3 children dead in private Christian elementary school shooting in TN

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What can we do to decrease gun deaths? Also nobody is daying eliminate. Reduce. Gunshot wounds are the number one cause of death in the US and tje GOP is deflecting with legislation about trans kids and books. GUNS ARE THE ACTUAL DANGER.

Please source that.

I meant *pediatric* deaths.

https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/issue-brief/child-and-teen-firearm-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-peer-countries/

DP and this is why the GOP are a bunch of hypocrites who froth at the mouth over banning books or trans healthcare while completely shrugging on the ACTUAL cause of death for most kids in the US.

Don’t forget calling themselves pro-life and taking an overt interest in women’s uteruses. I think there is something truly rotten and wrong with the souls of Republicans.

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Basic human decency is we can't discuss what happened AGAIN? Respectful is ensuring that this doesn't happen to another person/child/family/teacher. Disrespectful is saying "thoughts and prayers" and "let's not get emotional now". I find your post horrifically disrespectful, like shrugging your shoulders at babies being slaughtered.

Stop with the faux outrage and political vomit. This can be politicized both ways easily, but I don't want to stoop to such a low.

Verily, families of Covenant Prebyterian would appreciate thoughts and prayers and support right now.

No. I am the OP. I have previously posted that I have:

1) Comforted a close friend who knew a child from Sandy Hook and attended their funeral
2) Hid under my desk at work due to an active shooter scare
3) A close family member happened not to shop at the Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting.

I could go on about more issues. Heard gunshots from my house and called police (I live in a city). Have close family members who are teachers AND who are law enforcement.

It's REAL outrage and it's personal. Maybe it's not personal for you yet, but it will be because it's not ending. I literally do not understand your lack of empathy for why people are so upset, why they want (yes) political action, because yes, that is the only solution, the only way forward is to DO SOMETHING. Thoughts and prayers and nothing else is shameful. If it were my child, I'd want CHANGE, to ensure it never happened to another person.

From what I have read here, the "do something" people want to do something that will not be effective.
You talk about taking away all guns. That is just NOT going to happen. So, what do you recommend?

I've followed this entire thread and there are very few posts about taking all guns. Do not lie.

Some ideas for sensible gun ownership:

-Red flag laws at the federal level with drastic education about how and when to use them
-Mental health assessment for owning a gun
-Gun education class and test required to pass to own a gun like the Swiss do
-Raise minimum age to 21 to own a gun (yes in this case, it wouldn't help, but plenty of cases where it would)
-Anyone suddenly buying lots of guns all of a sudden triggers scrutiny, additional review. This woman was able to purchase 7 guns LEGALLY. That's ridiculous! It's also why democratic cities are overwhelmed with gun violence - majority of guns in crime are trafficked in from permissive gun law states statistically
-Anmunition cap

For starters.

What have you got other than thoughts and prayers and shrugging shoulders?

Just a few thoughts.....

I am all for red flag laws. As long as they are not abused.
Mental health screening for owning a gun? That is not going to happen. And, in the end... it would not be effective. Better for mental health professionals to report those who should not have access to firearms.
I'm good with a gun education class. Most firearms users do that. I did. Many gun shops will give free courses when a firearm is purchased. That is a good thing. The more education, the better.
How do we know this person "suddenly" purchased 7 guns. I have seen no reports of the time period in which she purchased them.
An ammunition cap would be crazy. It would mean that gun owners would spend less time practicing. You don't want that. Legal gun owners go to the range to practice so they can be responsible owners. A cap on ammunition would be defeating.

You and everyone like you is why we have mass shootings every few days. It’s you. You’re the problem.

What it would actually require to solve the problem is mass curtailment of civil rights and a police state.

Not sure how the freedom from being shot at school is a curtailment of civil rights. Seems like the other way around.

Ok, so lets say you want to end gun crime and prevent the mentally ill from shooting up schools. A laudable pursuit for sure.

To end gun crime, you have to round up guns. In order to do that you have to do the following:

1) Stop and frisk without probable cause
2) Target communities that commit crime at higher rates than others and tend not to have records for their firearms
3) Because we don't have firearms records for a sizeable number of firearms, we need door to door searches, particularly of people who are armed and are motivated to keep their firearms be they a criminal element, or those who believe they have a god given right to keep them
4) criminalized free speech in being able to distribute files for the creation of firearms via 3d printing

So now that we've broken the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments and had to create a giant police state, we have now provided the government with the powers to do the same for any other reason, and massively expanded police powers,

How do we also look at preventing school shootings

1) violate civil rights of people who have never committed a crime because we think they might commit a crime with red flag laws by seizing their property
2) forcing people to get treatment for mental illness when they haven't hurt anyone
3) institutionalizing people who haven't hurt themselves or others
4) created a massive surveillance state where people now report on others to the government

Do you want to live in a USA with a severely curtailed 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment and increased police powers?

I live in a blue city with guns freely accessed and trafficked from red states so I blame the GOP for every gunshot I hear. Literally just implementing already constitutional blue state gun laws at a federal level would reduce crime in my backyard FFS. Our local criminals source their weapons from the GOP states.

Ok so let's say we implement blue state gun laws tomorrow.

How will you remove the 400 million guns in circulation?

You have to go through a similar suspension of civil rights to do so.

Are we collectively willing to give up those protections?

People say you love guns more than kids. No, I want to live in a free country, not a police state. That's why I moved here from a communist country.

You remove the guns from circulation with generous buy backs and stiff penalties for anyone found with an unregistered gun. It will take years. And it won’t get every illegal gun off the street. But it’s a start. We will be so much better off in 10-20 years if we start cleaning up our country now than just allowing the problem to keep growing.

Also, if you are a responsible legal gun owner, what the heck are you scared of? Some paperwork? You do paperwork to own a car, vote, receive mail, etc.?

I would fill out a giant stack of paperwork if it might have any chance of preventing some murders of children.

I fear an intrusive government that abuses its power. Too much of that in the old country.

Having penalities won't disuade those that are looking to end their lives and take as many as they can with them.

Furthermore, I don't want to live in a country where the government can search me without reason, abuse POC, or provide an illusion of safety.

Here you go again with vague rhetoric about abuses of power. You are what is wrong with this country and I wish you’d find some new country to haunt you ghoul.

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Basic human decency is we can't discuss what happened AGAIN? Respectful is ensuring that this doesn't happen to another person/child/family/teacher. Disrespectful is saying "thoughts and prayers" and "let's not get emotional now". I find your post horrifically disrespectful, like shrugging your shoulders at babies being slaughtered.

Stop with the faux outrage and political vomit. This can be politicized both ways easily, but I don't want to stoop to such a low.

Verily, families of Covenant Prebyterian would appreciate thoughts and prayers and support right now.

No. I am the OP. I have previously posted that I have:

1) Comforted a close friend who knew a child from Sandy Hook and attended their funeral
2) Hid under my desk at work due to an active shooter scare
3) A close family member happened not to shop at the Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting.

I could go on about more issues. Heard gunshots from my house and called police (I live in a city). Have close family members who are teachers AND who are law enforcement.

