Allegedly there are several options for the fall none of which include being back full time?

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Anonymous wrote:PP again. To be clear, a lot of what the AAP recommends makes sense, and aligns with what I laid out in the long post above. What I object to is their tone of, well try this, but don't worry about it if you can't live up to this regimen.

"If it isn't feasible to put these mitigation tactics in place, just open schools and so be it." As a teacher, that is not good enough for me.

Great. Find a new job. Nothing will ever be "safe" enough for teachers. You all have made that quite clear. You seem to be the one group incapable of accepting any risk at all, yet still think you should be paid your full salary.

All this strident back and forth is meaningless. Schools won't have in-person learning in Sept. because the virus isn't under control. People should be making other arrangements.

Firehouses won't have in-person firefighting because the virus isn't under control.

Grocery stores won't have in-person grocery sales because the virus isn't under control.

Meatpacking plants won't have in-person meatpacking because the virus isn't under control.

Tomato farms won't have in-person tomato-picking because the virus isn't under control.

Construction sites won't have in-person construction because the virus isn't under control.

The Navy won't have in-person Navying because the virus isn't under control.

Etc.

Right?

Compare schools to all of the other places that ARE doing virtual only. Nearly all Corporate desk jobs. I notarized documents over the Internet! The SSA is handling appointments over the phone.

Yep. School is not a corporate desk job.

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I read it. It still is impossible to execute. I say have those doctors actually go into the schools and show us... walk the talk and make sure we are doing it right. I can promise you they wouldn’t because it is impossible to execute

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In fact, I would totally love it if pediatricians were in the building on a daily basis to make sure schools and parents were compliant with their guidelines. They should have some skin in the game

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Anonymous wrote:I read it. It still is impossible to execute. I say have those doctors actually go into the schools and show us... walk the talk and make sure we are doing it right. I can promise you they wouldn’t because it is impossible to execute

Which parts are impossible to execute, specifically?

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Specifically? Let's start with compliance of the schools themselves. DCPS doesn't even have the funds to cover the changes that will need to be implemented going back to school.

Nationwide, it is estimated that we will need between 900 and 2400 per student to provide services and supplies to keep kids safe in school. DCPS only has $400 extra dollars to spend per student on this.

That's just to start. Let's add in all the public transportation students will take to get to school. Let's add in the mixing of teachers, admin and students as kids elope from the classroom and play in the bathroom stalls, fight.

Let's add in the parents that are gonna send their kids in to school sick because they have to go to work....and so much more...

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Anonymous wrote:Specifically? Let's start with compliance of the schools themselves. DCPS doesn't even have the funds to cover the changes that will need to be implemented going back to school.

Nationwide, it is estimated that we will need between 900 and 2400 per student to provide services and supplies to keep kids safe in school. DCPS only has $400 extra dollars to spend per student on this.

That's just to start. Let's add in all the public transportation students will take to get to school. Let's add in the mixing of teachers, admin and students as kids elope from the classroom and play in the bathroom stalls, fight.

Let's add in the parents that are gonna send their kids in to school sick because they have to go to work....and so much more...

So this "parents will send kids to school sick" argument has made in several threads now. Normally I would agree with this but I really don't think working parents would take this chance given the current situation knowing that quite likely the school will find out their kid is sick and was given medicine before school. And if they do this they should have a consequence-maybe a hefty fine that goes directly to the school to help pay for safety measures.

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Anonymous wrote:Specifically? Let's start with compliance of the schools themselves. DCPS doesn't even have the funds to cover the changes that will need to be implemented going back to school.

Nationwide, it is estimated that we will need between 900 and 2400 per student to provide services and supplies to keep kids safe in school. DCPS only has $400 extra dollars to spend per student on this.

That's just to start. Let's add in all the public transportation students will take to get to school. Let's add in the mixing of teachers, admin and students as kids elope from the classroom and play in the bathroom stalls, fight.

Let's add in the parents that are gonna send their kids in to school sick because they have to go to work....and so much more...

"It is estimated" by whom?

What about the public transportation? The public transportation operators in this area have already instituted the actions that the AAP recommends.

The AAP also specifically addresses the issue of children who might be sick and are in school.

Keep in mind that this is about the MITIGATION of risk. It won't be zero risk, because nothing is zero risk. It will be less risk. Less risk is good.

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Anonymous wrote:Specifically? Let's start with compliance of the schools themselves. DCPS doesn't even have the funds to cover the changes that will need to be implemented going back to school.

Nationwide, it is estimated that we will need between 900 and 2400 per student to provide services and supplies to keep kids safe in school. DCPS only has $400 extra dollars to spend per student on this.

That's just to start. Let's add in all the public transportation students will take to get to school. Let's add in the mixing of teachers, admin and students as kids elope from the classroom and play in the bathroom stalls, fight.

Let's add in the parents that are gonna send their kids in to school sick because they have to go to work....and so much more...

So this "parents will send kids to school sick" argument has made in several threads now. Normally I would agree with this but I really don't think working parents would take this chance given the current situation knowing that quite likely the school will find out their kid is sick and was given medicine before school. And if they do this they should have a consequence-maybe a hefty fine that goes directly to the school to help pay for safety measures.

Do you really think any school system is going to implement and then enforce a heavy fine system? That’s wildly unrealistic.

