VYS Soccer - better or worse?
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Anonymous
No, winning isn't everything but you would like to see a club hitting a bit closer to .500 overall. |
Anonymous
Uuuuum........who cares....???? |
Anonymous
Hey now -- everyone on DCUM has a DS or DD who's a Division 1 college prospect, so they need to weigh the winning percentage of the local club team's top-level teams before they decide whether to enroll their kids in the U4 program. Because we all know the local Development Academy, ECNL or high-end CCL clubs' "A" teams are composed exclusively of kids who were in that club at age 6. |
Anonymous
Clearly nobody at VYS. |
Anonymous
So you're claiming that a club record across all ages of 63-133-32 of the A Teams is irrelevant in regards to development? I'll give you slight marks for the girls side which shows some improvement at the older ages as the win/loss at the younger ages does not mean as much if anything. But in general, there are few signs of improvement. Several teams at different ages went either winless or with just win. |
Anonymous
| If they suck, then don't join. As a consumer you have a right to choose clubs and do it for the right reasons. That means, your reason, not the load of BS that gets spilled on this sight. Wins are important like it or not. Having a good youth sports experience is probably more important, but a lot of times that would include your win/loss record. |
Anonymous
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Let's just start a thread for all NoVa soccer. "XYZ Soccer - better or worse?".
Comments will include: That club sucks That club is the greatest ever That club's TD is an idiot That club's TD is the greatest ever That club has no clue what is going on That club has the pulse of NoVa soccer That club is starting a DA - they are going to be awful That club is starting a DA - will steal all the kids from other clubs That club has a great Rec Program That club has a big divide between Rec and Travel Etc. Etc. Etc. Mr. Gorbachev, lock down this thread! |
Anonymous
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OK -- let me clarify here:
If you have a high-level player at U13 or above, by all means, factor in the A teams' wins and losses as part of your decision-making in where to play. Still not the only factor, but yes, a factor. At U5? Ignore all that stuff. Instill a love of the game. At U9? They're not keeping records, and you may even want to AVOID clubs that brag about how much they're winning at that age, because they might just be booting the ball from a big defender to a fast forward and ignoring everyone else's development. Even at U11, you can't read a lot into wins and losses. At the older ages, a lot of elite players have moved on to top clubs. A couple of years ago, a lot of D.C. United Academy graduates had started at Vienna. With the girls' Development Academy starting and VYS joining the Virginia Development Academy, you're going to see more talented players leaving Vienna's VPL teams. So let's do a decision tree for U13s: 1. Top-level player capable of playing DA or ECNL. Might want to go DA or ECNL. Or not. Vienna has surprisingly kept together some of its really good girls teams. 2. A-team player, but not "elite." Maybe shop around a bit. If your team is winless (as some VYS boys teams are), maybe consider moving. Or stick it out and figure you'll be playing high school half the year pretty soon anyway. (Which, by the way, throws off the records listed above. VPL scales back for the older age groups, so the dominant VYS upper-age girls teams don't get to contribute quite as many wins to this overall record, making that overall record an even poorer benchmark for the club as a whole.) 3. B-team, C-team or rec. As long as the kid's enjoying it, stay put. You're going to be in NCSL or maybe a lower EDP division, so you'll be promoted or relegated to a suitable competition level. Before U13, there's not much reason to move unless the coaching is terrible, and at VYS, it's generally not. Some of the C- or D-team coaches play kickball, but the technical staff is trying to change that. (The parents, on the other hand, think it's just fine.) Bottom line: The U14s' wins and losses don't mean squat for the U5s, U9s or even U11s. Different coaches at younger age groups, and Vienna is one of those areas with ambitious parents who'll run their kids over to Bethesda South or McLean if they think they have any talent at age 11 or 12. Vienna develops plenty of good players. Some stay, some go to DA/ECNL/Braddock Road/Bethesda South/etc. |
Anonymous
That thread exists. Minus the positive comments, unless you count "DD's club could kick your DD's club's ass." |
Anonymous
I work for a local consulting firm that fields an adult team, many of us are local and are alumni of some of the area's top clubs. We have players that were on the USMNT, D1 teams, and some that play on the 2nd and 3rd teams of local clubs. Guess what, none of us are playing for an EPL team. We work our asses off in an office and do what we love on the field after work. So for all the bitching and moaning that goes on in these forums......go out and enjoy watching your kids play. Wins/losses on the field creates a balanced learning experience. |
Anonymous
Yep, same. Some didn't even play travel or college and are excellent players but when they were growing up, they couldn't afford it and there were fewer clubs and teams. Not only enjoy watching your kid's game but instill a passion that will last for many years later so that they will continue playing when they are working professionals and can pass on the game to their kids. |
Anonymous
That is awesome, but you also actually need some wins to make the learning to be actually balanced. When across the board the clubs teams are not only losing but not even sniffing a .500 record it is no longer enough to say "none of us are playing for an EPL team." That is a cop out. Results are not the end all beat all, but they are a barometer of progress. If the kids are developing and learning at some point it would show up in results. But the number of teams that have gone win less is embarrassing. And yes, like it or not parents will put their kids in a program that demonstrates success. |
Anonymous
This isn't necessarily true of VYS, but would you consider a club to be "demonstrating success" if it had a thriving program through U12 or so and then sent a lot of good players to DA, ECNL, Loudoun, Arlington, Braddock Road, etc.? And the upper-age girls teams -- which, again, played half as many games as other teams because VPL lets teams take off for high school -- are proof that you CAN have a successful team in VYS. Some age groups keep most of their upper-level talent, some don't. And finally -- that "upper level" is what, 5 percent of the kids who play in a club? |
Anonymous
You claim that VYS has a "THRIVING" program through U12. Lets take a closer look at the girls 06, 05, and 04 teams. Now mind you, until this year there was no Girls DA to lose players to and ECNL started at U14. So for the girls side there should be no major talent drain until U14 especially if kids are developing where they are. On the Girls side: U10 5-7-1 Tournament play according to Youtsoccerrankings.com Also ranked 25th in VA, U11 went 2-13 U12 went 2-14-1 U13 went 0-17 On the Boys side: U11 went 4-11 U12 went 9-6 U13 went 0-14 Collectively VYS went 17-75!! Those were clearly some big shoes to fill when those 6-9 players from across 6 teams left for the big city. Perhaps VYS is losing a couple of kids to DA or ECNL but the impact isn't really registering. Considering that other clubs lose top players too means that they also have to find a way to stay competitive and yet this seems to elude VYS. And to claim that your program is thriving pre U12 because it is able to send, by your math, 5% of its players to DA or ECNL then I say that you have low expectations. "And the upper-age girls teams -- which, again, played half as many games as other teams because VPL lets teams take off for high school -- are proof that you CAN have a successful team in VYS. Some age groups keep most of their upper-level talent, some don't." VYS is successful simply because they have soccer teams? Again, lets look at the records: Boys: U16 0-8 U17 1-7 U18/19(2) 2-3-2 U18/19(1) 2-5 Girls: U16 2-4-1 U17 4-3-1 U18/19 4-0 Collectively, during prime scouting years for non DA/ECNL kids, VYS went 15-30-4. Again, if these numbers were at all closer to .500 a case could be made that the club is competitive while still adhering to principles of development. But quite frankly these numbers suck and there is no real way to sugar coat them. The title of this thread is "VYS Soccer - better or worse?" The answer is obviously by any metric you choose, VYS is in fact worse. Accept it and fix it. |
Anonymous
| Accept that you have no life. |