It's REAL outrage and it's personal. Maybe it's not personal for you yet, but it will be because it's not ending. I literally do not understand your lack of empathy for why people are so upset, why they want (yes) political action, because yes, that is the only solution, the only way forward is to DO SOMETHING. Thoughts and prayers and nothing else is shameful. If it were my child, I'd want CHANGE, to ensure it never happened to another person.

From what I have read here, the "do something" people want to do something that will not be effective.
You talk about taking away all guns. That is just NOT going to happen. So, what do you recommend?

I've followed this entire thread and there are very few posts about taking all guns. Do not lie.

Some ideas for sensible gun ownership:

-Red flag laws at the federal level with drastic education about how and when to use them
-Mental health assessment for owning a gun
-Gun education class and test required to pass to own a gun like the Swiss do
-Raise minimum age to 21 to own a gun (yes in this case, it wouldn't help, but plenty of cases where it would)
-Anyone suddenly buying lots of guns all of a sudden triggers scrutiny, additional review. This woman was able to purchase 7 guns LEGALLY. That's ridiculous! It's also why democratic cities are overwhelmed with gun violence - majority of guns in crime are trafficked in from permissive gun law states statistically
-Anmunition cap

For starters.

What have you got other than thoughts and prayers and shrugging shoulders?

Just a few thoughts.....

I am all for red flag laws. As long as they are not abused.
Mental health screening for owning a gun? That is not going to happen. And, in the end... it would not be effective. Better for mental health professionals to report those who should not have access to firearms.
I'm good with a gun education class. Most firearms users do that. I did. Many gun shops will give free courses when a firearm is purchased. That is a good thing. The more education, the better.
How do we know this person "suddenly" purchased 7 guns. I have seen no reports of the time period in which she purchased them.
An ammunition cap would be crazy. It would mean that gun owners would spend less time practicing. You don't want that. Legal gun owners go to the range to practice so they can be responsible owners. A cap on ammunition would be defeating.

You and everyone like you is why we have mass shootings every few days. It’s you. You’re the problem.

What it would actually require to solve the problem is mass curtailment of civil rights and a police state.

Not sure how the freedom from being shot at school is a curtailment of civil rights. Seems like the other way around.

Ok, so lets say you want to end gun crime and prevent the mentally ill from shooting up schools. A laudable pursuit for sure.

To end gun crime, you have to round up guns. In order to do that you have to do the following:

1) Stop and frisk without probable cause
2) Target communities that commit crime at higher rates than others and tend not to have records for their firearms
3) Because we don't have firearms records for a sizeable number of firearms, we need door to door searches, particularly of people who are armed and are motivated to keep their firearms be they a criminal element, or those who believe they have a god given right to keep them
4) criminalized free speech in being able to distribute files for the creation of firearms via 3d printing

So now that we've broken the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments and had to create a giant police state, we have now provided the government with the powers to do the same for any other reason, and massively expanded police powers,

How do we also look at preventing school shootings

1) violate civil rights of people who have never committed a crime because we think they might commit a crime with red flag laws by seizing their property
2) forcing people to get treatment for mental illness when they haven't hurt anyone
3) institutionalizing people who haven't hurt themselves or others
4) created a massive surveillance state where people now report on others to the government

Do you want to live in a USA with a severely curtailed 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment and increased police powers?

I live in a blue city with guns freely accessed and trafficked from red states so I blame the GOP for every gunshot I hear. Literally just implementing already constitutional blue state gun laws at a federal level would reduce crime in my backyard FFS. Our local criminals source their weapons from the GOP states.

Ok so let's say we implement blue state gun laws tomorrow.

How will you remove the 400 million guns in circulation?

You have to go through a similar suspension of civil rights to do so.

Are we collectively willing to give up those protections?

People say you love guns more than kids. No, I want to live in a free country, not a police state. That's why I moved here from a communist country.

You remove the guns from circulation with generous buy backs and stiff penalties for anyone found with an unregistered gun. It will take years. And it won’t get every illegal gun off the street. But it’s a start. We will be so much better off in 10-20 years if we start cleaning up our country now than just allowing the problem to keep growing.

Also, if you are a responsible legal gun owner, what the heck are you scared of? Some paperwork? You do paperwork to own a car, vote, receive mail, etc.?

I would fill out a giant stack of paperwork if it might have any chance of preventing some murders of children.

I fear an intrusive government that abuses its power. Too much of that in the old country.

Having penalities won't disuade those that are looking to end their lives and take as many as they can with them.

Furthermore, I don't want to live in a country where the government can search me without reason, abuse POC, or provide an illusion of safety.

Honestly, I would sacrifice every single one of your civil rights if it meant saving one child. I care significantly more about the toilet paper I wipe with than your ability to own a gun, or not be intruded upon, or whatever the heck it is you think is worth the death of school children.

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Basic human decency is we can't discuss what happened AGAIN? Respectful is ensuring that this doesn't happen to another person/child/family/teacher. Disrespectful is saying "thoughts and prayers" and "let's not get emotional now". I find your post horrifically disrespectful, like shrugging your shoulders at babies being slaughtered.

Stop with the faux outrage and political vomit. This can be politicized both ways easily, but I don't want to stoop to such a low.

Verily, families of Covenant Prebyterian would appreciate thoughts and prayers and support right now.

No. I am the OP. I have previously posted that I have:

1) Comforted a close friend who knew a child from Sandy Hook and attended their funeral
2) Hid under my desk at work due to an active shooter scare
3) A close family member happened not to shop at the Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting.

I could go on about more issues. Heard gunshots from my house and called police (I live in a city). Have close family members who are teachers AND who are law enforcement.

It's REAL outrage and it's personal. Maybe it's not personal for you yet, but it will be because it's not ending. I literally do not understand your lack of empathy for why people are so upset, why they want (yes) political action, because yes, that is the only solution, the only way forward is to DO SOMETHING. Thoughts and prayers and nothing else is shameful. If it were my child, I'd want CHANGE, to ensure it never happened to another person.

From what I have read here, the "do something" people want to do something that will not be effective.
You talk about taking away all guns. That is just NOT going to happen. So, what do you recommend?

I've followed this entire thread and there are very few posts about taking all guns. Do not lie.

Some ideas for sensible gun ownership:

-Red flag laws at the federal level with drastic education about how and when to use them
-Mental health assessment for owning a gun
-Gun education class and test required to pass to own a gun like the Swiss do
-Raise minimum age to 21 to own a gun (yes in this case, it wouldn't help, but plenty of cases where it would)
-Anyone suddenly buying lots of guns all of a sudden triggers scrutiny, additional review. This woman was able to purchase 7 guns LEGALLY. That's ridiculous! It's also why democratic cities are overwhelmed with gun violence - majority of guns in crime are trafficked in from permissive gun law states statistically
-Anmunition cap

For starters.

What have you got other than thoughts and prayers and shrugging shoulders?

Just a few thoughts.....

I am all for red flag laws. As long as they are not abused.
Mental health screening for owning a gun? That is not going to happen. And, in the end... it would not be effective. Better for mental health professionals to report those who should not have access to firearms.
I'm good with a gun education class. Most firearms users do that. I did. Many gun shops will give free courses when a firearm is purchased. That is a good thing. The more education, the better.
How do we know this person "suddenly" purchased 7 guns. I have seen no reports of the time period in which she purchased them.
An ammunition cap would be crazy. It would mean that gun owners would spend less time practicing. You don't want that. Legal gun owners go to the range to practice so they can be responsible owners. A cap on ammunition would be defeating.

