Lebanon / Israel

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:You're giving a standing ovation to someone who is denying that people were raped on 10/7?

There were no “mass rape” events, and that’s not even disputed by Israel itself. Frankly, nobody - including the State of Israel itself - has produced credible evidence of ANY rape event on 10/7.

In further fact, the attempts by people like you to promote those lies have been blown sky by what have been revealed to be false stories in The NY Times, by victim families refuting the claims, and more. Again, zero credible evidence.

We don’t rely on the claims of organizations founded by child rapists like ZAKA or paid reporting conjured from thin air by Israeli government agents in our national print media to arrive at “facts”. The truth isn’t agenda-driven, unlike in Israel.

So, yes … and an encore standing ovation. The truth matters.

The truth is:

- you are trying to downplay the horror of 10/7, which is accurately described as a mass-kidnapping and mass-murder event largely targeting: a music festival;

- you are attempting to dismiss all claims made by the sovereign nation of Israel (claims verified by third parties in a transparent process) while takin as true, the completely unverified claims of Hamas - a designated terrorist organization.

Yes - facts matter, but you have failed to rely on facts and you dismiss the horror of 10/7.

You have zero credibility and should stop posting your pro-terrorist drivel.

"a mass-kidnapping and mass-murder event largely targeting: a music festival"

I don't deny the bolded above at all. I will, however, disagree with the rest of that quote. To my knowledge, as a Westerner, we have zero to scant, unreliable evidence that the music festival attacks were targeted, rather than just a matter of convenience. In point of fact, nearly 2/3 of the 10/7 deaths were security services, Shin Bet, police personnel, etc. Look it up. That's based on Israel's numbers, mind you. Therefore, Hamas killed civilians at roughly the rate of two civilians for every one "enemy combatant". Pathetically, Israeli has already gone on record as being proud as a peacock over their efficacy of two civilians for every one "enemy combatant" in Gaza.

So no ... you're the one with the credibility gap, which is true of all radical, extremist Zionists. But carry on with your fairytales and "good guy vs. bad guy" fantasies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s suppose that there was an impartial poll, whose side would majority of Americans be on?
Israel or Lebanon?

If they’re over 35, Israel

Yeah, pretty much.

Anyone trying to "explain" 9/11 and why Americans had it coming obviously wasn't a sentient human being in 2001.

I also think progressives over the past 20 years have been trying to frame everything into a racism/colonialism narrative. Whereas those who were alive in the 80s/90s and obviously older have a much more complicated and nuanced take on contemporary events.

They'd know, for instance, that most Lebanese despise Hezbollah. That Hezbollah is a militant Shi'a organization that exists to advance the interests of Iran. And that most Lebanese are either Sunni or Maronite Christian.

TBH, I think most Lebanese would be a-ok with the destruction of Hezbollah.

The original ask - "whose side would majority Americans be on? Israel or Lebanon? - just betrays a profound level of ignorance and awareness of the dynamics of the region. 99 percent of Sunni Arabs would be for the destruction of Hezbollah. A lot of Shi'a too. And definitely Maronite Christians.

And that's within Lebanon.

The entire premise of the question is wrong.

But the answer is Israel. The US will support Israel. Everyone hates Netanyahu - even the Israelis. But if you think Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Israel, US, UAE, and Kuwait are simply going to cede the region to Iran - not happening.

hallelujah. spot on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s suppose that there was an impartial poll, whose side would majority of Americans be on?
Israel or Lebanon?

If they’re over 35, Israel

Yeah, pretty much.

Anyone trying to "explain" 9/11 and why Americans had it coming obviously wasn't a sentient human being in 2001.

I also think progressives over the past 20 years have been trying to frame everything into a racism/colonialism narrative. Whereas those who were alive in the 80s/90s and obviously older have a much more complicated and nuanced take on contemporary events.

They'd know, for instance, that most Lebanese despise Hezbollah. That Hezbollah is a militant Shi'a organization that exists to advance the interests of Iran. And that most Lebanese are either Sunni or Maronite Christian.

TBH, I think most Lebanese would be a-ok with the destruction of Hezbollah.

The original ask - "whose side would majority Americans be on? Israel or Lebanon? - just betrays a profound level of ignorance and awareness of the dynamics of the region. 99 percent of Sunni Arabs would be for the destruction of Hezbollah. A lot of Shi'a too. And definitely Maronite Christians.

And that's within Lebanon.

