Canada Truck Convoy, what to think about it?

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if these “truckers” will convert to trumpist in prison?

Huh? Convert? They already are plenty Trumpy.

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Anonymous wrote:Large protest movements who plan to be in DC must apply for permission for a special event. Why? Because while protesting is a right, it is not an unqualified one. That is, the right to protest doesn’t supersede every other right for every other person. Other people in the city want to do other things. The point is, protests always must take place within the bounds of recognizing other rights and other people’s rights. There is no right to shutdown the world because you want to. That is not freedom.

I prefer the truckers’ approach. Screw your rules, we’re in charge. We will put the bounce house right over there.

Your approach is anarchy, not freedom. It is brute force over the law. You may like that approach now, but when it turns against you, who will you call? The police? Maybe you should respect society’s boundaries even when you wish they were otherwise.

If Canada was in the business of respecting society’s boundaries, the protest would have been unnecessary in the first place.

The protest was unneccessary.

I don’t think so. It sparked a pretty good 1000+ comment thread here about freedom vs. government authority. When is the last time that anything in Canada caused something like that?

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We also learned that some pp thinks truckers and essential staff should be jailed if they walk away from their jobs!!

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with all these cries for freedom is that the people calling for it don’t even understand it. In a society, freedom is not absolute - when does your freedom impinge on mine? Further, various freedoms oftentimes conflict. So, while it’s fine to protest, these truckers don’t have the right to indefinitely shutdown a city or a primary bridge because doing so deprives others of their rights, economic and otherwise.

Seriously think about the bolded. What right do you have to force labor?

If you don't want to work, then don't. But that doesn't give you the right to block a public street for weeks on end because you don't want to work.

What do you think happens when the truckers stop rolling?

Other truckers will pick up the slack these cowards left behind.

Ah the oh so brave keyboard warrior calling men cowards. Pathetic.

At least I can get a shot and wear a mask and not flip out over it and make other peoples' lives miserable about it. You don't need to drive an 18 wheeler to be brave. In fact, sometimes that's just a cover up for the wretched coward inside.

Lol….fool.

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Anonymous wrote:Vaccine mandates are a clear government power grab: the shut down and other mitigation policies are arbitrary and declaring the need for emergency powers makes no sense given the mortality rate of covid.

Please answer how you can justify the war on drugs and the creation of the DEA? How is that not much more of a “power grab” by the government? Why is THAT not your rallying cry but vaccines are?

NP. Current government isn’t enforcing any DEA law at the border.

Lies and snark are all you guys have. I dare you to try to cross the border with a cannabis plant in your car.

I notice none of you right wingers can explain this obvious contradiction. It’s almost like it’s not about “freedom” at all and really about culture war values and fascism.

Exactly. The commoner can’t cross with a cannabis plant yet the cartels cross with impunity, bringing in drugs, children for sex trafficking, and other illegal cargo.

Cartels have an entire DEA that exists to shut them down. Impunity? Do you really believe this? Delusional.

And yet? The DEA doesn’t seem to know how to do that.

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Anonymous wrote:WTF is wrong with America? Why are we discussing a group of goons who protested a policy in their country?

Maybe BCS Canadians are so snotty about the U.S? And the Trumpers and the 6th of January? Do you know that some of my Canadian friends asked me if I voted for Trump and told me that they could not see me if I did? That they are so civilized while some Americans were clearly nasty, racists?
And explained to me how horrified they were about what was happening in the U.S? And how terribly the U.S. was handling the pandemic when they were doing so awesome? Yep, they need to get off their high and mighty judgy horse.

AND?

The Trump lunatics storming the capitols has 59 pages and this one 69? What country do you care about? Yes, Jan 6th was way way more horrible and you should care more for that one in case you want to live in a functioning democracy than what Canada and Mexico is doing...

There’s a much bigger thread started on January 6 that’s 200+ pages. Plus many others. The one you’re talking about is just about the Congressional committee that’s investigating.

The fencing has returned around the Capitol. (The Truckers are coming to DC.)

You know these violent protesters in Ottawa? That had huge trailer truck and semis parked right in front of their Parliament? Yeah, so violent they are. I bet you American truckers will have some idea of what they can demolish with their trucks!

I can demolish a lot with my own SUV. I don’t. So no violence.

Hence my point. You choose not to as did they. I doubt those that think January 6th was just a joke share your pacifist behaviors.

Can you show me the video of the truckers demolishing anything, including Parliament?

No coffee yet for you?That is my point they did not demolish anything. But, what if some in the U.S. are not so peaceful? They stormed the Capitol on foot, after all!

What if they are? And what if you are wrong about 6th Jan?

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Anonymous wrote:Large protest movements who plan to be in DC must apply for permission for a special event. Why? Because while protesting is a right, it is not an unqualified one. That is, the right to protest doesn’t supersede every other right for every other person. Other people in the city want to do other things. The point is, protests always must take place within the bounds of recognizing other rights and other people’s rights. There is no right to shutdown the world because you want to. That is not freedom.

BLM and Antifa are calling

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Anonymous wrote:Large protest movements who plan to be in DC must apply for permission for a special event. Why? Because while protesting is a right, it is not an unqualified one. That is, the right to protest doesn’t supersede every other right for every other person. Other people in the city want to do other things. The point is, protests always must take place within the bounds of recognizing other rights and other people’s rights. There is no right to shutdown the world because you want to. That is not freedom.