You and everyone like you is why we have mass shootings every few days. It’s you. You’re the problem.

What it would actually require to solve the problem is mass curtailment of civil rights and a police state.

Not sure how the freedom from being shot at school is a curtailment of civil rights. Seems like the other way around.

Ok, so lets say you want to end gun crime and prevent the mentally ill from shooting up schools. A laudable pursuit for sure.

To end gun crime, you have to round up guns. In order to do that you have to do the following:

1) Stop and frisk without probable cause
2) Target communities that commit crime at higher rates than others and tend not to have records for their firearms
3) Because we don't have firearms records for a sizeable number of firearms, we need door to door searches, particularly of people who are armed and are motivated to keep their firearms be they a criminal element, or those who believe they have a god given right to keep them
4) criminalized free speech in being able to distribute files for the creation of firearms via 3d printing

So now that we've broken the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments and had to create a giant police state, we have now provided the government with the powers to do the same for any other reason, and massively expanded police powers,

How do we also look at preventing school shootings

1) violate civil rights of people who have never committed a crime because we think they might commit a crime with red flag laws by seizing their property
2) forcing people to get treatment for mental illness when they haven't hurt anyone
3) institutionalizing people who haven't hurt themselves or others
4) created a massive surveillance state where people now report on others to the government

Do you want to live in a USA with a severely curtailed 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment and increased police powers?

I live in a blue city with guns freely accessed and trafficked from red states so I blame the GOP for every gunshot I hear. Literally just implementing already constitutional blue state gun laws at a federal level would reduce crime in my backyard FFS. Our local criminals source their weapons from the GOP states.

Ok so let's say we implement blue state gun laws tomorrow.

How will you remove the 400 million guns in circulation?

You have to go through a similar suspension of civil rights to do so.

Are we collectively willing to give up those protections?

People say you love guns more than kids. No, I want to live in a free country, not a police state. That's why I moved here from a communist country.

So in a free country, 400 million guns outnumber the what 78 million children in the states so every single shooter game held impromptu in a school is what, helping kids freely test their reflexes? I mean those numbers don’t lie right?

It’s a shame swallowing isn’t allowed in Communist states.

The genie is out of the box.

If you want to stop mass shootings you have to get the guns out of circulation.

How do you propose doing that? Even if we somehow stop manufacturing of new guns, the existing supply is so huge that mass shooters will be able to access them throughout our lifetimes.

Do we give up our other rights?

Your questions have been answered repeatedly, but you’d rather use vague statements about the genie being out of the bottle and comparing gun reform to communism than actually accept there are steps the US could take THAT MANY OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE SUCCESSFULLY IMPLEMENTED by the way. Are you saying the US is too incompetent as a nation to reign in guns like other nations managed to do?

Yes, apparently the US is composed of gun nut morons who can't follow what every other first world nation on the planet has already done. Unfortunately, not sarcasm.

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Basic human decency is we can't discuss what happened AGAIN? Respectful is ensuring that this doesn't happen to another person/child/family/teacher. Disrespectful is saying "thoughts and prayers" and "let's not get emotional now". I find your post horrifically disrespectful, like shrugging your shoulders at babies being slaughtered.

Stop with the faux outrage and political vomit. This can be politicized both ways easily, but I don't want to stoop to such a low.

Verily, families of Covenant Prebyterian would appreciate thoughts and prayers and support right now.

No. I am the OP. I have previously posted that I have:

1) Comforted a close friend who knew a child from Sandy Hook and attended their funeral
2) Hid under my desk at work due to an active shooter scare
3) A close family member happened not to shop at the Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting.

I could go on about more issues. Heard gunshots from my house and called police (I live in a city). Have close family members who are teachers AND who are law enforcement.

It's REAL outrage and it's personal. Maybe it's not personal for you yet, but it will be because it's not ending. I literally do not understand your lack of empathy for why people are so upset, why they want (yes) political action, because yes, that is the only solution, the only way forward is to DO SOMETHING. Thoughts and prayers and nothing else is shameful. If it were my child, I'd want CHANGE, to ensure it never happened to another person.

From what I have read here, the "do something" people want to do something that will not be effective.
You talk about taking away all guns. That is just NOT going to happen. So, what do you recommend?

I've followed this entire thread and there are very few posts about taking all guns. Do not lie.

Some ideas for sensible gun ownership:

-Red flag laws at the federal level with drastic education about how and when to use them
-Mental health assessment for owning a gun
-Gun education class and test required to pass to own a gun like the Swiss do
-Raise minimum age to 21 to own a gun (yes in this case, it wouldn't help, but plenty of cases where it would)
-Anyone suddenly buying lots of guns all of a sudden triggers scrutiny, additional review. This woman was able to purchase 7 guns LEGALLY. That's ridiculous! It's also why democratic cities are overwhelmed with gun violence - majority of guns in crime are trafficked in from permissive gun law states statistically
-Anmunition cap

For starters.

What have you got other than thoughts and prayers and shrugging shoulders?

Just a few thoughts.....

I am all for red flag laws. As long as they are not abused.
Mental health screening for owning a gun? That is not going to happen. And, in the end... it would not be effective. Better for mental health professionals to report those who should not have access to firearms.
I'm good with a gun education class. Most firearms users do that. I did. Many gun shops will give free courses when a firearm is purchased. That is a good thing. The more education, the better.
How do we know this person "suddenly" purchased 7 guns. I have seen no reports of the time period in which she purchased them.
An ammunition cap would be crazy. It would mean that gun owners would spend less time practicing. You don't want that. Legal gun owners go to the range to practice so they can be responsible owners. A cap on ammunition would be defeating.

You and everyone like you is why we have mass shootings every few days. It’s you. You’re the problem.

What it would actually require to solve the problem is mass curtailment of civil rights and a police state.

Not sure how the freedom from being shot at school is a curtailment of civil rights. Seems like the other way around.

Ok, so lets say you want to end gun crime and prevent the mentally ill from shooting up schools. A laudable pursuit for sure.

To end gun crime, you have to round up guns. In order to do that you have to do the following:

1) Stop and frisk without probable cause
2) Target communities that commit crime at higher rates than others and tend not to have records for their firearms
3) Because we don't have firearms records for a sizeable number of firearms, we need door to door searches, particularly of people who are armed and are motivated to keep their firearms be they a criminal element, or those who believe they have a god given right to keep them
4) criminalized free speech in being able to distribute files for the creation of firearms via 3d printing

So now that we've broken the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments and had to create a giant police state, we have now provided the government with the powers to do the same for any other reason, and massively expanded police powers,

How do we also look at preventing school shootings

1) violate civil rights of people who have never committed a crime because we think they might commit a crime with red flag laws by seizing their property
2) forcing people to get treatment for mental illness when they haven't hurt anyone
3) institutionalizing people who haven't hurt themselves or others
4) created a massive surveillance state where people now report on others to the government

Do you want to live in a USA with a severely curtailed 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment and increased police powers?

