators? Particularly since nobody would expect to see a gator in a man made resort area or amusement park.

An island in the Bahamas is not the same as a brackish trash pond in Florida. Give me a break. You're trying to compare two disparate environments.

You are both correct and clueless.

Everybody on the planet realizes there are sharks in the ocean...all oceans...and especially in the Bahamas.

Very few people would imagine that man made lagoons by man made beaches at disney resorts where people are encouraged to gather have gators lurking nearby. That child could have been standing on the shoreline without touching the water and a gator could have snatched him...like in the link posted earlier where a father had to run and scoop up his kid on dry land near that lagoon when a gator quickly came out of nowhere.

Once disney posts real warning signs, nobody will set foot on that beach again.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't blame the parents at all, but every time I see that water I'm just amazed people could look at it and think it was safe to play in. Snakes, gators, bugs, etc. Maybe Disney also assumed that everyone understood you don't go in brackish freshwater ponds in Florida, particularly at night? I accept now that many people don't know this but until so many of you said you didn't I thought it was common knowledge, like don't stand under a tree or hold metal in a lightning storm. The no swimming signs if they're updated at all will need to list many reasons besides just gators why you shouldn't be in that water and I just have to think Disney until now held all those to be self evident.

Lawyers hold nothing to be self evident. what did Disney know and when did they know it? Wrong answers and the verdict will be the largest inAmerican history believe you me.

Who gives a shit what salivating lawyers hold evident? Disney did not know at that very moment that that particular gator was in that pond. People were told not to swim, if they did, it was against express warnings. The tragedy is terrible but it was not Disney's fault. No jury is going to bankrupt Disney because a natural predator got into a natural habitat and preyed upon a child who was in a foot of water against clear warnings.

A jury will absolutely sock it to Disney.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't blame the parents at all, but every time I see that water I'm just amazed people could look at it and think it was safe to play in. Snakes, gators, bugs, etc. Maybe Disney also assumed that everyone understood you don't go in brackish freshwater ponds in Florida, particularly at night? I accept now that many people don't know this but until so many of you said you didn't I thought it was common knowledge, like don't stand under a tree or hold metal in a lightning storm. The no swimming signs if they're updated at all will need to list many reasons besides just gators why you shouldn't be in that water and I just have to think Disney until now held all those to be self evident.

Nope. It was a calculated decision by disney to forego posting warning signs.

I posted earlier a link to disney's signs on the beaches at their private island in castaway cay/bahamas. The signs are big, and they include a laundry list of dangerous sea life (sharks, sea lice, etc.). They are posted by every entrance/path to the beach.

If they are warning people about sharks---which is common knowledge---then why not gators? Particularly since nobody would expect to see a gator in a man made resort area or amusement park.

An island in the Bahamas is not the same as a brackish trash pond in Florida. Give me a break. You're trying to compare two disparate environments.

You are both correct and clueless.

Everybody on the planet realizes there are sharks in the ocean...all oceans...and especially in the Bahamas.

Very few people would imagine that man made lagoons by man made beaches at disney resorts where people are encouraged to gather have gators lurking nearby. That child could have been standing on the shoreline without touching the water and a gator could have snatched him...like in the link posted earlier where a father had to run and scoop up his kid on dry land near that lagoon when a gator quickly came out of nowhere.

Once disney posts real warning signs, nobody will set foot on that beach again.

That's the rub.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't blame the parents at all, but every time I see that water I'm just amazed people could look at it and think it was safe to play in. Snakes, gators, bugs, etc. Maybe Disney also assumed that everyone understood you don't go in brackish freshwater ponds in Florida, particularly at night? I accept now that many people don't know this but until so many of you said you didn't I thought it was common knowledge, like don't stand under a tree or hold metal in a lightning storm. The no swimming signs if they're updated at all will need to list many reasons besides just gators why you shouldn't be in that water and I just have to think Disney until now held all those to be self evident.

Lawyers hold nothing to be self evident. what did Disney know and when did they know it? Wrong answers and the verdict will be the largest inAmerican history believe you me.

God you are a sick person, and I say that as a lawyer.

What, for thinking that Disney could have negligence exposure here? Did you skip torts class?

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't blame the parents at all, but every time I see that water I'm just amazed people could look at it and think it was safe to play in. Snakes, gators, bugs, etc. Maybe Disney also assumed that everyone understood you don't go in brackish freshwater ponds in Florida, particularly at night? I accept now that many people don't know this but until so many of you said you didn't I thought it was common knowledge, like don't stand under a tree or hold metal in a lightning storm. The no swimming signs if they're updated at all will need to list many reasons besides just gators why you shouldn't be in that water and I just have to think Disney until now held all those to be self evident.

Nope. It was a calculated decision by disney to forego posting warning signs.

I posted earlier a link to disney's signs on the beaches at their private island in castaway cay/bahamas. The signs are big, and they include a laundry list of dangerous sea life (sharks, sea lice, etc.). They are posted by every entrance/path to the beach.

