Asian American student with 1590 SAT score blames affirmative action for rejections from 6 colleges

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I’m so sick and tired of Asians complaining about unfairness in America. When I look around my UMC neighborhood, Asians seem to be doing quite well. I wonder how well American students would fare in Asian schools or American workers in Asian corporations. Something tells me that it would be FAR worse for Americans in Asia than it is for Asians in America.

Americans are treated very well in Asians countries.

I’m a white American and experienced overt racism in Asia.

White Americans are usually treated very well in Asian countries.
Maybe you didn't respect the local culture or something.

Asian countries like Korea/Japan/China tend to discriminate South East Asians.

Is it “respecting the local culture” to whine when not accepted to colleges?

We should all respect the decision by the US Supreme Court at least if you are a citizen of the US.

DP. Regardless of the decision, I will never respect this bootleg, compromised, lying, corrupt, perjured-filled Roberts’ court. I pray I live long enough to see a SCOTUS that can be respected again. It’s not this court.

Some people here say that if you don't like the system here, leave?

Well unlike most people here, my family has roots in this country since the revolutionary war and ancestors who died in every war including Vietnam, and served in every war up to desert storm. Therefore I would tell those people to Fucck off.

Your ancestors stole the land from the American Indians.

My ancestors are a mixture of American Indians, African slaves and white slave-owners. What’s your point?

Impressive. Or do you mean 96% white, 2% Native American and 2% Black?

That’s your DNA, not mine. Stop projecting.

Whatever DNA you have, it doesn't make you a high lever citizen.

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I’m so sick and tired of Asians complaining about unfairness in America. When I look around my UMC neighborhood, Asians seem to be doing quite well. I wonder how well American students would fare in Asian schools or American workers in Asian corporations. Something tells me that it would be FAR worse for Americans in Asia than it is for Asians in America.

Americans are treated very well in Asians countries.

I’m a white American and experienced overt racism in Asia.

White Americans are usually treated very well in Asian countries.
Maybe you didn't respect the local culture or something.

Asian countries like Korea/Japan/China tend to discriminate South East Asians.

Is it “respecting the local culture” to whine when not accepted to colleges?

We should all respect the decision by the US Supreme Court at least if you are a citizen of the US.

DP. Regardless of the decision, I will never respect this bootleg, compromised, lying, corrupt, perjured-filled Roberts’ court. I pray I live long enough to see a SCOTUS that can be respected again. It’s not this court.

Some people here say that if you don't like the system here, leave?

Well unlike most people here, my family has roots in this country since the revolutionary war and ancestors who died in every war including Vietnam, and served in every war up to desert storm. Therefore I would tell those people to Fucck off.

Your ancestors stole the land from the American Indians.

My ancestors are a mixture of American Indians, African slaves and white slave-owners. What’s your point?

ok you are welcome to stay, but you should obey the laws of the US (i.e. decisions by the US Supreme Court)

that's it.

Are you an Asian chat bot? Serious question because your broken English short responses are almost a caricature of how an Asian would write.

The Supreme Court doesn’t make any laws…they interpret laws passed by Congress. The Supreme Court won’t make affirmative action illegal but simply tell the colleges that they can’t explicitly use race to satisfy their objectives (to the extent that they take a hardline interpretation).

There is magical thinking that anything the Supreme Court decides will drastically change Elite college admissions. It won’t.

You are getting delusional out of anger.
Nobody said The Supreme Court makes laws.
However I understand your anger.
Nobody should tell any US citizen to leave just because they don't agree with some parts of systems in the US.

The Supreme Court will say no more racial discrimination in college admissions.
We'll see how things progress and evolve.

Again the broken English. Again, the mentally unstable responses.

I doubt you are a US citizen.

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I’m so sick and tired of Asians complaining about unfairness in America. When I look around my UMC neighborhood, Asians seem to be doing quite well. I wonder how well American students would fare in Asian schools or American workers in Asian corporations. Something tells me that it would be FAR worse for Americans in Asia than it is for Asians in America.

Americans are treated very well in Asians countries.

I’m a white American and experienced overt racism in Asia.

White Americans are usually treated very well in Asian countries.
Maybe you didn't respect the local culture or something.

Asian countries like Korea/Japan/China tend to discriminate South East Asians.

Is it “respecting the local culture” to whine when not accepted to colleges?

We should all respect the decision by the US Supreme Court at least if you are a citizen of the US.