I live in a blue city with guns freely accessed and trafficked from red states so I blame the GOP for every gunshot I hear. Literally just implementing already constitutional blue state gun laws at a federal level would reduce crime in my backyard FFS. Our local criminals source their weapons from the GOP states.

Ok so let's say we implement blue state gun laws tomorrow.

How will you remove the 400 million guns in circulation?

You have to go through a similar suspension of civil rights to do so.

Are we collectively willing to give up those protections?

People say you love guns more than kids. No, I want to live in a free country, not a police state. That's why I moved here from a communist country.

You remove the guns from circulation with generous buy backs and stiff penalties for anyone found with an unregistered gun. It will take years. And it won’t get every illegal gun off the street. But it’s a start. We will be so much better off in 10-20 years if we start cleaning up our country now than just allowing the problem to keep growing.

Also, if you are a responsible legal gun owner, what the heck are you scared of? Some paperwork? You do paperwork to own a car, vote, receive mail, etc.?

I would fill out a giant stack of paperwork if it might have any chance of preventing some murders of children.

I fear an intrusive government that abuses its power. Too much of that in the old country.

Having penalities won't disuade those that are looking to end their lives and take as many as they can with them.

Furthermore, I don't want to live in a country where the government can search me without reason, abuse POC, or provide an illusion of safety.

I fear financial insecurity because that is what I grew up with. I recognize this is my issue to work on. Work on your fear. You aren't in the old country anymore.

Making it more difficult for people to legally own guns absolutely will make it more difficult.

There is no safety in this country with the number of mass shootings that occur here.

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Blue cities have found punishing / prosecuting for gun crimes has a disparate impact on African-Americans. Therefore, blue cities don’t harshly punish people for gun crimes in their cities.

Here, let me help you understand why making such an unfounded sweeping statement without a credible source is dangerous. No need for paraphrasing. Plugged in the data that refutes your post.

1. The murder rate in the 25 states that voted for Donald Trump has exceeded the murder rate in the 25 states that voted for Joe Biden in every year from 2000 to 2020.

2. Over this 21-year span, this Red State murder gap has steadily widened from a low of 9% more per capita red state murders in 2003 and 2004 to 44% more per capita red state murders in 2019, before settling back to 43% in 2020.

3. Altogether, the per capita Red State murder rate was 23% higher than the Blue State murder rate when all 21 years were combined.
If Blue State murder rates were as high as Red State murder rates, Biden-voting states would have suffered over 45,000 more murders between 2000 and 2020.

Guns: Gun ownership rates are far higher in red states than blue states. Studies have estimated that gun ownership rates are as much as twice as high in a typical red state than a typical blue state. Since 79% of all homicides are committed with a firearm, it stands to reason that more guns will produce more murders, not less.

Poverty: Studies have found a correlation between poverty and violent crime. Red states tend to have higher poverty rates than blue states.

Educational Attainment: Those who have a high school diploma or less tend to be overrepresented among victims and perpetrators of homicide. Increasingly, there is an educational attainment gap between red and blue states as well.

Social Service and Police Resources: Despite accusations that Democrats “defund the police,” we found that cities with Democratic mayors fund police at far higher levels on a per capita basis than cities run by Republican mayors. In 2020, the 25 largest Democrat-run cities spent 38% more on policing per capita than the 25 largest Republican-run cities. In addition, blue states may be more likely to fund social service programs that help steer people away from violent crime than red states.

Even when murders in the largest cities in red states are removed, overall murder rates in Trump-voting states were 12% higher than Biden-voting states across this 21-year period and were higher in 18 of the 21 years observed.

Conclusion
On a typical day, about 65 Americans are murdered. If we watch the cable networks, we’re likely to hear about one of them. The one that is chosen often fits a narrative that is as familiar as it is shallow. It may cohere with a political point a network wants to make – chaos in Democratic cities, an illegal immigrant committing a brazen and lethal act. Usually, it’s a murder in New York City or Los Angeles, two cities that actually have murder rates far lower than many states.

Methodology
We collected murder data for all 50 states from 2000 to 2020. Our primary source was the Center of Disease Control Wonder’s National Center for Health Statistics Mortality Data. We chose to use CDC data over FBI data because it tends to be more accurate. This is because states are required to report mortality data to the CDC while states are only encouraged to report crime data to the FBI.

https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Basic human decency is we can't discuss what happened AGAIN? Respectful is ensuring that this doesn't happen to another person/child/family/teacher. Disrespectful is saying "thoughts and prayers" and "let's not get emotional now". I find your post horrifically disrespectful, like shrugging your shoulders at babies being slaughtered.

Stop with the faux outrage and political vomit. This can be politicized both ways easily, but I don't want to stoop to such a low.

Verily, families of Covenant Prebyterian would appreciate thoughts and prayers and support right now.

No. I am the OP. I have previously posted that I have:

1) Comforted a close friend who knew a child from Sandy Hook and attended their funeral
2) Hid under my desk at work due to an active shooter scare
3) A close family member happened not to shop at the Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting.

I could go on about more issues. Heard gunshots from my house and called police (I live in a city). Have close family members who are teachers AND who are law enforcement.

It's REAL outrage and it's personal. Maybe it's not personal for you yet, but it will be because it's not ending. I literally do not understand your lack of empathy for why people are so upset, why they want (yes) political action, because yes, that is the only solution, the only way forward is to DO SOMETHING. Thoughts and prayers and nothing else is shameful. If it were my child, I'd want CHANGE, to ensure it never happened to another person.

From what I have read here, the "do something" people want to do something that will not be effective.
You talk about taking away all guns. That is just NOT going to happen. So, what do you recommend?

I've followed this entire thread and there are very few posts about taking all guns. Do not lie.

Some ideas for sensible gun ownership:

-Red flag laws at the federal level with drastic education about how and when to use them
-Mental health assessment for owning a gun
-Gun education class and test required to pass to own a gun like the Swiss do
-Raise minimum age to 21 to own a gun (yes in this case, it wouldn't help, but plenty of cases where it would)
-Anyone suddenly buying lots of guns all of a sudden triggers scrutiny, additional review. This woman was able to purchase 7 guns LEGALLY. That's ridiculous! It's also why democratic cities are overwhelmed with gun violence - majority of guns in crime are trafficked in from permissive gun law states statistically
-Anmunition cap

For starters.

What have you got other than thoughts and prayers and shrugging shoulders?

Just a few thoughts.....

I am all for red flag laws. As long as they are not abused.
Mental health screening for owning a gun? That is not going to happen. And, in the end... it would not be effective. Better for mental health professionals to report those who should not have access to firearms.
I'm good with a gun education class. Most firearms users do that. I did. Many gun shops will give free courses when a firearm is purchased. That is a good thing. The more education, the better.
How do we know this person "suddenly" purchased 7 guns. I have seen no reports of the time period in which she purchased them.
An ammunition cap would be crazy. It would mean that gun owners would spend less time practicing. You don't want that. Legal gun owners go to the range to practice so they can be responsible owners. A cap on ammunition would be defeating.

You and everyone like you is why we have mass shootings every few days. It’s you. You’re the problem.

What it would actually require to solve the problem is mass curtailment of civil rights and a police state.

Not sure how the freedom from being shot at school is a curtailment of civil rights. Seems like the other way around.

