Lebanon / Israel

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Anonymous wrote:You're giving a standing ovation to someone who is denying that people were raped on 10/7?

There were no “mass rape” events, and that’s not even disputed by Israel itself. Frankly, nobody - including the State of Israel itself - has produced credible evidence of ANY rape event on 10/7.

In further fact, the attempts by people like you to promote those lies have been blown sky by what have been revealed to be false stories in The NY Times, by victim families refuting the claims, and more. Again, zero credible evidence.

We don’t rely on the claims of organizations founded by child rapists like ZAKA or paid reporting conjured from thin air by Israeli government agents in our national print media to arrive at “facts”. The truth isn’t agenda-driven, unlike in Israel.

So, yes … and an encore standing ovation. The truth matters.

The truth is:

- you are trying to downplay the horror of 10/7, which is accurately described as a mass-kidnapping and mass-murder event largely targeting: a music festival;

- you are attempting to dismiss all claims made by the sovereign nation of Israel (claims verified by third parties in a transparent process) while takin as true, the completely unverified claims of Hamas - a designated terrorist organization.

Yes - facts matter, but you have failed to rely on facts and you dismiss the horror of 10/7.

You have zero credibility and should stop posting your pro-terrorist drivel.

You can’t debate, that’s what it comes down to. All of what you wrote, is just gibberish and conjecture, nothing tangible. It’s why antiquated media is dying. people like you are at the helm and don’t have the guts to actually debate what you/they defend. You use hearsay and ignore the blatant lies told by Israel. Done with you. You’re another relic of a time when social media wasn’t around expose Israel for what it is withthe evidence to back it up. I’m sure people like Jake Tapper and Dana Bash are so ticked off that the beheaded babies lie was exposed because they can’t use that to further their propaganda.

DP: you’re laughable. You’re hanging your hat on social media as “proof” of what you believe.

Pathetic.

How old are you? What a childish response. You really think there’s no real journalism on social media? The very reason Dana Bash and Jake Tapper had to apologize to Tlaib is because while dinosaurs like you sit there watching them lie along with Johnathon Greenblatt on CNN, the very reporter who interviewed her called out those two out on social media and they had to retract on your antiquated source for news. Did you watch it, grandma?

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Anonymous wrote:The number of people who take a terrorist group at their word is unbelievable.

“But Hezbollah promised they’d stop! Why won’t you just believe them?!”

Americans have the luxury of naïveté. We are insulated by two oceans and friendly neighbors. People would think very differently if we shared multiple land borders with a population full of Muslim extremists who sympathize with the 9/11 attackers.

No, American naïveté comes from thinking 9/11 happened in a vacuum and they “hated us for ar’ freedom” rather than generations of belligerent US foreign policy leading to it. You’re the one who’s naïve. What year is it that you still think you can sell the BS you just wrote?

No, American naïveté is from not understanding that people like you support terrorism in order to achieve your policy aims. But hey, it’s all good since we’ll be greeted with virgins in eternal paradise, right?

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Correction, not apologize. They minimized their despicable lie and retracted, because they don’t have the basic decency to actually apologize for being racists and only retracted because the CNN legal team got to them

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Anonymous wrote:The number of people who take a terrorist group at their word is unbelievable.

“But Hezbollah promised they’d stop! Why won’t you just believe them?!”

Americans have the luxury of naïveté. We are insulated by two oceans and friendly neighbors. People would think very differently if we shared multiple land borders with a population full of Muslim extremists who sympathize with the 9/11 attackers.

No, American naïveté comes from thinking 9/11 happened in a vacuum and they “hated us for ar’ freedom” rather than generations of belligerent US foreign policy leading to it. You’re the one who’s naïve. What year is it that you still think you can sell the BS you just wrote?

No, American naïveté is from not understanding that people like you support terrorism in order to achieve your policy aims. But hey, it’s all good since we’ll be greeted with virgins in eternal paradise, right?