DP. Regardless of the decision, I will never respect this bootleg, compromised, lying, corrupt, perjured-filled Roberts’ court. I pray I live long enough to see a SCOTUS that can be respected again. It’s not this court.

Some people here say that if you don't like the system here, leave?

Well unlike most people here, my family has roots in this country since the revolutionary war and ancestors who died in every war including Vietnam, and served in every war up to desert storm. Therefore I would tell those people to Fucck off.

Your ancestors stole the land from the American Indians.

My ancestors are a mixture of American Indians, African slaves and white slave-owners. What’s your point?

ok you are welcome to stay, but you should obey the laws of the US (i.e. decisions by the US Supreme Court)

that's it.

Are you an Asian chat bot? Serious question because your broken English short responses are almost a caricature of how an Asian would write.

The Supreme Court doesn’t make any laws…they interpret laws passed by Congress. The Supreme Court won’t make affirmative action illegal but simply tell the colleges that they can’t explicitly use race to satisfy their objectives (to the extent that they take a hardline interpretation).

There is magical thinking that anything the Supreme Court decides will drastically change Elite college admissions. It won’t.

You are getting delusional out of anger.
Nobody said The Supreme Court makes laws.
However I understand your anger.
Nobody should tell any US citizen to leave just because they don't agree with some parts of systems in the US.

The Supreme Court will say no more racial discrimination in college admissions.
We'll see how things progress and evolve.

Again the broken English. Again, the mentally unstable responses.

I doubt you are a US citizen.

You must be a 90 years old bigot.

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I’m so sick and tired of Asians complaining about unfairness in America. When I look around my UMC neighborhood, Asians seem to be doing quite well. I wonder how well American students would fare in Asian schools or American workers in Asian corporations. Something tells me that it would be FAR worse for Americans in Asia than it is for Asians in America.

Americans are treated very well in Asians countries.

I’m a white American and experienced overt racism in Asia.

White Americans are usually treated very well in Asian countries.
Maybe you didn't respect the local culture or something.

Asian countries like Korea/Japan/China tend to discriminate South East Asians.

Is it “respecting the local culture” to whine when not accepted to colleges?

We should all respect the decision by the US Supreme Court at least if you are a citizen of the US.

DP. Regardless of the decision, I will never respect this bootleg, compromised, lying, corrupt, perjured-filled Roberts’ court. I pray I live long enough to see a SCOTUS that can be respected again. It’s not this court.

Some people here say that if you don't like the system here, leave?

Well unlike most people here, my family has roots in this country since the revolutionary war and ancestors who died in every war including Vietnam, and served in every war up to desert storm. Therefore I would tell those people to Fucck off.

Your ancestors stole the land from the American Indians.

My ancestors are a mixture of American Indians, African slaves and white slave-owners. What’s your point?

ok you are welcome to stay, but you should obey the laws of the US (i.e. decisions by the US Supreme Court)

that's it.

Are you an Asian chat bot? Serious question because your broken English short responses are almost a caricature of how an Asian would write.

The Supreme Court doesn’t make any laws…they interpret laws passed by Congress. The Supreme Court won’t make affirmative action illegal but simply tell the colleges that they can’t explicitly use race to satisfy their objectives (to the extent that they take a hardline interpretation).

There is magical thinking that anything the Supreme Court decides will drastically change Elite college admissions. It won’t.

You are getting delusional out of anger.
Nobody said The Supreme Court makes laws.
However I understand your anger.
Nobody should tell any US citizen to leave just because they don't agree with some parts of systems in the US.

The Supreme Court will say no more racial discrimination in college admissions.
We'll see how things progress and evolve.

Again the broken English. Again, the mentally unstable responses.

I doubt you are a US citizen.

You must be a 90 years old bigot.

No I is not…hope you understand as write in your speak

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I’m so sick and tired of Asians complaining about unfairness in America. When I look around my UMC neighborhood, Asians seem to be doing quite well. I wonder how well American students would fare in Asian schools or American workers in Asian corporations. Something tells me that it would be FAR worse for Americans in Asia than it is for Asians in America.

Americans are treated very well in Asians countries.

I’m a white American and experienced overt racism in Asia.

White Americans are usually treated very well in Asian countries.
Maybe you didn't respect the local culture or something.

Asian countries like Korea/Japan/China tend to discriminate South East Asians.