Ok, so lets say you want to end gun crime and prevent the mentally ill from shooting up schools. A laudable pursuit for sure.

To end gun crime, you have to round up guns. In order to do that you have to do the following:

1) Stop and frisk without probable cause
2) Target communities that commit crime at higher rates than others and tend not to have records for their firearms
3) Because we don't have firearms records for a sizeable number of firearms, we need door to door searches, particularly of people who are armed and are motivated to keep their firearms be they a criminal element, or those who believe they have a god given right to keep them
4) criminalized free speech in being able to distribute files for the creation of firearms via 3d printing

So now that we've broken the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments and had to create a giant police state, we have now provided the government with the powers to do the same for any other reason, and massively expanded police powers,

How do we also look at preventing school shootings

1) violate civil rights of people who have never committed a crime because we think they might commit a crime with red flag laws by seizing their property
2) forcing people to get treatment for mental illness when they haven't hurt anyone
3) institutionalizing people who haven't hurt themselves or others
4) created a massive surveillance state where people now report on others to the government

Do you want to live in a USA with a severely curtailed 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment and increased police powers?

I live in a blue city with guns freely accessed and trafficked from red states so I blame the GOP for every gunshot I hear. Literally just implementing already constitutional blue state gun laws at a federal level would reduce crime in my backyard FFS. Our local criminals source their weapons from the GOP states.

Ok so let's say we implement blue state gun laws tomorrow.

How will you remove the 400 million guns in circulation?

You have to go through a similar suspension of civil rights to do so.

Are we collectively willing to give up those protections?

People say you love guns more than kids. No, I want to live in a free country, not a police state. That's why I moved here from a communist country.

You remove the guns from circulation with generous buy backs and stiff penalties for anyone found with an unregistered gun. It will take years. And it won’t get every illegal gun off the street. But it’s a start. We will be so much better off in 10-20 years if we start cleaning up our country now than just allowing the problem to keep growing.

Also, if you are a responsible legal gun owner, what the heck are you scared of? Some paperwork? You do paperwork to own a car, vote, receive mail, etc.?

I would fill out a giant stack of paperwork if it might have any chance of preventing some murders of children.

I fear an intrusive government that abuses its power. Too much of that in the old country.

Having penalities won't disuade those that are looking to end their lives and take as many as they can with them.

Furthermore, I don't want to live in a country where the government can search me without reason, abuse POC, or provide an illusion of safety.

But apparently you're willing to live in a country where 40k people die of gun wounds every year and where guns are the leading killer of children. You accept all that in return for your right to own a gun. Just come out and admit you would not give up a gun in order to save the life of one child. We all know the gun lobby would not.

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Too many Americans have deranged fixations on guns - which they treat like toys. It's like we're a country run by toddlers running around with scissors.

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Basic human decency is we can't discuss what happened AGAIN? Respectful is ensuring that this doesn't happen to another person/child/family/teacher. Disrespectful is saying "thoughts and prayers" and "let's not get emotional now". I find your post horrifically disrespectful, like shrugging your shoulders at babies being slaughtered.

Stop with the faux outrage and political vomit. This can be politicized both ways easily, but I don't want to stoop to such a low.

Verily, families of Covenant Prebyterian would appreciate thoughts and prayers and support right now.

No. I am the OP. I have previously posted that I have:

1) Comforted a close friend who knew a child from Sandy Hook and attended their funeral
2) Hid under my desk at work due to an active shooter scare
3) A close family member happened not to shop at the Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting.

I could go on about more issues. Heard gunshots from my house and called police (I live in a city). Have close family members who are teachers AND who are law enforcement.

It's REAL outrage and it's personal. Maybe it's not personal for you yet, but it will be because it's not ending. I literally do not understand your lack of empathy for why people are so upset, why they want (yes) political action, because yes, that is the only solution, the only way forward is to DO SOMETHING. Thoughts and prayers and nothing else is shameful. If it were my child, I'd want CHANGE, to ensure it never happened to another person.

From what I have read here, the "do something" people want to do something that will not be effective.
You talk about taking away all guns. That is just NOT going to happen. So, what do you recommend?

I've followed this entire thread and there are very few posts about taking all guns. Do not lie.

Some ideas for sensible gun ownership:

-Red flag laws at the federal level with drastic education about how and when to use them
-Mental health assessment for owning a gun
-Gun education class and test required to pass to own a gun like the Swiss do
-Raise minimum age to 21 to own a gun (yes in this case, it wouldn't help, but plenty of cases where it would)
-Anyone suddenly buying lots of guns all of a sudden triggers scrutiny, additional review. This woman was able to purchase 7 guns LEGALLY. That's ridiculous! It's also why democratic cities are overwhelmed with gun violence - majority of guns in crime are trafficked in from permissive gun law states statistically
-Anmunition cap

For starters.

What have you got other than thoughts and prayers and shrugging shoulders?

Just a few thoughts.....

I am all for red flag laws. As long as they are not abused.
Mental health screening for owning a gun? That is not going to happen. And, in the end... it would not be effective. Better for mental health professionals to report those who should not have access to firearms.
I'm good with a gun education class. Most firearms users do that. I did. Many gun shops will give free courses when a firearm is purchased. That is a good thing. The more education, the better.
How do we know this person "suddenly" purchased 7 guns. I have seen no reports of the time period in which she purchased them.
An ammunition cap would be crazy. It would mean that gun owners would spend less time practicing. You don't want that. Legal gun owners go to the range to practice so they can be responsible owners. A cap on ammunition would be defeating.

You and everyone like you is why we have mass shootings every few days. It’s you. You’re the problem.

What it would actually require to solve the problem is mass curtailment of civil rights and a police state.

Not sure how the freedom from being shot at school is a curtailment of civil rights. Seems like the other way around.

Ok, so lets say you want to end gun crime and prevent the mentally ill from shooting up schools. A laudable pursuit for sure.

To end gun crime, you have to round up guns. In order to do that you have to do the following:

1) Stop and frisk without probable cause
2) Target communities that commit crime at higher rates than others and tend not to have records for their firearms
3) Because we don't have firearms records for a sizeable number of firearms, we need door to door searches, particularly of people who are armed and are motivated to keep their firearms be they a criminal element, or those who believe they have a god given right to keep them
4) criminalized free speech in being able to distribute files for the creation of firearms via 3d printing

So now that we've broken the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments and had to create a giant police state, we have now provided the government with the powers to do the same for any other reason, and massively expanded police powers,

How do we also look at preventing school shootings

1) violate civil rights of people who have never committed a crime because we think they might commit a crime with red flag laws by seizing their property
2) forcing people to get treatment for mental illness when they haven't hurt anyone
3) institutionalizing people who haven't hurt themselves or others
4) created a massive surveillance state where people now report on others to the government

Do you want to live in a USA with a severely curtailed 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment and increased police powers?

I live in a blue city with guns freely accessed and trafficked from red states so I blame the GOP for every gunshot I hear. Literally just implementing already constitutional blue state gun laws at a federal level would reduce crime in my backyard FFS. Our local criminals source their weapons from the GOP states.

Ok so let's say we implement blue state gun laws tomorrow.

How will you remove the 400 million guns in circulation?

You have to go through a similar suspension of civil rights to do so.

Are we collectively willing to give up those protections?