Wait... you're going with like every cartoonish stereotype to then claim I support terrorism? What an unserious person you are. So you think me simply explaining why 9/11 actually happened, NOT defend it, I'm supporting what happened? Is that what you're reduced to at this point? Just thinking that if people don't go along with the propaganda surrounding why it happened and going along with your bigoted tropes, it's a defense of it? Should I buy freedom fries for you to prove my patriotism? Put a big ol' yellow ribbon on a gas guzzler for freedom...oh and "support the troops" because that's what the war was REALLY about.

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Let’s suppose that there was an impartial poll, whose side would majority of Americans be on?
Israel or Lebanon?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this thread is derailing. Does anyone want to talk about the Israeli - Lebanese situation or just throw insults at one another?

Here are my other questions:

1) There is no precision targeting going on (I have seen this first hand from a friend with family in Lebanon. Why does the media keep referring to “Israel attacks Herbollah” when it’s “Israel attacks Lebanon”

2) how does Israel’s actions make me (a US Jew) safer? Just see all the anger the IdF killing has stirred up on the board

3) how does Israel’s actions bring the hostages home?

Israel has been incredibly precise by every measure and civilian casualties in Lebanon well below the accepted levels used by the US when it goes to war. Obviously, very civilian casualty is tragic. But no, a Hezbollah terrorist group member killed isn’t a civilian.

As for hostages, that’s on Hamas. Why does Israel have to do all the work for everything while the terrorist group Hamas has no accountability. Hamas could have returned hostages on October 8. It didn’t have to execute any of them. But it did. Stop holding Israel to an absurd standard that would never be applied to any other country in the world.

No one believes your Zionist propaganda any longer. Israel has developed quite an appetite for the indiscriminate killing of civilians all over the region. It is hated for good reason, and the leadership of Israel deserves to be detained, tried by international authorities, and punished appropriately. Netanyahu and his henchmen are criminals and should be dealt with as such.

DP

FTR, not a Zionist…just a cafeteria catholic American gal who recognizes that neck of the woods has been a powder keg for hundreds of years. My priority will always be America and our interests…including things like human rights, freedom of religion, democracy, rule of law, etc.

The reality is other Arab nations appreciate the role Israel plays. The civilized nations are covertly supporting Israel. Nobody wants Iran and its terrorist thugs. Nobody.

Lebanon and Gaza need leaders who embrace western values. And Israel needs new leadership as well. I suggest younger Gen X leadership—ideally people who went to Uni in the US or UK. Heck, wouldn’t it be great if we could wave a magic wand and install 3 women.

The official leaders of Lebanon and Palestine are less of the issue.

The problem is both places have been taken over by Iran proxy groups that are hellbent on destruction.

The Israeli government needs to be voted out and returned to a leftist leadership. Someone like Rabin.

Right.

So root out the terrorists, install new leadership in all 3 countries, and have a zero tolerance policy on religious extremism, militant groups, etc.

People need safety first. That takes enforcement coupled with leadership to implement western values. It will take a couple generations to change hearts and minds. Evolution is hard.

Put yourself in the shoes of a Lebanese citizen. Since you are posting on DCUM I will say you are a professional woman in her 40s with 2 kids. In Lebanon - an extremely cosmopolitan and educated country you would probably be in a similar situation. So let's say you are a doctor working in Beirut. Your parents have retired to an apartment community in the south after the government froze their assets in the bank a few years ago so they could life more frugally. Your parents' apartment has been blown up. You can't get in touch with them. You are frantic. Meanwhile your kids are not in school this week and are watching the news with their friends and getting more and more agitated. In fact, last night your teenage son told you he feels like he needs to do something to defend his country. At the same time you are treating a number of critically ill patients recovering from the pager attacks. Yes, a couple are men in their 30s, but there is also a child and a woman. It's not clear to you these are terrorists. Also, you remember sheltering in the basement of your building during the Civil war in the 80s and the sounds of the explosions on the news make you freeze in PTSD symptoms. You never hated Israel before but they are attacking you and your family NOW. You always admired the US (you've gone to visit your cousin who lives there several times and really enjoyed meeting her friends) but they are supplying the bombs that are attacking you NOW. And your cousin tells you the news media there is reporting that Israel is defending itself against Hezbollah...you are not Hezbollah so you cannot comprehend this is the view. You are scared. You are angry.