Is it “respecting the local culture” to whine when not accepted to colleges?

We should all respect the decision by the US Supreme Court at least if you are a citizen of the US.

DP. Regardless of the decision, I will never respect this bootleg, compromised, lying, corrupt, perjured-filled Roberts’ court. I pray I live long enough to see a SCOTUS that can be respected again. It’s not this court.

Some people here say that if you don't like the system here, leave?

Well unlike most people here, my family has roots in this country since the revolutionary war and ancestors who died in every war including Vietnam, and served in every war up to desert storm. Therefore I would tell those people to Fucck off.

Your ancestors stole the land from the American Indians.

My ancestors are a mixture of American Indians, African slaves and white slave-owners. What’s your point?

ok you are welcome to stay, but you should obey the laws of the US (i.e. decisions by the US Supreme Court)

that's it.

Are you an Asian chat bot? Serious question because your broken English short responses are almost a caricature of how an Asian would write.

The Supreme Court doesn’t make any laws…they interpret laws passed by Congress. The Supreme Court won’t make affirmative action illegal but simply tell the colleges that they can’t explicitly use race to satisfy their objectives (to the extent that they take a hardline interpretation).

There is magical thinking that anything the Supreme Court decides will drastically change Elite college admissions. It won’t.

You are getting delusional out of anger.
Nobody said The Supreme Court makes laws.
However I understand your anger.
Nobody should tell any US citizen to leave just because they don't agree with some parts of systems in the US.

The Supreme Court will say no more racial discrimination in college admissions.
We'll see how things progress and evolve.

Again the broken English. Again, the mentally unstable responses.

I doubt you are a US citizen.

You must be a 90 years old bigot.

No I is not…hope you understand as write in your speak

You is an old bigot who has never been outside of the country and has never learned to speak and write in another language."

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I’m so sick and tired of Asians complaining about unfairness in America. When I look around my UMC neighborhood, Asians seem to be doing quite well. I wonder how well American students would fare in Asian schools or American workers in Asian corporations. Something tells me that it would be FAR worse for Americans in Asia than it is for Asians in America.

Americans are treated very well in Asians countries.

I’m a white American and experienced overt racism in Asia.

White Americans are usually treated very well in Asian countries.
Maybe you didn't respect the local culture or something.

Asian countries like Korea/Japan/China tend to discriminate South East Asians.

Is it “respecting the local culture” to whine when not accepted to colleges?

We should all respect the decision by the US Supreme Court at least if you are a citizen of the US.

DP. Regardless of the decision, I will never respect this bootleg, compromised, lying, corrupt, perjured-filled Roberts’ court. I pray I live long enough to see a SCOTUS that can be respected again. It’s not this court.

Some people here say that if you don't like the system here, leave?

Well unlike most people here, my family has roots in this country since the revolutionary war and ancestors who died in every war including Vietnam, and served in every war up to desert storm. Therefore I would tell those people to Fucck off.

Your ancestors stole the land from the American Indians.

My ancestors are a mixture of American Indians, African slaves and white slave-owners. What’s your point?

ok you are welcome to stay, but you should obey the laws of the US (i.e. decisions by the US Supreme Court)

that's it.

I’m sorry but I don’t think you fully understand how the system works in this country. Just because the Supreme Court stops affirmative action, it doesn’t mean the universities won’t find other ways to fulfill their admissions goals.

They will move more towards economic aspects, which will achieve 80% of what they want, as over 50% of low income families in the US are black and latino. Ultimately what the T20 want (and many schools want) is to increase first gen students and lower income students to give them the opportunities in life. Still plenty of legal ways to do that without AA.
They will also just keep their final choices more nuanced....nobody is going to inspect yearly how schools provide admission. Yes, plenty of top Asians will still get denied, along with whites, blacks, latinos, and other groups. Because majority of students will get rejected.

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Anonymous wrote:The likability thing is probably one of those surveys where you choose an option. And then write about why you chose it. The interviewers could be be writing things that are underhanded. Or maybe just saying things like "Jane was rather polite" as opposed to "Jane was rather polished" make a big difference to the committees? I'm sure there is inside slang

What are you talking about??
The interviewers actually gave higher points to Asians students.
It was suddenly flipped big at the admissions committee.

We all know interviews are nearly irrelevant. Why do we expect the interview score to correlate with any other scoring? The AO says ‘unlikeable’ it’s based on essay or LOR and things the interviewer didn’t access. DP

And teachers and counselors can be biased against Asian Am. students, just like AO.