The entire premise of the question is wrong.

But the answer is Israel. The US will support Israel. Everyone hates Netanyahu - even the Israelis. But if you think Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Israel, US, UAE, and Kuwait are simply going to cede the region to Iran - not happening.

You Israelis are living in a fantasy world. 97% of Lebanese hate the Israelis. That is from polling in Lebanon not your boys in the Israel circle jerk club. Israel continually kills over 800 a year, year after year in Lebanon. Just like they killed closed close to 1,000 a year in Gaza before Oct 7. Israel is killing innocent Lebanese and Hezbollah is fighting against the invade. The IDF kills 100-150 civilians in including children for every “militant”. The IDF preferred targets are areas with high civilian population, schools and hospitals.

The equivalent of what you are saying is like this. Hezbollah kills 600-800 Israelis a year for the past 30 years. Hezbollah invades Israel, destroys the IDF with huge civilian casualties and occupies a buffer zone between Lebanon and Israel in Israel. The Israeli general population despises the IDF and welcomes Hezbollah with beer and donuts.

Also the only age group with a majority that supports Israel is the 64 year plus group. The next age group is split 50/50 and all others have huge unfavorables for Israel.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The number of people who take a terrorist group at their word is unbelievable.

“But Hezbollah promised they’d stop! Why won’t you just believe them?!”

Americans have the luxury of naïveté. We are insulated by two oceans and friendly neighbors. People would think very differently if we shared multiple land borders with a population full of Muslim extremists who sympathize with the 9/11 attackers.

No, American naïveté comes from thinking 9/11 happened in a vacuum and they “hated us for ar’ freedom” rather than generations of belligerent US foreign policy leading to it. You’re the one who’s naïve. What year is it that you still think you can sell the BS you just wrote?

No, American naïveté is from not understanding that people like you support terrorism in order to achieve your policy aims. But hey, it’s all good since we’ll be greeted with virgins in eternal paradise, right?

Wait... you're going with like every cartoonish stereotype to then claim I support terrorism? What an unserious person you are. So you think me simply explaining why 9/11 actually happened, NOT defend it, I'm supporting what happened? Is that what you're reduced to at this point? Just thinking that if people don't go along with the propaganda surrounding why it happened and going along with your bigoted tropes, it's a defense of it? Should I buy freedom fries for you to prove my patriotism? Put a big ol' yellow ribbon on a gas guzzler for freedom...oh and "support the troops" because that's what the war was REALLY about.

Invading the homes of civilians and kidnapping and murdering them is terrorism.

I understand that you like to call it decolonization in order to appeal to gullible college students.

Are you saying the IDF and settlers never do that in the West Bank?

DP

You’ll get crickets or a circle jerk around how big, bad Iran is the REAL problem before you get a direct, honest answer to that question. These douchenozzles cosplaying a round table of FP wonks with their Iran, Iran, Iran obsession are just detritus of a bygone era when Israel was unbridled and Americans were useless idiots shoveling the propaganda into their own mouths.

[Anonymous]

Please take a minute to read about some of the civilians who have been killed in Lebanon this week. Entire families have been killed.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/family-bride-domestic-worker-toll-israeli-strikes-lebanon-2024-09-25/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s suppose that there was an impartial poll, whose side would majority of Americans be on?
Israel or Lebanon?

If they’re over 35, Israel

Yeah, pretty much.

Anyone trying to "explain" 9/11 and why Americans had it coming obviously wasn't a sentient human being in 2001.

I also think progressives over the past 20 years have been trying to frame everything into a racism/colonialism narrative. Whereas those who were alive in the 80s/90s and obviously older have a much more complicated and nuanced take on contemporary events.

They'd know, for instance, that most Lebanese despise Hezbollah. That Hezbollah is a militant Shi'a organization that exists to advance the interests of Iran. And that most Lebanese are either Sunni or Maronite Christian.

TBH, I think most Lebanese would be a-ok with the destruction of Hezbollah.

The original ask - "whose side would majority Americans be on? Israel or Lebanon? - just betrays a profound level of ignorance and awareness of the dynamics of the region. 99 percent of Sunni Arabs would be for the destruction of Hezbollah. A lot of Shi'a too. And definitely Maronite Christians.

And that's within Lebanon.

The entire premise of the question is wrong.

But the answer is Israel. The US will support Israel. Everyone hates Netanyahu - even the Israelis. But if you think Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Israel, US, UAE, and Kuwait are simply going to cede the region to Iran - not happening.