Considering all of this can you really not see the danger of what Israel is doing, let alone the inhumanity.

I know good people living in Lebanon, so I understand and empathize.

But I also know that Hezbollah has amassed an arsenal of weapons and has been firing missiles at Israel since October 8. The missiles are from Iran-backed factories in Syria. It’s not good. ICYMI: religious extremists backed by iran are the enemy…including to the people of Lebanon.

What’s your solution?

So if it's the "religious extremists backed by iran" that are the enemy, go after that. Right now Israel is killing non extremist Muslims (and Christians!) in Lebanon.

Not true.

They are targeting terrorists at sites where terrorists and their weapons are. Sadly, they are near civilians.

I don't blame you for thinking this because of the way our media is covering the event, but I have a friend from Lebanon and she has shared with me messages from her family and her friends family and you are not correct that Israel is only targeting terrorists.

Casualties of war are tragic. Israel has been far more careful about civilian casualties than Hamas and Hezbollah in terms of facts and approaches. Moreover, Israel has been far more conscientious than the west in terms of civilian casualties. But here again, Israel must be held to an impossible double standard because Jews.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s suppose that there was an impartial poll, whose side would majority of Americans be on?
Israel or Lebanon?

I’m behind Israel, but that doesn’t mean I’m against Lebanon. I’m against Hezbollah and Iran-backed terror groups. That’s the difference between those who back Hezbollah; they are against all Israelis. And ultimately anyone they see as “Zionist”.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s suppose that there was an impartial poll, whose side would majority of Americans be on?
Israel or Lebanon?

If they’re over 35, Israel

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s suppose that there was an impartial poll, whose side would majority of Americans be on?
Israel or Lebanon?

I’m behind Israel, but that doesn’t mean I’m against Lebanon. I’m against Hezbollah and Iran-backed terror groups. That’s the difference between those who back Hezbollah; they are against all Israelis. And ultimately anyone they see as “Zionist”.

If Israel can target things via beeper, why don’t they target all of Hezbollah in their sleep like they did in Iran with Haniyeh? Israel knows how to do targeted strikes but purposely kills civilians. It’s a way of promoting dominance but what they really are promoting is more terrorism, more anti Semitism, and more anti Americanism (for not condemning the strike or arming the strike).

This meets Israel’s policy objectives of not being the bad guy while being the bad guy. A foolish game but I’m Surprised they’re not tired of yet. Escalation dominance causes blowback and we saw that on 10/7. Decade long political and financial support of Terror groups (Hamas) causes blowback.

Why doesn’t Israel want to get along with its neighbors in the neighborhood they chose to permanently move to for safety? Do they not see they come off as war mongers? Lebanon was quite sympathetic to their cause in the beginning and didn’t even join the Arab war effort blaming Palestinians for not accepting immigration like they have but that’s largely changed. Lebanese people today no longer sympathize with Israelis or think they came in peace

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Anonymous wrote:The number of people who take a terrorist group at their word is unbelievable.

“But Hezbollah promised they’d stop! Why won’t you just believe them?!”

Americans have the luxury of naïveté. We are insulated by two oceans and friendly neighbors. People would think very differently if we shared multiple land borders with a population full of Muslim extremists who sympathize with the 9/11 attackers.

No, American naïveté comes from thinking 9/11 happened in a vacuum and they “hated us for ar’ freedom” rather than generations of belligerent US foreign policy leading to it. You’re the one who’s naïve. What year is it that you still think you can sell the BS you just wrote?

No, American naïveté is from not understanding that people like you support terrorism in order to achieve your policy aims. But hey, it’s all good since we’ll be greeted with virgins in eternal paradise, right?

Wait... you're going with like every cartoonish stereotype to then claim I support terrorism? What an unserious person you are. So you think me simply explaining why 9/11 actually happened, NOT defend it, I'm supporting what happened? Is that what you're reduced to at this point? Just thinking that if people don't go along with the propaganda surrounding why it happened and going along with your bigoted tropes, it's a defense of it? Should I buy freedom fries for you to prove my patriotism? Put a big ol' yellow ribbon on a gas guzzler for freedom...oh and "support the troops" because that's what the war was REALLY about.