It's like heresay or gossip. They are categorizing these students as "likeable" based on someone else's feedback, which again, can be biased.

If you left a job where your immediate team members hated you for whatever reason, and your future employer sought feedback from your previous teammates, they would probably mark you as "not likeable". I'm sure that would not make you happy.

Then you don't use them as references, just like you only use teachers who like you and will give you a rave recommendation. Whomever you select to do your LOR, you are trusting they will give excellent ones. But someone else with good scores and good GPA may get a stellar recommendation that tips the admission choice to them. that is how life and the college admission process works. I cannot imagine suing because my kid did not get into a college (and my kids are asian). also cannot imagine suing because I didn't get along with someone on my team at a job---I would simply search for a new position within or at a new company. I don't sue a company because someone got a promotion over me, and likely got it because they are best friends with a higher up or their parents know upper management, etc. I recognize that while I have plenty of excellent connections in life and am privileged, that there are plenty more people who have even more privilege and connections.

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Anonymous wrote:Most astute observers believe that the SC decision will not ultimately change college admissions much. If the schools overtly disengage from racial proxies, studies show that blacks and Hispanics will lose out to whites and Asians. But, schools are likely to develop more ambiguous criteria that allow them to maintain the status quo or whatever profile they choose.

This^^^. The entire process can be ambiguous and universities will still accomplish what they desire. Fact is they do not have to supply admission criteria/data points for review. They will just ensure anything written down is "non discriminatory" Easy to do when most use 25-30 data points for deciding and only a few are cut and dry, and even then they are allowed to value a 1500 over a 1580 if the 1500 kid comes from an underprivileged environment.

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I’m so sick and tired of Asians complaining about unfairness in America. When I look around my UMC neighborhood, Asians seem to be doing quite well. I wonder how well American students would fare in Asian schools or American workers in Asian corporations. Something tells me that it would be FAR worse for Americans in Asia than it is for Asians in America.

Americans are treated very well in Asians countries.

I’m a white American and experienced overt racism in Asia.

White Americans are usually treated very well in Asian countries.
Maybe you didn't respect the local culture or something.

Asian countries like Korea/Japan/China tend to discriminate South East Asians.

Is it “respecting the local culture” to whine when not accepted to colleges?

We should all respect the decision by the US Supreme Court at least if you are a citizen of the US.

DP. Regardless of the decision, I will never respect this bootleg, compromised, lying, corrupt, perjured-filled Roberts’ court. I pray I live long enough to see a SCOTUS that can be respected again. It’s not this court.

Some people here say that if you don't like the system here, leave?

Well unlike most people here, my family has roots in this country since the revolutionary war and ancestors who died in every war including Vietnam, and served in every war up to desert storm. Therefore I would tell those people to Fucck off.

Your ancestors stole the land from the American Indians.

My ancestors are a mixture of American Indians, African slaves and white slave-owners. What’s your point?

ok you are welcome to stay, but you should obey the laws of the US (i.e. decisions by the US Supreme Court)

that's it.

Are you an Asian chat bot? Serious question because your broken English short responses are almost a caricature of how an Asian would write.

The Supreme Court doesn’t make any laws…they interpret laws passed by Congress. The Supreme Court won’t make affirmative action illegal but simply tell the colleges that they can’t explicitly use race to satisfy their objectives (to the extent that they take a hardline interpretation).

There is magical thinking that anything the Supreme Court decides will drastically change Elite college admissions. It won’t.

You are getting delusional out of anger.
Nobody said The Supreme Court makes laws.
However I understand your anger.
Nobody should tell any US citizen to leave just because they don't agree with some parts of systems in the US.

The Supreme Court will say no more racial discrimination in college admissions.
We'll see how things progress and evolve.

Most are simply stating, that there are univesrities around the world that provide admission based solely on gpa/test scores and those complaining are free to use those systems, since they are "so much better". Go spend 4 years getting your degree in china or India or Europe if those schools are "so much better due to their admission system".

[Anonymous]

Non-lawyers cavalierly throw around words like “discrimination.” Discrimination under the law is a technical thing. Most yappers on here have no idea what they’re talking about. They’re just stirring the pot.