I prefer the truckers’ approach. Screw your rules, we’re in charge. We will put the bounce house right over there.

Your approach is anarchy, not freedom. It is brute force over the law. You may like that approach now, but when it turns against you, who will you call? The police? Maybe you should respect society’s boundaries even when you wish they were otherwise.

If Canada was in the business of respecting society’s boundaries, the protest would have been unnecessary in the first place.

The protest was unneccessary.

Face it PP. You were owned. The sole reason for the protest is because of the severe restrictions.

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Anonymous wrote:Vaccine mandates are a clear government power grab: the shut down and other mitigation policies are arbitrary and declaring the need for emergency powers makes no sense given the mortality rate of covid.

Please answer how you can justify the war on drugs and the creation of the DEA? How is that not much more of a “power grab” by the government? Why is THAT not your rallying cry but vaccines are?

Prior poster here. I am all for legalization of drugs, especially for marijuana, which I believe causes less harm than alcohol. I think it would lead to more secure borders and ultimately it's up to the individual what she wants to put in her body.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with all these cries for freedom is that the people calling for it don’t even understand it. In a society, freedom is not absolute - when does your freedom impinge on mine? Further, various freedoms oftentimes conflict. So, while it’s fine to protest, these truckers don’t have the right to indefinitely shutdown a city or a primary bridge because doing so deprives others of their rights, economic and otherwise.

I just have to ask.....

Did you take the same stance during the protests and riots of the summer of 2020? Or, were those "righteous" and "good" and therefore, the closing of a highway or businesses are just the cost of supporting the cause?

DP.

1) they were protesting a murder by police
2) they were protesting. The rioting and fires etc were generally set by right wingers
3) they lasted a day here and a day there. It wasn't a sustained seige, except in portland and seattle where it turns out, yep, right wingers again.

1) maybe some of them were at least initially
2) cray cray conspiracy stuff
3) same

Looter Vuitton agrees with you. This was no innocent summer of love, and the looting continues

The people tweeting orders of things to loot for them at friendship heights stores were also "protesting"

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Anonymous wrote:Large protest movements who plan to be in DC must apply for permission for a special event. Why? Because while protesting is a right, it is not an unqualified one. That is, the right to protest doesn’t supersede every other right for every other person. Other people in the city want to do other things. The point is, protests always must take place within the bounds of recognizing other rights and other people’s rights. There is no right to shutdown the world because you want to. That is not freedom.

BLM and Antifa are calling

And when they protested, and Trump came out for his dumb photo op and upside-down Bible, the National Guard was called in, protesters were beaten, had tear gas grenades, rubber bullets, pepperballs and flashbangs used on them, and dozens and dozens of them were arrested by MPD, Secret Service and several other law enforcement agencies.

As such when the trucker convoy comes to DC it would be perfectly fair to call out the National Guard and every law enforcement agency, shoot rubber bullets and flashbangs at them, beat the truckers, gas them with OC grenades, shoot them with pepperballs, and arrest them by the dozens. Fair play.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with all these cries for freedom is that the people calling for it don’t even understand it. In a society, freedom is not absolute - when does your freedom impinge on mine? Further, various freedoms oftentimes conflict. So, while it’s fine to protest, these truckers don’t have the right to indefinitely shutdown a city or a primary bridge because doing so deprives others of their rights, economic and otherwise.

I just have to ask.....

Did you take the same stance during the protests and riots of the summer of 2020? Or, were those "righteous" and "good" and therefore, the closing of a highway or businesses are just the cost of supporting the cause?

DP.

1) they were protesting a murder by police
2) they were protesting. The rioting and fires etc were generally set by right wingers
3) they lasted a day here and a day there. It wasn't a sustained seige, except in portland and seattle where it turns out, yep, right wingers again.

1) maybe some of them were at least initially
2) cray cray conspiracy stuff
3) same

Looter Vuitton agrees with you. This was no innocent summer of love, and the looting continues

The people tweeting orders of things to loot for them at friendship heights stores were also "protesting"

2. Not cray cray conspiracy stuff, step away from garbage like Breitbart and read some actual news for a change. There were numerous arrests of Boogaloos who were organized and involved in many of the arsons and attacks on police precincts. There was also violence when right wing groups like Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer showed up to "counterprotest" using knives, fists, etc. Overwhelming majority (94%) of the BLM protests had ZERO reported violence or crime. Wasn't all outside right wing agitators though, because anarchist black bloc were also doing their own chaos which had nothing to do with BLM

3. The looting was mostly gangs and criminals, also had nothing to do with BLM other than opportunistic criming

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Anonymous wrote:We also learned that some pp thinks truckers and essential staff should be jailed if they walk away from their jobs!!

Nobody is being jailed. They are welcome to quit. They just don't want to.

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So, what charges can they keep the truckers in custody? Those that did not resist or have guns or organized it? Just those that sat and honked in their trucks?
Other than illegal parking?

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Anonymous wrote:We also learned that some pp thinks truckers and essential staff should be jailed if they walk away from their jobs!!

Nobody is being jailed. They are welcome to quit. They just don't want to.

Again, read the thread. One pp thinks that essential staff should be jailed if they quit.