People say you love guns more than kids. No, I want to live in a free country, not a police state. That's why I moved here from a communist country.

So in a free country, 400 million guns outnumber the what 78 million children in the states so every single shooter game held impromptu in a school is what, helping kids freely test their reflexes? I mean those numbers don’t lie right?

It’s a shame swallowing isn’t allowed in Communist states.

The genie is out of the box.

If you want to stop mass shootings you have to get the guns out of circulation.

How do you propose doing that? Even if we somehow stop manufacturing of new guns, the existing supply is so huge that mass shooters will be able to access them throughout our lifetimes.

Do we give up our other rights?

Let’s not forget 3D printing.

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Basic human decency is we can't discuss what happened AGAIN? Respectful is ensuring that this doesn't happen to another person/child/family/teacher. Disrespectful is saying "thoughts and prayers" and "let's not get emotional now". I find your post horrifically disrespectful, like shrugging your shoulders at babies being slaughtered.

Stop with the faux outrage and political vomit. This can be politicized both ways easily, but I don't want to stoop to such a low.

Verily, families of Covenant Prebyterian would appreciate thoughts and prayers and support right now.

No. I am the OP. I have previously posted that I have:

1) Comforted a close friend who knew a child from Sandy Hook and attended their funeral
2) Hid under my desk at work due to an active shooter scare
3) A close family member happened not to shop at the Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting.

I could go on about more issues. Heard gunshots from my house and called police (I live in a city). Have close family members who are teachers AND who are law enforcement.

It's REAL outrage and it's personal. Maybe it's not personal for you yet, but it will be because it's not ending. I literally do not understand your lack of empathy for why people are so upset, why they want (yes) political action, because yes, that is the only solution, the only way forward is to DO SOMETHING. Thoughts and prayers and nothing else is shameful. If it were my child, I'd want CHANGE, to ensure it never happened to another person.

From what I have read here, the "do something" people want to do something that will not be effective.
You talk about taking away all guns. That is just NOT going to happen. So, what do you recommend?

I've followed this entire thread and there are very few posts about taking all guns. Do not lie.

Some ideas for sensible gun ownership:

-Red flag laws at the federal level with drastic education about how and when to use them
-Mental health assessment for owning a gun
-Gun education class and test required to pass to own a gun like the Swiss do
-Raise minimum age to 21 to own a gun (yes in this case, it wouldn't help, but plenty of cases where it would)
-Anyone suddenly buying lots of guns all of a sudden triggers scrutiny, additional review. This woman was able to purchase 7 guns LEGALLY. That's ridiculous! It's also why democratic cities are overwhelmed with gun violence - majority of guns in crime are trafficked in from permissive gun law states statistically
-Anmunition cap

For starters.

What have you got other than thoughts and prayers and shrugging shoulders?

Just a few thoughts.....

I am all for red flag laws. As long as they are not abused.
Mental health screening for owning a gun? That is not going to happen. And, in the end... it would not be effective. Better for mental health professionals to report those who should not have access to firearms.
I'm good with a gun education class. Most firearms users do that. I did. Many gun shops will give free courses when a firearm is purchased. That is a good thing. The more education, the better.
How do we know this person "suddenly" purchased 7 guns. I have seen no reports of the time period in which she purchased them.
An ammunition cap would be crazy. It would mean that gun owners would spend less time practicing. You don't want that. Legal gun owners go to the range to practice so they can be responsible owners. A cap on ammunition would be defeating.

You and everyone like you is why we have mass shootings every few days. It’s you. You’re the problem.

What it would actually require to solve the problem is mass curtailment of civil rights and a police state.

Not sure how the freedom from being shot at school is a curtailment of civil rights. Seems like the other way around.

Ok, so lets say you want to end gun crime and prevent the mentally ill from shooting up schools. A laudable pursuit for sure.

To end gun crime, you have to round up guns. In order to do that you have to do the following:

1) Stop and frisk without probable cause
2) Target communities that commit crime at higher rates than others and tend not to have records for their firearms
3) Because we don't have firearms records for a sizeable number of firearms, we need door to door searches, particularly of people who are armed and are motivated to keep their firearms be they a criminal element, or those who believe they have a god given right to keep them
4) criminalized free speech in being able to distribute files for the creation of firearms via 3d printing

So now that we've broken the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments and had to create a giant police state, we have now provided the government with the powers to do the same for any other reason, and massively expanded police powers,

How do we also look at preventing school shootings

1) violate civil rights of people who have never committed a crime because we think they might commit a crime with red flag laws by seizing their property
2) forcing people to get treatment for mental illness when they haven't hurt anyone
3) institutionalizing people who haven't hurt themselves or others
4) created a massive surveillance state where people now report on others to the government

Do you want to live in a USA with a severely curtailed 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment and increased police powers?

I live in a blue city with guns freely accessed and trafficked from red states so I blame the GOP for every gunshot I hear. Literally just implementing already constitutional blue state gun laws at a federal level would reduce crime in my backyard FFS. Our local criminals source their weapons from the GOP states.

Ok so let's say we implement blue state gun laws tomorrow.

How will you remove the 400 million guns in circulation?

You have to go through a similar suspension of civil rights to do so.

Are we collectively willing to give up those protections?

People say you love guns more than kids. No, I want to live in a free country, not a police state. That's why I moved here from a communist country.

You remove the guns from circulation with generous buy backs and stiff penalties for anyone found with an unregistered gun. It will take years. And it won’t get every illegal gun off the street. But it’s a start. We will be so much better off in 10-20 years if we start cleaning up our country now than just allowing the problem to keep growing.

Also, if you are a responsible legal gun owner, what the heck are you scared of? Some paperwork? You do paperwork to own a car, vote, receive mail, etc.?

I would fill out a giant stack of paperwork if it might have any chance of preventing some murders of children.

The flaw: GOP won’t agree to buy backs, Dems won’t hold to strict penalties. Look at how buy back programs were thwarted. People need to start working together, and if they are not willing to do that then people need to accept these shootings as part of every day life.

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Basic human decency is we can't discuss what happened AGAIN? Respectful is ensuring that this doesn't happen to another person/child/family/teacher. Disrespectful is saying "thoughts and prayers" and "let's not get emotional now". I find your post horrifically disrespectful, like shrugging your shoulders at babies being slaughtered.

Stop with the faux outrage and political vomit. This can be politicized both ways easily, but I don't want to stoop to such a low.

Verily, families of Covenant Prebyterian would appreciate thoughts and prayers and support right now.

No. I am the OP. I have previously posted that I have:

1) Comforted a close friend who knew a child from Sandy Hook and attended their funeral
2) Hid under my desk at work due to an active shooter scare
3) A close family member happened not to shop at the Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting.

I could go on about more issues. Heard gunshots from my house and called police (I live in a city). Have close family members who are teachers AND who are law enforcement.

It's REAL outrage and it's personal. Maybe it's not personal for you yet, but it will be because it's not ending. I literally do not understand your lack of empathy for why people are so upset, why they want (yes) political action, because yes, that is the only solution, the only way forward is to DO SOMETHING. Thoughts and prayers and nothing else is shameful. If it were my child, I'd want CHANGE, to ensure it never happened to another person.