To Lebanese people, Hezbollah and Israel may as well be the same entity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're giving a standing ovation to someone who is denying that people were raped on 10/7?

There were no “mass rape” events, and that’s not even disputed by Israel itself. Frankly, nobody - including the State of Israel itself - has produced credible evidence of ANY rape event on 10/7.

In further fact, the attempts by people like you to promote those lies have been blown sky by what have been revealed to be false stories in The NY Times, by victim families refuting the claims, and more. Again, zero credible evidence.

We don’t rely on the claims of organizations founded by child rapists like ZAKA or paid reporting conjured from thin air by Israeli government agents in our national print media to arrive at “facts”. The truth isn’t agenda-driven, unlike in Israel.

So, yes … and an encore standing ovation. The truth matters.

The truth is:

- you are trying to downplay the horror of 10/7, which is accurately described as a mass-kidnapping and mass-murder event largely targeting: a music festival;

- you are attempting to dismiss all claims made by the sovereign nation of Israel (claims verified by third parties in a transparent process) while takin as true, the completely unverified claims of Hamas - a designated terrorist organization.

Yes - facts matter, but you have failed to rely on facts and you dismiss the horror of 10/7.

You have zero credibility and should stop posting your pro-terrorist drivel.

"a mass-kidnapping and mass-murder event largely targeting: a music festival"

I don't deny the bolded above at all. I will, however, disagree with the rest of that quote. To my knowledge, as a Westerner, we have zero to scant, unreliable evidence that the music festival attacks were targeted, rather than just a matter of convenience. In point of fact, nearly 2/3 of the 10/7 deaths were security services, Shin Bet, police personnel, etc. Look it up. That's based on Israel's numbers, mind you. Therefore, Hamas killed civilians at roughly the rate of two civilians for every one "enemy combatant". Pathetically, Israeli has already gone on record as being proud as a peacock over their efficacy of two civilians for every one "enemy combatant" in Gaza.

So no ... you're the one with the credibility gap, which is true of all radical, extremist Zionists. But carry on with your fairytales and "good guy vs. bad guy" fantasies.

There is only one group of good guys: the sovereign nation of Israel; the Jewish state.

Opposing them are only terrorists:

- Hamas: a designated terrorist organization
- Hezbollah, also a designated terrorist organization.

This could not be a more stark contrast. I support Israel.

Terrorists? They should be wiped out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The number of people who take a terrorist group at their word is unbelievable.

“But Hezbollah promised they’d stop! Why won’t you just believe them?!”

Americans have the luxury of naïveté. We are insulated by two oceans and friendly neighbors. People would think very differently if we shared multiple land borders with a population full of Muslim extremists who sympathize with the 9/11 attackers.

No, American naïveté comes from thinking 9/11 happened in a vacuum and they “hated us for ar’ freedom” rather than generations of belligerent US foreign policy leading to it. You’re the one who’s naïve. What year is it that you still think you can sell the BS you just wrote?

No, American naïveté is from not understanding that people like you support terrorism in order to achieve your policy aims. But hey, it’s all good since we’ll be greeted with virgins in eternal paradise, right?

Wait... you're going with like every cartoonish stereotype to then claim I support terrorism? What an unserious person you are. So you think me simply explaining why 9/11 actually happened, NOT defend it, I'm supporting what happened? Is that what you're reduced to at this point? Just thinking that if people don't go along with the propaganda surrounding why it happened and going along with your bigoted tropes, it's a defense of it? Should I buy freedom fries for you to prove my patriotism? Put a big ol' yellow ribbon on a gas guzzler for freedom...oh and "support the troops" because that's what the war was REALLY about.

Invading the homes of civilians and kidnapping and murdering them is terrorism.

I understand that you like to call it decolonization in order to appeal to gullible college students.

Are you saying the IDF and settlers never do that in the West Bank?

One of the many examples:

Just a few days ago, Well respected journalist Mujahed al-Saadi was taken from his home, beaten in front of his wife and kids, and taken to an Israeli prison known for human rights abuses and the deaths of several Palestinians since Oct. 7.

Al-Saadi was one of the journalists with Shireen abu Akleh when she was killed.

https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/journalist-mujahed-al-saadi-arrested

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're giving a standing ovation to someone who is denying that people were raped on 10/7?