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Anonymous wrote:Most astute observers believe that the SC decision will not ultimately change college admissions much. If the schools overtly disengage from racial proxies, studies show that blacks and Hispanics will lose out to whites and Asians. But, schools are likely to develop more ambiguous criteria that allow them to maintain the status quo or whatever profile they choose.

This^^^. The entire process can be ambiguous and universities will still accomplish what they desire. Fact is they do not have to supply admission criteria/data points for review. They will just ensure anything written down is "non discriminatory" Easy to do when most use 25-30 data points for deciding and only a few are cut and dry, and even then they are allowed to value a 1500 over a 1580 if the 1500 kid comes from an underprivileged environment.

It's hard to do things ambiguously when you receive 50K - 100K applications, and a group of underpaid AOs are not some executive decision makers.
You can't really possibly look at each individuals as a person.
You need some sort of systematic number system. That's why even Harvard had the scores.
There also might be whistle blowers if you keep racially discriminating. You can't really act like some sort of secret CIA operation.
I want more clear rules and transparency from colleges.
Anyone really want the opposite?

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DE&I sickos will never admit their policies are racist. It's as if they have some type of mental block or psychological problem that prevents them from understanding that these opportunities are finite and there is always someone on the other end being discrimated against.

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I’m so sick and tired of Asians complaining about unfairness in America. When I look around my UMC neighborhood, Asians seem to be doing quite well. I wonder how well American students would fare in Asian schools or American workers in Asian corporations. Something tells me that it would be FAR worse for Americans in Asia than it is for Asians in America.

Americans are treated very well in Asians countries.

I’m a white American and experienced overt racism in Asia.

White Americans are usually treated very well in Asian countries.
Maybe you didn't respect the local culture or something.

Asian countries like Korea/Japan/China tend to discriminate South East Asians.

Is it “respecting the local culture” to whine when not accepted to colleges?

We should all respect the decision by the US Supreme Court at least if you are a citizen of the US.

DP. Regardless of the decision, I will never respect this bootleg, compromised, lying, corrupt, perjured-filled Roberts’ court. I pray I live long enough to see a SCOTUS that can be respected again. It’s not this court.

Some people here say that if you don't like the system here, leave?

Well unlike most people here, my family has roots in this country since the revolutionary war and ancestors who died in every war including Vietnam, and served in every war up to desert storm. Therefore I would tell those people to Fucck off.

Your ancestors stole the land from the American Indians.

My ancestors are a mixture of American Indians, African slaves and white slave-owners. What’s your point?

ok you are welcome to stay, but you should obey the laws of the US (i.e. decisions by the US Supreme Court)

that's it.

Are you an Asian chat bot? Serious question because your broken English short responses are almost a caricature of how an Asian would write.

The Supreme Court doesn’t make any laws…they interpret laws passed by Congress. The Supreme Court won’t make affirmative action illegal but simply tell the colleges that they can’t explicitly use race to satisfy their objectives (to the extent that they take a hardline interpretation).

There is magical thinking that anything the Supreme Court decides will drastically change Elite college admissions. It won’t.

You are getting delusional out of anger.
Nobody said The Supreme Court makes laws.
However I understand your anger.
Nobody should tell any US citizen to leave just because they don't agree with some parts of systems in the US.

The Supreme Court will say no more racial discrimination in college admissions.
We'll see how things progress and evolve.

Most are simply stating, that there are univesrities around the world that provide admission based solely on gpa/test scores and those complaining are free to use those systems, since they are "so much better". Go spend 4 years getting your degree in china or India or Europe if those schools are "so much better due to their admission system".

Asians are fine with test optional and holistic admission.
They get better scores on ECs, interview, leadership, music, art, etc.
What they are not OK is racial discrimination.

There are plenty of other governments.
If you don't like the Supreme Court decision of this country, you can leave.

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Anonymous wrote:Most astute observers believe that the SC decision will not ultimately change college admissions much. If the schools overtly disengage from racial proxies, studies show that blacks and Hispanics will lose out to whites and Asians. But, schools are likely to develop more ambiguous criteria that allow them to maintain the status quo or whatever profile they choose.

This^^^. The entire process can be ambiguous and universities will still accomplish what they desire. Fact is they do not have to supply admission criteria/data points for review. They will just ensure anything written down is "non discriminatory" Easy to do when most use 25-30 data points for deciding and only a few are cut and dry, and even then they are allowed to value a 1500 over a 1580 if the 1500 kid comes from an underprivileged environment.