Invading the homes of civilians and kidnapping and murdering them is terrorism.

I understand that you like to call it decolonization in order to appeal to gullible college students.

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Anonymous wrote:The number of people who take a terrorist group at their word is unbelievable.

“But Hezbollah promised they’d stop! Why won’t you just believe them?!”

Americans have the luxury of naïveté. We are insulated by two oceans and friendly neighbors. People would think very differently if we shared multiple land borders with a population full of Muslim extremists who sympathize with the 9/11 attackers.

No, American naïveté comes from thinking 9/11 happened in a vacuum and they “hated us for ar’ freedom” rather than generations of belligerent US foreign policy leading to it. You’re the one who’s naïve. What year is it that you still think you can sell the BS you just wrote?

No, American naïveté is from not understanding that people like you support terrorism in order to achieve your policy aims. But hey, it’s all good since we’ll be greeted with virgins in eternal paradise, right?

Wait... you're going with like every cartoonish stereotype to then claim I support terrorism? What an unserious person you are. So you think me simply explaining why 9/11 actually happened, NOT defend it, I'm supporting what happened? Is that what you're reduced to at this point? Just thinking that if people don't go along with the propaganda surrounding why it happened and going along with your bigoted tropes, it's a defense of it? Should I buy freedom fries for you to prove my patriotism? Put a big ol' yellow ribbon on a gas guzzler for freedom...oh and "support the troops" because that's what the war was REALLY about.

Invading the homes of civilians and kidnapping and murdering them is terrorism.

I understand that you like to call it decolonization in order to appeal to gullible college students.

And Lebanon and Hezbollah didn’t do any of that.

Hamas did. Israel is not serious about ending Hamas, their proxy to keep King Netanyahu and Likud in power in perpetuity

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Anonymous wrote:The number of people who take a terrorist group at their word is unbelievable.

“But Hezbollah promised they’d stop! Why won’t you just believe them?!”

Americans have the luxury of naïveté. We are insulated by two oceans and friendly neighbors. People would think very differently if we shared multiple land borders with a population full of Muslim extremists who sympathize with the 9/11 attackers.

No, American naïveté comes from thinking 9/11 happened in a vacuum and they “hated us for ar’ freedom” rather than generations of belligerent US foreign policy leading to it. You’re the one who’s naïve. What year is it that you still think you can sell the BS you just wrote?

No, American naïveté is from not understanding that people like you support terrorism in order to achieve your policy aims. But hey, it’s all good since we’ll be greeted with virgins in eternal paradise, right?

Wait... you're going with like every cartoonish stereotype to then claim I support terrorism? What an unserious person you are. So you think me simply explaining why 9/11 actually happened, NOT defend it, I'm supporting what happened? Is that what you're reduced to at this point? Just thinking that if people don't go along with the propaganda surrounding why it happened and going along with your bigoted tropes, it's a defense of it? Should I buy freedom fries for you to prove my patriotism? Put a big ol' yellow ribbon on a gas guzzler for freedom...oh and "support the troops" because that's what the war was REALLY about.

Invading the homes of civilians and kidnapping and murdering them is terrorism.

I understand that you like to call it decolonization in order to appeal to gullible college students.

And Lebanon and Hezbollah didn’t do any of that.

Hamas did. Israel is not serious about ending Hamas, their proxy to keep King Netanyahu and Likud in power in perpetuity

Hezbollah has been sending missiles to hit Israeli civilian population centers nonstop from 10/8.

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Anonymous wrote:The number of people who take a terrorist group at their word is unbelievable.

“But Hezbollah promised they’d stop! Why won’t you just believe them?!”

Americans have the luxury of naïveté. We are insulated by two oceans and friendly neighbors. People would think very differently if we shared multiple land borders with a population full of Muslim extremists who sympathize with the 9/11 attackers.

No, American naïveté comes from thinking 9/11 happened in a vacuum and they “hated us for ar’ freedom” rather than generations of belligerent US foreign policy leading to it. You’re the one who’s naïve. What year is it that you still think you can sell the BS you just wrote?