There were no “mass rape” events, and that’s not even disputed by Israel itself. Frankly, nobody - including the State of Israel itself - has produced credible evidence of ANY rape event on 10/7.

In further fact, the attempts by people like you to promote those lies have been blown sky by what have been revealed to be false stories in The NY Times, by victim families refuting the claims, and more. Again, zero credible evidence.

We don’t rely on the claims of organizations founded by child rapists like ZAKA or paid reporting conjured from thin air by Israeli government agents in our national print media to arrive at “facts”. The truth isn’t agenda-driven, unlike in Israel.

So, yes … and an encore standing ovation. The truth matters.

The truth is:

- you are trying to downplay the horror of 10/7, which is accurately described as a mass-kidnapping and mass-murder event largely targeting: a music festival;

- you are attempting to dismiss all claims made by the sovereign nation of Israel (claims verified by third parties in a transparent process) while takin as true, the completely unverified claims of Hamas - a designated terrorist organization.

Yes - facts matter, but you have failed to rely on facts and you dismiss the horror of 10/7.

You have zero credibility and should stop posting your pro-terrorist drivel.

"a mass-kidnapping and mass-murder event largely targeting: a music festival"

I don't deny the bolded above at all. I will, however, disagree with the rest of that quote. To my knowledge, as a Westerner, we have zero to scant, unreliable evidence that the music festival attacks were targeted, rather than just a matter of convenience. In point of fact, nearly 2/3 of the 10/7 deaths were security services, Shin Bet, police personnel, etc. Look it up. That's based on Israel's numbers, mind you. Therefore, Hamas killed civilians at roughly the rate of two civilians for every one "enemy combatant". Pathetically, Israeli has already gone on record as being proud as a peacock over their efficacy of two civilians for every one "enemy combatant" in Gaza.

So no ... you're the one with the credibility gap, which is true of all radical, extremist Zionists. But carry on with your fairytales and "good guy vs. bad guy" fantasies.

There is only one group of good guys: the sovereign nation of Israel; the Jewish state.

Opposing them are only terrorists:

- Hamas: a designated terrorist organization
- Hezbollah, also a designated terrorist organization.

This could not be a more stark contrast. I support Israel.

Terrorists? They should be wiped out.

The Lunacy Act 1845 really did this ^^^ guy so wrong ...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please take a minute to read about some of the civilians who have been killed in Lebanon this week. Entire families have been killed.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/family-bride-domestic-worker-toll-israeli-strikes-lebanon-2024-09-25/

Firing rockets at civilian population centers has consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please take a minute to read about some of the civilians who have been killed in Lebanon this week. Entire families have been killed.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/family-bride-domestic-worker-toll-israeli-strikes-lebanon-2024-09-25/

Firing rockets at civilian population centers has consequences.

Why does that same logic not apply to Israel in your mind? Why are these other countries all held to a standard you refuse to hold Israel to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please take a minute to read about some of the civilians who have been killed in Lebanon this week. Entire families have been killed.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/family-bride-domestic-worker-toll-israeli-strikes-lebanon-2024-09-25/

Firing rockets at civilian population centers has consequences.

If the universe ever pivots to "just" mode, the blasé way you defend Israel's atrocities will hopefully ensure that your visit from the fates is no less consequential.

[Anonymous]

There is only one group of good guys: the sovereign nation of Israel; the Jewish state.

Opposing them are only terrorists:

- Hamas: a designated terrorist organization
- Hezbollah, also a designated terrorist organization.

This could not be a more stark contrast. I support Israel.

Terrorists? They should be wiped out.

Casualties of war/civilians/women/children be damned right??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

There is only one group of good guys: the sovereign nation of Israel; the Jewish state.

Opposing them are only terrorists:

- Hamas: a designated terrorist organization
- Hezbollah, also a designated terrorist organization.

This could not be a more stark contrast. I support Israel.

Terrorists? They should be wiped out.

Casualties of war/civilians/women/children be damned right??

Yeah because Hezbollah and Hamas never kill innocent people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There is only one group of good guys: the sovereign nation of Israel; the Jewish state.

Opposing them are only terrorists:

- Hamas: a designated terrorist organization
- Hezbollah, also a designated terrorist organization.

This could not be a more stark contrast. I support Israel.

Terrorists? They should be wiped out.

Casualties of war/civilians/women/children be damned right??

Yeah because Hezbollah and Hamas never kill innocent people.

Spoken like a true terrorist. Ew.