Asian American student with 1590 SAT score blames affirmative action for rejections from 6 colleges

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Anonymous wrote:Most astute observers believe that the SC decision will not ultimately change college admissions much. If the schools overtly disengage from racial proxies, studies show that blacks and Hispanics will lose out to whites and Asians. But, schools are likely to develop more ambiguous criteria that allow them to maintain the status quo or whatever profile they choose.

This^^^. The entire process can be ambiguous and universities will still accomplish what they desire. Fact is they do not have to supply admission criteria/data points for review. They will just ensure anything written down is "non discriminatory" Easy to do when most use 25-30 data points for deciding and only a few are cut and dry, and even then they are allowed to value a 1500 over a 1580 if the 1500 kid comes from an underprivileged environment.

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How can people be so stubborn, hard headed and refuse to accept the facts - and they think they are "better" students? When you don't even understand a simple process? GMAB.

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I’m so sick and tired of Asians complaining about unfairness in America. When I look around my UMC neighborhood, Asians seem to be doing quite well. I wonder how well American students would fare in Asian schools or American workers in Asian corporations. Something tells me that it would be FAR worse for Americans in Asia than it is for Asians in America.

Americans are treated very well in Asians countries.

I’m a white American and experienced overt racism in Asia.

White Americans are usually treated very well in Asian countries.
Maybe you didn't respect the local culture or something.

Asian countries like Korea/Japan/China tend to discriminate South East Asians.

Is it “respecting the local culture” to whine when not accepted to colleges?

We should all respect the decision by the US Supreme Court at least if you are a citizen of the US.

DP. Regardless of the decision, I will never respect this bootleg, compromised, lying, corrupt, perjured-filled Roberts’ court. I pray I live long enough to see a SCOTUS that can be respected again. It’s not this court.

Some people here say that if you don't like the system here, leave?

Well unlike most people here, my family has roots in this country since the revolutionary war and ancestors who died in every war including Vietnam, and served in every war up to desert storm. Therefore I would tell those people to Fucck off.

Your ancestors stole the land from the American Indians.

My ancestors are a mixture of American Indians, African slaves and white slave-owners. What’s your point?

ok you are welcome to stay, but you should obey the laws of the US (i.e. decisions by the US Supreme Court)

that's it.

Are you an Asian chat bot? Serious question because your broken English short responses are almost a caricature of how an Asian would write.

The Supreme Court doesn’t make any laws…they interpret laws passed by Congress. The Supreme Court won’t make affirmative action illegal but simply tell the colleges that they can’t explicitly use race to satisfy their objectives (to the extent that they take a hardline interpretation).

There is magical thinking that anything the Supreme Court decides will drastically change Elite college admissions. It won’t.

You are getting delusional out of anger.
Nobody said The Supreme Court makes laws.
However I understand your anger.
Nobody should tell any US citizen to leave just because they don't agree with some parts of systems in the US.

The Supreme Court will say no more racial discrimination in college admissions.
We'll see how things progress and evolve.

Again the broken English. Again, the mentally unstable responses.

I doubt you are a US citizen.

You must be a 90 years old bigot.

No I is not…hope you understand as write in your speak

You is an old bigot who has never been outside of the country and has never learned to speak and write in another language."

Welp, now we understand why it is "STEM or bust" and not "law school or bust"!

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Maybe educate yourself and better understand America's history, before you start bringing lawsuits.

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Anonymous wrote:Non-lawyers cavalierly throw around words like “discrimination.” Discrimination under the law is a technical thing. Most yappers on here have no idea what they’re talking about. They’re just stirring the pot.

Another thing non-lawyers don’t seem to understand is that values - like merit, race, and fairness - can be in conflict. In those cases, the values must be weighted within context. A lot of posters seem to think that the law is a binary, yes/no machine. If you think that, you’ll probably be disappointed with the Court’s decision and/or institutional responses to it.

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Looks very much like racial discrimination against Asian students.

We'll see the outcome from the US Supreme Court.