No, American naïveté is from not understanding that people like you support terrorism in order to achieve your policy aims. But hey, it’s all good since we’ll be greeted with virgins in eternal paradise, right?

Wait... you're going with like every cartoonish stereotype to then claim I support terrorism? What an unserious person you are. So you think me simply explaining why 9/11 actually happened, NOT defend it, I'm supporting what happened? Is that what you're reduced to at this point? Just thinking that if people don't go along with the propaganda surrounding why it happened and going along with your bigoted tropes, it's a defense of it? Should I buy freedom fries for you to prove my patriotism? Put a big ol' yellow ribbon on a gas guzzler for freedom...oh and "support the troops" because that's what the war was REALLY about.

Invading the homes of civilians and kidnapping and murdering them is terrorism.

I understand that you like to call it decolonization in order to appeal to gullible college students.

Are you saying the IDF and settlers never do that in the West Bank?

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s suppose that there was an impartial poll, whose side would majority of Americans be on?
Israel or Lebanon?

If they’re over 35, Israel

Yeah, pretty much.

Anyone trying to "explain" 9/11 and why Americans had it coming obviously wasn't a sentient human being in 2001.

I also think progressives over the past 20 years have been trying to frame everything into a racism/colonialism narrative. Whereas those who were alive in the 80s/90s and obviously older have a much more complicated and nuanced take on contemporary events.

They'd know, for instance, that most Lebanese despise Hezbollah. That Hezbollah is a militant Shi'a organization that exists to advance the interests of Iran. And that most Lebanese are either Sunni or Maronite Christian.

TBH, I think most Lebanese would be a-ok with the destruction of Hezbollah.

The original ask - "whose side would majority Americans be on? Israel or Lebanon? - just betrays a profound level of ignorance and awareness of the dynamics of the region. 99 percent of Sunni Arabs would be for the destruction of Hezbollah. A lot of Shi'a too. And definitely Maronite Christians.

And that's within Lebanon.

The entire premise of the question is wrong.

But the answer is Israel. The US will support Israel. Everyone hates Netanyahu - even the Israelis. But if you think Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Israel, US, UAE, and Kuwait are simply going to cede the region to Iran - not happening.

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Anonymous wrote:The number of people who take a terrorist group at their word is unbelievable.

“But Hezbollah promised they’d stop! Why won’t you just believe them?!”

Americans have the luxury of naïveté. We are insulated by two oceans and friendly neighbors. People would think very differently if we shared multiple land borders with a population full of Muslim extremists who sympathize with the 9/11 attackers.

No, American naïveté comes from thinking 9/11 happened in a vacuum and they “hated us for ar’ freedom” rather than generations of belligerent US foreign policy leading to it. You’re the one who’s naïve. What year is it that you still think you can sell the BS you just wrote?

No, American naïveté is from not understanding that people like you support terrorism in order to achieve your policy aims. But hey, it’s all good since we’ll be greeted with virgins in eternal paradise, right?

Wait... you're going with like every cartoonish stereotype to then claim I support terrorism? What an unserious person you are. So you think me simply explaining why 9/11 actually happened, NOT defend it, I'm supporting what happened? Is that what you're reduced to at this point? Just thinking that if people don't go along with the propaganda surrounding why it happened and going along with your bigoted tropes, it's a defense of it? Should I buy freedom fries for you to prove my patriotism? Put a big ol' yellow ribbon on a gas guzzler for freedom...oh and "support the troops" because that's what the war was REALLY about.

Invading the homes of civilians and kidnapping and murdering them is terrorism.

I understand that you like to call it decolonization in order to appeal to gullible college students.

And Lebanon and Hezbollah didn’t do any of that.

Hamas did. Israel is not serious about ending Hamas, their proxy to keep King Netanyahu and Likud in power in perpetuity

Hezbollah has been sending missiles to hit Israeli civilian population centers nonstop from 10/8.

Israel killed over 500 Lebanese this year before these recent events. This is actually low in terms of yearly kills by Israel in Lebanon. Hezbollah actually was created to fight Israel the last time they invaded and occupied Lebanon.