From what I have read here, the "do something" people want to do something that will not be effective.
You talk about taking away all guns. That is just NOT going to happen. So, what do you recommend?

I've followed this entire thread and there are very few posts about taking all guns. Do not lie.

Some ideas for sensible gun ownership:

-Red flag laws at the federal level with drastic education about how and when to use them
-Mental health assessment for owning a gun
-Gun education class and test required to pass to own a gun like the Swiss do
-Raise minimum age to 21 to own a gun (yes in this case, it wouldn't help, but plenty of cases where it would)
-Anyone suddenly buying lots of guns all of a sudden triggers scrutiny, additional review. This woman was able to purchase 7 guns LEGALLY. That's ridiculous! It's also why democratic cities are overwhelmed with gun violence - majority of guns in crime are trafficked in from permissive gun law states statistically
-Anmunition cap

For starters.

What have you got other than thoughts and prayers and shrugging shoulders?

Just a few thoughts.....

I am all for red flag laws. As long as they are not abused.
Mental health screening for owning a gun? That is not going to happen. And, in the end... it would not be effective. Better for mental health professionals to report those who should not have access to firearms.
I'm good with a gun education class. Most firearms users do that. I did. Many gun shops will give free courses when a firearm is purchased. That is a good thing. The more education, the better.
How do we know this person "suddenly" purchased 7 guns. I have seen no reports of the time period in which she purchased them.
An ammunition cap would be crazy. It would mean that gun owners would spend less time practicing. You don't want that. Legal gun owners go to the range to practice so they can be responsible owners. A cap on ammunition would be defeating.

You and everyone like you is why we have mass shootings every few days. It’s you. You’re the problem.

What it would actually require to solve the problem is mass curtailment of civil rights and a police state.

Not sure how the freedom from being shot at school is a curtailment of civil rights. Seems like the other way around.

Ok, so lets say you want to end gun crime and prevent the mentally ill from shooting up schools. A laudable pursuit for sure.

To end gun crime, you have to round up guns. In order to do that you have to do the following:

1) Stop and frisk without probable cause
2) Target communities that commit crime at higher rates than others and tend not to have records for their firearms
3) Because we don't have firearms records for a sizeable number of firearms, we need door to door searches, particularly of people who are armed and are motivated to keep their firearms be they a criminal element, or those who believe they have a god given right to keep them
4) criminalized free speech in being able to distribute files for the creation of firearms via 3d printing

So now that we've broken the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments and had to create a giant police state, we have now provided the government with the powers to do the same for any other reason, and massively expanded police powers,

How do we also look at preventing school shootings

1) violate civil rights of people who have never committed a crime because we think they might commit a crime with red flag laws by seizing their property
2) forcing people to get treatment for mental illness when they haven't hurt anyone
3) institutionalizing people who haven't hurt themselves or others
4) created a massive surveillance state where people now report on others to the government

Do you want to live in a USA with a severely curtailed 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment and increased police powers?

I live in a blue city with guns freely accessed and trafficked from red states so I blame the GOP for every gunshot I hear. Literally just implementing already constitutional blue state gun laws at a federal level would reduce crime in my backyard FFS. Our local criminals source their weapons from the GOP states.

Ok so let's say we implement blue state gun laws tomorrow.

How will you remove the 400 million guns in circulation?

You have to go through a similar suspension of civil rights to do so.

Are we collectively willing to give up those protections?

People say you love guns more than kids. No, I want to live in a free country, not a police state. That's why I moved here from a communist country.

You remove the guns from circulation with generous buy backs and stiff penalties for anyone found with an unregistered gun. It will take years. And it won’t get every illegal gun off the street. But it’s a start. We will be so much better off in 10-20 years if we start cleaning up our country now than just allowing the problem to keep growing.

Also, if you are a responsible legal gun owner, what the heck are you scared of? Some paperwork? You do paperwork to own a car, vote, receive mail, etc.?

I would fill out a giant stack of paperwork if it might have any chance of preventing some murders of children.

The flaw: GOP won’t agree to buy backs, Dems won’t hold to strict penalties. Look at how buy back programs were thwarted. People need to start working together, and if they are not willing to do that then people need to accept these shootings as part of every day life.

So the problem is the GOP. Get them out of office, every state, every precinct, every school board, every region. It's not a party, it's a religious death cult.

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Anonymous wrote:This bickering is disrespectful And insensitive to the middle TN community.

Let’s have a moment here to reflect on what happened, and envelop these families in love and support.

? This isn’t a site they are reading and we are not close by. Where we are close by is the federal government. What is so insensitive?

Being respectful of families who lost loved ones in a mass shooting this week is something we should all do, regardless of what state we live in. Living in a different state than someone doesn't negate the expectation of basic human decency towards them online.

Basic human decency is we can't discuss what happened AGAIN? Respectful is ensuring that this doesn't happen to another person/child/family/teacher. Disrespectful is saying "thoughts and prayers" and "let's not get emotional now". I find your post horrifically disrespectful, like shrugging your shoulders at babies being slaughtered.

Stop with the faux outrage and political vomit. This can be politicized both ways easily, but I don't want to stoop to such a low.

Verily, families of Covenant Prebyterian would appreciate thoughts and prayers and support right now.

No. I am the OP. I have previously posted that I have:

1) Comforted a close friend who knew a child from Sandy Hook and attended their funeral
2) Hid under my desk at work due to an active shooter scare
3) A close family member happened not to shop at the Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting.

I could go on about more issues. Heard gunshots from my house and called police (I live in a city). Have close family members who are teachers AND who are law enforcement.

It's REAL outrage and it's personal. Maybe it's not personal for you yet, but it will be because it's not ending. I literally do not understand your lack of empathy for why people are so upset, why they want (yes) political action, because yes, that is the only solution, the only way forward is to DO SOMETHING. Thoughts and prayers and nothing else is shameful. If it were my child, I'd want CHANGE, to ensure it never happened to another person.

From what I have read here, the "do something" people want to do something that will not be effective.
You talk about taking away all guns. That is just NOT going to happen. So, what do you recommend?

I've followed this entire thread and there are very few posts about taking all guns. Do not lie.

Some ideas for sensible gun ownership:

-Red flag laws at the federal level with drastic education about how and when to use them
-Mental health assessment for owning a gun
-Gun education class and test required to pass to own a gun like the Swiss do
-Raise minimum age to 21 to own a gun (yes in this case, it wouldn't help, but plenty of cases where it would)
-Anyone suddenly buying lots of guns all of a sudden triggers scrutiny, additional review. This woman was able to purchase 7 guns LEGALLY. That's ridiculous! It's also why democratic cities are overwhelmed with gun violence - majority of guns in crime are trafficked in from permissive gun law states statistically
-Anmunition cap

For starters.

What have you got other than thoughts and prayers and shrugging shoulders?

Just a few thoughts.....

I am all for red flag laws. As long as they are not abused.
Mental health screening for owning a gun? That is not going to happen. And, in the end... it would not be effective. Better for mental health professionals to report those who should not have access to firearms.
I'm good with a gun education class. Most firearms users do that. I did. Many gun shops will give free courses when a firearm is purchased. That is a good thing. The more education, the better.
How do we know this person "suddenly" purchased 7 guns. I have seen no reports of the time period in which she purchased them.
An ammunition cap would be crazy. It would mean that gun owners would spend less time practicing. You don't want that. Legal gun owners go to the range to practice so they can be responsible owners. A cap on ammunition would be defeating.