If they are warning people about sharks---which is common knowledge---then why not gators? Particularly since nobody would expect to see a gator in a man made resort area or amusement park.

An island in the Bahamas is not the same as a brackish trash pond in Florida. Give me a break. You're trying to compare two disparate environments.

You are both correct and clueless.

Everybody on the planet realizes there are sharks in the ocean...all oceans...and especially in the Bahamas.

Very few people would imagine that man made lagoons by man made beaches at disney resorts where people are encouraged to gather have gators lurking nearby. That child could have been standing on the shoreline without touching the water and a gator could have snatched him...like in the link posted earlier where a father had to run and scoop up his kid on dry land near that lagoon when a gator quickly came out of nowhere.

Once disney posts real warning signs, nobody will set foot on that beach again.

Being utterly clueless doesn't't stop you, does it? The kid got attacked because he was in the water, he would not have been equally at trick on the sand, o

More than a "very few people" expect alligators to be in ponds in Florida.

Reading this thread makes me realize why there are so many deaths in the national park each year. People really think they have no responsibility for their own welfare.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't blame the parents at all, but every time I see that water I'm just amazed people could look at it and think it was safe to play in. Snakes, gators, bugs, etc. Maybe Disney also assumed that everyone understood you don't go in brackish freshwater ponds in Florida, particularly at night? I accept now that many people don't know this but until so many of you said you didn't I thought it was common knowledge, like don't stand under a tree or hold metal in a lightning storm. The no swimming signs if they're updated at all will need to list many reasons besides just gators why you shouldn't be in that water and I just have to think Disney until now held all those to be self evident.

Lawyers hold nothing to be self evident. what did Disney know and when did they know it? Wrong answers and the verdict will be the largest inAmerican history believe you me.

God you are a sick person, and I say that as a lawyer.

What, for thinking that Disney could have negligence exposure here? Did you skip torts class?

Because all tragedy means to you is dollar signs, those parents are mourning not strategizing with their legal team.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't blame the parents at all, but every time I see that water I'm just amazed people could look at it and think it was safe to play in. Snakes, gators, bugs, etc. Maybe Disney also assumed that everyone understood you don't go in brackish freshwater ponds in Florida, particularly at night? I accept now that many people don't know this but until so many of you said you didn't I thought it was common knowledge, like don't stand under a tree or hold metal in a lightning storm. The no swimming signs if they're updated at all will need to list many reasons besides just gators why you shouldn't be in that water and I just have to think Disney until now held all those to be self evident.

Lawyers hold nothing to be self evident. what did Disney know and when did they know it? Wrong answers and the verdict will be the largest inAmerican history believe you me.

God you are a sick person, and I say that as a lawyer.

What, for thinking that Disney could have negligence exposure here? Did you skip torts class?

Because all tragedy means to you is dollar signs, those parents are mourning not strategizing with their legal team.

I have no doubt they're in mourning but don't think that will prevent them from accepting a hefty pay out either.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry--that worry is also filled with brain eating bacteria. The parents were already playing with fire letting their child play in the water.

How would they know this? Plus, wading is not swimming. Anyone would have done the same thing. Of course there should be warning signs about gators. That poor, poor family and that poor child. I can't even think about it.

Ignorance isn't an excuse for doing something dangerous.

Wading in ankle deep water is not dangerous when you are from most parts of the world.

+1. Here's the photo a PP linked to, showing a little boy at the exact spot where Lane Graves was attacked, about a half-hour before that happened. Most people would not consider this to be a dangerous activity.

Except for the no swimming signs and boat traffic not captured by this picture.

You mean all the beach loungers that Disney has out there, as well as planned outdoor events where you watch from the shoreline.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't blame the parents at all, but every time I see that water I'm just amazed people could look at it and think it was safe to play in. Snakes, gators, bugs, etc. Maybe Disney also assumed that everyone understood you don't go in brackish freshwater ponds in Florida, particularly at night? I accept now that many people don't know this but until so many of you said you didn't I thought it was common knowledge, like don't stand under a tree or hold metal in a lightning storm. The no swimming signs if they're updated at all will need to list many reasons besides just gators why you shouldn't be in that water and I just have to think Disney until now held all those to be self evident.

Lawyers hold nothing to be self evident. what did Disney know and when did they know it? Wrong answers and the verdict will be the largest inAmerican history believe you me.

God you are a sick person, and I say that as a lawyer.

What, for thinking that Disney could have negligence exposure here? Did you skip torts class?

Because all tragedy means to you is dollar signs, those parents are mourning not strategizing with their legal team.

No, that's not all it means to me. I want to see this corporation punished so that a measure of justice can be given and it won't happen again. Rest assured that Disney is strategizing. Your use of the terms dollar signs and legal team is concerning.