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Anonymous wrote:PP again. To be clear, a lot of what the AAP recommends makes sense, and aligns with what I laid out in the long post above. What I object to is their tone of, well try this, but don't worry about it if you can't live up to this regimen.

"If it isn't feasible to put these mitigation tactics in place, just open schools and so be it." As a teacher, that is not good enough for me.

Great. Find a new job. Nothing will ever be "safe" enough for teachers. You all have made that quite clear. You seem to be the one group incapable of accepting any risk at all, yet still think you should be paid your full salary.

All this strident back and forth is meaningless. Schools won't have in-person learning in Sept. because the virus isn't under control. People should be making other arrangements.

See but it is under control in Montgomery county and has been for over a month now. Have you even looked at the numbers?

It is not a closed system. PA and WVA are rising and they are right next door. All your friends and neighbors are flying south for beach vacations. I less we restrict travel it doesn’t really matt what OUR number are.

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The AAP is way out over their skis on this one.

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Anonymous wrote:PP again. To be clear, a lot of what the AAP recommends makes sense, and aligns with what I laid out in the long post above. What I object to is their tone of, well try this, but don't worry about it if you can't live up to this regimen.

"If it isn't feasible to put these mitigation tactics in place, just open schools and so be it." As a teacher, that is not good enough for me.

Great. Find a new job. Nothing will ever be "safe" enough for teachers. You all have made that quite clear. You seem to be the one group incapable of accepting any risk at all, yet still think you should be paid your full salary.

All this strident back and forth is meaningless. Schools won't have in-person learning in Sept. because the virus isn't under control. People should be making other arrangements.

See but it is under control in Montgomery county and has been for over a month now. Have you even looked at the numbers?

It is not a closed system. PA and WVA are rising and they are right next door. All your friends and neighbors are flying south for beach vacations. I less we restrict travel it doesn’t really matt what OUR number are.

PIttsburgh isn’t letting restaurants serve alcohol on premises temporarily to reduce crowds. You can purchase, but not consume. You have to carry out.

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Anonymous wrote:Specifically? Let's start with compliance of the schools themselves. DCPS doesn't even have the funds to cover the changes that will need to be implemented going back to school.

Nationwide, it is estimated that we will need between 900 and 2400 per student to provide services and supplies to keep kids safe in school. DCPS only has $400 extra dollars to spend per student on this.

That's just to start. Let's add in all the public transportation students will take to get to school. Let's add in the mixing of teachers, admin and students as kids elope from the classroom and play in the bathroom stalls, fight.

Let's add in the parents that are gonna send their kids in to school sick because they have to go to work....and so much more...

So this "parents will send kids to school sick" argument has made in several threads now. Normally I would agree with this but I really don't think working parents would take this chance given the current situation knowing that quite likely the school will find out their kid is sick and was given medicine before school. And if they do this they should have a consequence-maybe a hefty fine that goes directly to the school to help pay for safety measures.

Until there’s a harsh consequence, parents will continue to do this. Even with a harsh consequence people will continue to do it. Look at drunk driving.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Specifically? Let's start with compliance of the schools themselves. DCPS doesn't even have the funds to cover the changes that will need to be implemented going back to school.

Nationwide, it is estimated that we will need between 900 and 2400 per student to provide services and supplies to keep kids safe in school. DCPS only has $400 extra dollars to spend per student on this.

That's just to start. Let's add in all the public transportation students will take to get to school. Let's add in the mixing of teachers, admin and students as kids elope from the classroom and play in the bathroom stalls, fight.

Let's add in the parents that are gonna send their kids in to school sick because they have to go to work....and so much more...

So this "parents will send kids to school sick" argument has made in several threads now. Normally I would agree with this but I really don't think working parents would take this chance given the current situation knowing that quite likely the school will find out their kid is sick and was given medicine before school. And if they do this they should have a consequence-maybe a hefty fine that goes directly to the school to help pay for safety measures.

Until there’s a harsh consequence, parents will continue to do this. Even with a harsh consequence people will continue to do it. Look at drunk driving.

This.

Parents are arguing they should be able to send their kids back in-person MID-PANDEMIC. Of course they'll send their kids sick.

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Anonymous wrote:The AAP is way out over their skis on this one.

A lot of doctors agree with you, including my spouse. I'm a research scientist, and I've always thought the AAP was a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Specifically? Let's start with compliance of the schools themselves. DCPS doesn't even have the funds to cover the changes that will need to be implemented going back to school.

Nationwide, it is estimated that we will need between 900 and 2400 per student to provide services and supplies to keep kids safe in school. DCPS only has $400 extra dollars to spend per student on this.

That's just to start. Let's add in all the public transportation students will take to get to school. Let's add in the mixing of teachers, admin and students as kids elope from the classroom and play in the bathroom stalls, fight.

Let's add in the parents that are gonna send their kids in to school sick because they have to go to work....and so much more...

So this "parents will send kids to school sick" argument has made in several threads now. Normally I would agree with this but I really don't think working parents would take this chance given the current situation knowing that quite likely the school will find out their kid is sick and was given medicine before school. And if they do this they should have a consequence-maybe a hefty fine that goes directly to the school to help pay for safety measures.

Until there’s a harsh consequence, parents will continue to do this. Even with a harsh consequence people will continue to do it. Look at drunk driving.

This.

Parents are arguing they should be able to send their kids back in-person MID-PANDEMIC. Of course they'll send their kids sick.

And trying to get fraudulent mask waivers by coercing pediatricians.