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I’m so sick and tired of Asians complaining about unfairness in America. When I look around my UMC neighborhood, Asians seem to be doing quite well. I wonder how well American students would fare in Asian schools or American workers in Asian corporations. Something tells me that it would be FAR worse for Americans in Asia than it is for Asians in America.

Americans are treated very well in Asians countries.

I’m a white American and experienced overt racism in Asia.

White Americans are usually treated very well in Asian countries.
Maybe you didn't respect the local culture or something.

Asian countries like Korea/Japan/China tend to discriminate South East Asians.

I’m the person you were asking if I respected the culture. Very much so as learning the culture was the reason I went on the trip. In one instance, we merely went into a restaurant and were told it was “not for people like us” and we had to leave.

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Looks very much like racial discrimination against Asian students.

We'll see the outcome from the US Supreme Court.

This is so telling to me because the chart is Asians vs whites but yet whenever it's discussed about who is taking Asian spots (and yes that's how it comes across) it's all the undeserving other minorities like black kids. Again looking at ONLY white vs Asian kid in this chart that you have references 100x in these discussion. And the alumni interviewers are that different nor are the guidance counselors.

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Anonymous wrote:The likability thing is probably one of those surveys where you choose an option. And then write about why you chose it. The interviewers could be be writing things that are underhanded. Or maybe just saying things like "Jane was rather polite" as opposed to "Jane was rather polished" make a big difference to the committees? I'm sure there is inside slang

What are you talking about??
The interviewers actually gave higher points to Asians students.
It was suddenly flipped big at the admissions committee.

We all know interviews are nearly irrelevant. Why do we expect the interview score to correlate with any other scoring? The AO says ‘unlikeable’ it’s based on essay or LOR and things the interviewer didn’t access. DP

And teachers and counselors can be biased against Asian Am. students, just like AO.

It's like heresay or gossip. They are categorizing these students as "likeable" based on someone else's feedback, which again, can be biased.

If you left a job where your immediate team members hated you for whatever reason, and your future employer sought feedback from your previous teammates, they would probably mark you as "not likeable". I'm sure that would not make you happy.

Then you don't use them as references, just like you only use teachers who like you and will give you a rave recommendation. Whomever you select to do your LOR, you are trusting they will give excellent ones. But someone else with good scores and good GPA may get a stellar recommendation that tips the admission choice to them. that is how life and the college admission process works. I cannot imagine suing because my kid did not get into a college (and my kids are asian). also cannot imagine suing because I didn't get along with someone on my team at a job---I would simply search for a new position within or at a new company. I don't sue a company because someone got a promotion over me, and likely got it because they are best friends with a higher up or their parents know upper management, etc. I recognize that while I have plenty of excellent connections in life and am privileged, that there are plenty more people who have even more privilege and connections.

We don't even know if those LORs indicate that the student is "not likeable". I don't necessarily agree with this person's lawsuit, but the low likeability score without having met the applicant really does seem like discrimination. We know that Harvard used this as a way to reduce the number of Jews. It appears that they are doing the same to Asian Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:Most astute observers believe that the SC decision will not ultimately change college admissions much. If the schools overtly disengage from racial proxies, studies show that blacks and Hispanics will lose out to whites and Asians. But, schools are likely to develop more ambiguous criteria that allow them to maintain the status quo or whatever profile they choose.

Yes, if they simply use SES as a proxy, they can easily keep the diversity. And I think most people are fine with SES affirmative action, but not by race.

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Looks very much like racial discrimination against Asian students.

We'll see the outcome from the US Supreme Court.

This is so telling to me because the chart is Asians vs whites but yet whenever it's discussed about who is taking Asian spots (and yes that's how it comes across) it's all the undeserving other minorities like black kids. Again looking at ONLY white vs Asian kid in this chart that you have references 100x in these discussion. And the alumni interviewers are that different nor are the guidance counselors.

My guess is that Asian students have even higher scores on most of those factors than Blacks and Hispanics, and significantly lower score on the BS courage/kindness/likability.

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Looks very much like racial discrimination against Asian students.

We'll see the outcome from the US Supreme Court.