You and everyone like you is why we have mass shootings every few days. It’s you. You’re the problem.

What it would actually require to solve the problem is mass curtailment of civil rights and a police state.

Not sure how the freedom from being shot at school is a curtailment of civil rights. Seems like the other way around.

Ok, so lets say you want to end gun crime and prevent the mentally ill from shooting up schools. A laudable pursuit for sure.

To end gun crime, you have to round up guns. In order to do that you have to do the following:

1) Stop and frisk without probable cause
2) Target communities that commit crime at higher rates than others and tend not to have records for their firearms
3) Because we don't have firearms records for a sizeable number of firearms, we need door to door searches, particularly of people who are armed and are motivated to keep their firearms be they a criminal element, or those who believe they have a god given right to keep them
4) criminalized free speech in being able to distribute files for the creation of firearms via 3d printing

So now that we've broken the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments and had to create a giant police state, we have now provided the government with the powers to do the same for any other reason, and massively expanded police powers,

How do we also look at preventing school shootings

1) violate civil rights of people who have never committed a crime because we think they might commit a crime with red flag laws by seizing their property
2) forcing people to get treatment for mental illness when they haven't hurt anyone
3) institutionalizing people who haven't hurt themselves or others
4) created a massive surveillance state where people now report on others to the government

Do you want to live in a USA with a severely curtailed 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment and increased police powers?

I live in a blue city with guns freely accessed and trafficked from red states so I blame the GOP for every gunshot I hear. Literally just implementing already constitutional blue state gun laws at a federal level would reduce crime in my backyard FFS. Our local criminals source their weapons from the GOP states.

Ok so let's say we implement blue state gun laws tomorrow.

How will you remove the 400 million guns in circulation?

You have to go through a similar suspension of civil rights to do so.

Are we collectively willing to give up those protections?

People say you love guns more than kids. No, I want to live in a free country, not a police state. That's why I moved here from a communist country.

You remove the guns from circulation with generous buy backs and stiff penalties for anyone found with an unregistered gun. It will take years. And it won’t get every illegal gun off the street. But it’s a start. We will be so much better off in 10-20 years if we start cleaning up our country now than just allowing the problem to keep growing.

Also, if you are a responsible legal gun owner, what the heck are you scared of? Some paperwork? You do paperwork to own a car, vote, receive mail, etc.?

I would fill out a giant stack of paperwork if it might have any chance of preventing some murders of children.

The flaw: GOP won’t agree to buy backs, Dems won’t hold to strict penalties. Look at how buy back programs were thwarted. People need to start working together, and if they are not willing to do that then people need to accept these shootings as part of every day life.

This. It's not an either-or. Each side is blaming the other for not doing what they think should be done. The reality is we need both. We need to do the work upfront to make sure that those with guns are responsible and safe and that we keep mentally ill people and criminals away from guns. Then in the back end, we need to make punishment harsher.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The manifesto is going to be released:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/nashville-shooter-audrey-hale-s-manifesto-to-be-released-official/ar-AA19f7c5

Like a lot of people, I'll read it out of general interest, but it's not going to change the fact that it was written by a disturbed person with guns who wanted to get famous and commit suicide by cop. I mean, does it really matter what reasons these killers give for why they kill? They all have some kind of grievances, real or imagined, and they are clearly intent on dying and taking others with them in a very newsworthy fashion. The only mass killer in recent history whose motives I'd like to know is the Las Vegas shooter. He killed 60 people and wounded 100s of others and nobody knows why.

+1 doesn't matter any more than the Buffalo grocery racist shooter nor the congressional baseball game shooter. It's all just a reason to deflect from...

What can we do to decrease gun deaths? Also nobody is daying eliminate. Reduce. Gunshot wounds are the number one cause of death in the US and tje GOP is deflecting with legislation about trans kids and books. GUNS ARE THE ACTUAL DANGER.

70% OF THOSE “GUN DEATHS” ARE SUICIDES.

SUICIDES!!

We have a mental health crisis, but you keep deflecting from that.

Removing guns will not magically cure anyone, and it won’t even have an impact on suicides.

Mental health is the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The manifesto is going to be released:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/nashville-shooter-audrey-hale-s-manifesto-to-be-released-official/ar-AA19f7c5

Like a lot of people, I'll read it out of general interest, but it's not going to change the fact that it was written by a disturbed person with guns who wanted to get famous and commit suicide by cop. I mean, does it really matter what reasons these killers give for why they kill? They all have some kind of grievances, real or imagined, and they are clearly intent on dying and taking others with them in a very newsworthy fashion. The only mass killer in recent history whose motives I'd like to know is the Las Vegas shooter. He killed 60 people and wounded 100s of others and nobody knows why.

+1 doesn't matter any more than the Buffalo grocery racist shooter nor the congressional baseball game shooter. It's all just a reason to deflect from...

What can we do to decrease gun deaths? Also nobody is daying eliminate. Reduce. Gunshot wounds are the number one cause of death in the US and tje GOP is deflecting with legislation about trans kids and books. GUNS ARE THE ACTUAL DANGER.

70% OF THOSE “GUN DEATHS” ARE SUICIDES.

SUICIDES!!

We have a mental health crisis, but you keep deflecting from that.

Removing guns will not magically cure anyone, and it won’t even have an impact on suicides.

Mental health is the problem.

Removing guns would absolutely reduce suicide deaths.

I had one family member who 30 years ago tried to kill himself by slicing his wrists. Didn’t work. He is still alive.

I had another family member whose instrument of choice was a gun he’d just purchased. He died instantaneously from the gunshot to his head.

Guns are much more efficient and brutal at killing than other means of suicide. Although guns are not the most common form of suicide attempts, they are the most lethal. 85% of suicide attempts by gun end in death. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine/magazine_article/guns-suicide/

Guns plus mental health = disaster. We need mental health restrictions to own guns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The manifesto is going to be released:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/nashville-shooter-audrey-hale-s-manifesto-to-be-released-official/ar-AA19f7c5

Like a lot of people, I'll read it out of general interest, but it's not going to change the fact that it was written by a disturbed person with guns who wanted to get famous and commit suicide by cop. I mean, does it really matter what reasons these killers give for why they kill? They all have some kind of grievances, real or imagined, and they are clearly intent on dying and taking others with them in a very newsworthy fashion. The only mass killer in recent history whose motives I'd like to know is the Las Vegas shooter. He killed 60 people and wounded 100s of others and nobody knows why.

+1 doesn't matter any more than the Buffalo grocery racist shooter nor the congressional baseball game shooter. It's all just a reason to deflect from...

What can we do to decrease gun deaths? Also nobody is daying eliminate. Reduce. Gunshot wounds are the number one cause of death in the US and tje GOP is deflecting with legislation about trans kids and books. GUNS ARE THE ACTUAL DANGER.

No.
The people behind the gun pulling the trigger are the actual danger. Guns do not shoot themselves.

When a gun is used to hurt or kill innocent people it is being used by a criminal or an extremely mentally ill person. These are the people who should not have access to firearms.