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Anonymous wrote:Posters are very angry at Disney for creating an attractive nuisance, luring the child out into the water at night without adequate signage, and knowing that gators live in the lagoon. That's not what happened.

Growing up near an amusement park, riders would occasionally die on roller coasters. Accidents happen. No one is furious at an amusement park when a roller coaster malfunctions or when someone dies. This was one of those same freak accidents, unanticipated by Disney or by the family. Horrific for the family, but not anyone's fault. An accident.

You are naive if you don't think the families involved in roller coaster accidents do not get paid.

Not first pp but agree with them. However, I also agree that Disney will pay this family regardless of whether Disney is at fault, but do you really think that family wants the money? The people focused on this aspect on it are the ones who are sick in my opinion

I also agree with the pp that there people want to blame Disney because the parents demographically match themselves as opposed to gorilla mom. Both cases are horribly similar, a parent of an active toddler gave the kid a little too much freedom (as we all do without having any bad consequences some high percentage of the time) and tragedy ensued. The parent didn't cause the ultimate result.

I have been to this "upscale Disney resorts." The sand on the beach is nice, the water is gross. I've never seen kids in the lake, particularly at night. People saying that kids were equally at risk on the sand are insane and must be the same ones who are saying the didn't know there were alligators at disney. Yes, alligators do sun themselves on land, but they hunt in the water.

It was a horrible horrible tragedy, but also a once in a lifetime accident.

Your whole argument was debunked by the previous poster 06/16/2016 06:47. Kids wade into this water. No signs...

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Anonymous wrote:It blows my mind how many people apparently don't know that you shouldn't go into murky freshwater lakes in FL at night. I though was common sense you're just supposed to know like not using a hair dryer in the bath tub.

Blows my mind, too. The ignorance is quite frightening. Alligators are very popular animals and I assumed most people knew this basic shit.

Most people don't live in a place where they would need to know this basic shit.

I have never lived in a place where this is an issue so I don't know about this at all. I wouldn't wade in the water or let me kid do it at night but not because of fear of gators. I've traveled around the world and like to think I am knowledgable but I am one of the ones who don't know anything about this danger.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't blame the parents at all, but every time I see that water I'm just amazed people could look at it and think it was safe to play in. Snakes, gators, bugs, etc. Maybe Disney also assumed that everyone understood you don't go in brackish freshwater ponds in Florida, particularly at night? I accept now that many people don't know this but until so many of you said you didn't I thought it was common knowledge, like don't stand under a tree or hold metal in a lightning storm. The no swimming signs if they're updated at all will need to list many reasons besides just gators why you shouldn't be in that water and I just have to think Disney until now held all those to be self evident.

Lawyers hold nothing to be self evident. what did Disney know and when did they know it? Wrong answers and the verdict will be the largest inAmerican history believe you me.

Who gives a shit what salivating lawyers hold evident? Disney did not know at that very moment that that particular gator was in that pond. People were told not to swim, if they did, it was against express warnings. The tragedy is terrible but it was not Disney's fault. No jury is going to bankrupt Disney because a natural predator got into a natural habitat and preyed upon a child who was in a foot of water against clear warnings.

This was not a natural habitat. That pond was not created by nature. It was created by Disney. Every rock on the shoreline was place there by a Disney worker. But for Disney, that lagoon would not even exist. They have gates/fences/walls/whatever to keep people out. Yes, I would think that they would be able to keep gators out or at least post a sign that one may have gotten in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We are going to Disney this weekend. What are the odds that it won't be too crowded now?

Zero. People will still go.

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I wonder if BOTH kids were in the play pen and the 2 year old climbed out somehow. The parents thought he was safe ...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It blows my mind how many people apparently don't know that you shouldn't go into murky freshwater lakes in FL at night. I though was common sense you're just supposed to know like not using a hair dryer in the bath tub.

Blows my mind, too. The ignorance is quite frightening. Alligators are very popular animals and I assumed most people knew this basic shit.

Most people don't live in a place where they would need to know this basic shit.

I have never lived in a place where this is an issue so I don't know about this at all. I wouldn't wade in the water or let me kid do it at night but not because of fear of gators. I've traveled around the world and like to think I am knowledgable but I am one of the ones who don't know anything about this danger.

+ 1. The poster(s) who think that as part of a basic Civics class or something everyone is taught "shit you need to know about Florida" is such an idiot. If you haven't had reason to read about this or have experience in Florida or the south, you're not going to know about it.

Also, "it's not Disney" has become shorthand for acknowledging that unlike Disney nature is wild, and you need to respect it. It's common to assume that Disney has controlled the hell out of their environment, the way that national parks have not. In threads about zika, posters state that they're not concerned about zika at Disney, because Disney sprays the hell out of everything. Zika has threatened to shut down the Olympics, but it won't shut down Disney. Given that, it's not crazy for a tourist who has no knowledge of the ins and outs of Florida to assume that Disney is on top of any hazards, and that if there were alligators, Disney would post warnings.