If I was part of admissions committee and received the aggregate feedback of 2 LORs and guidance counselor ( from kid's own school!) and alumni interviewer about a given applicant, I'm not surprised that the personality score was low.

As the lower courts have ruled, this doesn't prove discrimination.

And...what in the heck does this have to do with affirmative action? Whites are being compared to Asians in the chart, not URMs.

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I’m so sick and tired of Asians complaining about unfairness in America. When I look around my UMC neighborhood, Asians seem to be doing quite well. I wonder how well American students would fare in Asian schools or American workers in Asian corporations. Something tells me that it would be FAR worse for Americans in Asia than it is for Asians in America.

Americans are treated very well in Asians countries.

Maybe things have changed over the years. I distinctly remember when Yu Ying sent a group of students to China as part of its curriculum, a little Black boy was openly teased by Chinese women demanding that he(the little Black boy) show his tail. Maybe your definition of “very well” differs from most people which witnessed that exchange. It was disgusting to say the very least. Or maybe you just mean white people are treated very well in Asian countries. Which says a lot about you PP.

Black Americans would feel very safe pretty much anywhere in the countries like Korea/Japan, and even in China.

Can you say the same thing for an Asian in the US?

Interesting article.

https://unbiasthenews.org/heard-but-not-seen-being-black-in-south-korea/#:~:text=The%20discrimination%20that%20Black%20people,is%20associated%20with%20unattractive%20qualities.

“Koreans are a non-white people who believe in white supremacy”

The discrimination that Black people experience in South Korea is exacerbated by a hierarchy based on centuries-old colorism, where milky white skin is valorized and darker skin is associated with unattractive qualities.

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Looks very much like racial discrimination against Asian students.

We'll see the outcome from the US Supreme Court.

If I was part of admissions committee and received the aggregate feedback of 2 LORs and guidance counselor ( from kid's own school!) and alumni interviewer about a given applicant, I'm not surprised that the personality score was low.

As the lower courts have ruled, this doesn't prove discrimination.

And...what in the heck does this have to do with affirmative action? Whites are being compared to Asians in the chart, not URMs.

?? why? Asian students are on par on LORs and have higher score on interview.

They were being nice, so only compared it to Whites.
Imagine comparing it to Blacks/Hispanics

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I’m so sick and tired of Asians complaining about unfairness in America. When I look around my UMC neighborhood, Asians seem to be doing quite well. I wonder how well American students would fare in Asian schools or American workers in Asian corporations. Something tells me that it would be FAR worse for Americans in Asia than it is for Asians in America.

Americans are treated very well in Asians countries.

I’m a white American and experienced overt racism in Asia.

White Americans are usually treated very well in Asian countries.
Maybe you didn't respect the local culture or something.

Asian countries like Korea/Japan/China tend to discriminate South East Asians.

I’m the person you were asking if I respected the culture. Very much so as learning the culture was the reason I went on the trip. In one instance, we merely went into a restaurant and were told it was “not for people like us” and we had to leave.

Discrimination in South Korea/Japan/India/wherever else in the world has no relevance here at all. The issue being discussed is about Americans being discriminated in America.

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I’m so sick and tired of Asians complaining about unfairness in America. When I look around my UMC neighborhood, Asians seem to be doing quite well. I wonder how well American students would fare in Asian schools or American workers in Asian corporations. Something tells me that it would be FAR worse for Americans in Asia than it is for Asians in America.

Americans are treated very well in Asians countries.

I’m a white American and experienced overt racism in Asia.

White Americans are usually treated very well in Asian countries.
Maybe you didn't respect the local culture or something.

Asian countries like Korea/Japan/China tend to discriminate South East Asians.

I’m the person you were asking if I respected the culture. Very much so as learning the culture was the reason I went on the trip. In one instance, we merely went into a restaurant and were told it was “not for people like us” and we had to leave.

Discrimination in South Korea/Japan/India/wherever else in the world has no relevance here at all. The issue being discussed is about Americans being discriminated in America.

Agreed but the quote in in response to a poster claiming that Americans would not be discriminated against in Asia. It’s responsive to the post but the whole line of discussion is irrelevant to the issue (like so much on DCUM).