It's hard to do things ambiguously when you receive 50K - 100K applications, and a group of underpaid AOs are not some executive decision makers.
You can't really possibly look at each individuals as a person.
You need some sort of systematic number system. That's why even Harvard had the scores.
There also might be whistle blowers if you keep racially discriminating. You can't really act like some sort of secret CIA operation.
I want more clear rules and transparency from colleges.
Anyone really want the opposite?

Not really. I'm smart enough to recognize that when over 96% of applicants will be rejected, that means it is a Lottery for everyone, so apply/buy your ticket but also plan to be rejected and select several Targets in the 25-60 range that you love so you have a great place to ultimately attend. Nobody will ever be able to tell you "if you do/get A, b, c, D thru Z" we will guarantee you a spot. Or at least not at a T25 school. Try ones in the 80+ range and you can get that guarantee

Just accept the fact that over 95% are rejected at the T25 schools, so nobody is guaranteed a spot and nobody should go into it thinking, "I've done everything right now give me my admission ticket". That's not how it works, and it will never be like that.
Harvard (and the likes) will just remove any references that can be construed as AA, they will find a nuanced way to get the balance they want for their freshman class.
People really need to get over feeling they are entitled to a spot and that if they don't get it it is AA/racial. When 95% are rejected, there will be many who feel they are entitled to a spot and don't get it, does not matter their skin color. Yes, an AO can say "you are unlikeable, or not top Harvard material" based on the essays or LOR----it is really not much separating many from gaining admissions, yet fact is there are only going to be ~2K offers of admission and 50K+ will be disappointed.

I for one would not want to employee someone who feels the need to sue because they got rejected from a school that rejects 95%+. It's an attitude problem at that point---lack of resilience. and lack of awareness that makes them think "ivy or bust" when in reality they will excel at any school

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Anonymous wrote:Most astute observers believe that the SC decision will not ultimately change college admissions much. If the schools overtly disengage from racial proxies, studies show that blacks and Hispanics will lose out to whites and Asians. But, schools are likely to develop more ambiguous criteria that allow them to maintain the status quo or whatever profile they choose.

This^^^. The entire process can be ambiguous and universities will still accomplish what they desire. Fact is they do not have to supply admission criteria/data points for review. They will just ensure anything written down is "non discriminatory" Easy to do when most use 25-30 data points for deciding and only a few are cut and dry, and even then they are allowed to value a 1500 over a 1580 if the 1500 kid comes from an underprivileged environment.

It's hard to do things ambiguously when you receive 50K - 100K applications, and a group of underpaid AOs are not some executive decision makers.
You can't really possibly look at each individuals as a person.
You need some sort of systematic number system. That's why even Harvard had the scores.
There also might be whistle blowers if you keep racially discriminating. You can't really act like some sort of secret CIA operation.
I want more clear rules and transparency from colleges.
Anyone really want the opposite?

Not really. I'm smart enough to recognize that when over 96% of applicants will be rejected, that means it is a Lottery for everyone, so apply/buy your ticket but also plan to be rejected and select several Targets in the 25-60 range that you love so you have a great place to ultimately attend. Nobody will ever be able to tell you "if you do/get A, b, c, D thru Z" we will guarantee you a spot. Or at least not at a T25 school. Try ones in the 80+ range and you can get that guarantee

Just accept the fact that over 95% are rejected at the T25 schools, so nobody is guaranteed a spot and nobody should go into it thinking, "I've done everything right now give me my admission ticket". That's not how it works, and it will never be like that.
Harvard (and the likes) will just remove any references that can be construed as AA, they will find a nuanced way to get the balance they want for their freshman class.
People really need to get over feeling they are entitled to a spot and that if they don't get it it is AA/racial. When 95% are rejected, there will be many who feel they are entitled to a spot and don't get it, does not matter their skin color. Yes, an AO can say "you are unlikeable, or not top Harvard material" based on the essays or LOR----it is really not much separating many from gaining admissions, yet fact is there are only going to be ~2K offers of admission and 50K+ will be disappointed.

I for one would not want to employee someone who feels the need to sue because they got rejected from a school that rejects 95%+. It's an attitude problem at that point---lack of resilience. and lack of awareness that makes them think "ivy or bust" when in reality they will excel at any school

All sound ok except that there was clear indication of racial discrimination.
People rightfully got upset by that.
We'll have a decision soon.