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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Let's just start a thread for all NoVa soccer. "XYZ Soccer - better or worse?".

Comments will include:

That club sucks
That club is the greatest ever
That club's TD is an idiot
That club's TD is the greatest ever
That club has no clue what is going on
That club has the pulse of NoVa soccer
That club is starting a DA - they are going to be awful
That club is starting a DA - will steal all the kids from other clubs
That club has a great Rec Program
That club has a big divide between Rec and Travel
Etc.
Etc.
Etc.

Mr. Gorbachev, lock down this thread![/quote]

That thread exists. Minus the positive comments, unless you count "DD's club could kick your DD's club's ass."[/quote]

I work for a local consulting firm that fields an adult team, many of us are local and are alumni of some of the area's top clubs.  We have players that were on the USMNT, D1 teams, and some that play on the 2nd and 3rd teams of local clubs.  Guess what, none of us are playing for an EPL team.  We work our asses off in an office and do what we love on the field after work.   So for all the bitching and moaning that goes on in these forums......go out and enjoy watching your kids play.  Wins/losses on the field creates a balanced learning experience.  [/quote]

That is awesome, but you also actually need some wins to make the learning to be actually balanced. When across the board the clubs teams are not only losing but not even sniffing a .500 record it is no longer enough to say "none of us are playing for an EPL team." That is a cop out.

Results are not the end all beat all, but they are a barometer of progress. If the kids are developing and learning at some point it would show up in results. But the number of teams that have gone win less is embarrassing.

And yes, like it or not parents will put their kids in a program that demonstrates success. [/quote]

This isn't necessarily true of VYS, but would you consider a club to be "demonstrating success" if it had a thriving program through U12 or so and then sent a lot of good players to DA, ECNL, Loudoun, Arlington, Braddock Road, etc.?

And the upper-age girls teams -- which, again, played half as many games as other teams because VPL lets teams take off for high school -- are proof that you CAN have a successful team in VYS. Some age groups keep most of their upper-level talent, some don't.

And finally -- that "upper level" is what, 5 percent of the kids who play in a club? [/quote]

You claim that VYS has a "THRIVING" program through U12. Lets take a closer look at the girls 06, 05, and 04 teams. Now mind you, until this year there was no Girls DA to lose players to and ECNL started at U14. So for the girls side there should be no major talent drain until U14 especially if kids are developing where they are.

On the Girls side:
U10 5-7-1 Tournament play according to Youtsoccerrankings.com Also ranked 25th in VA, 
U11 went 2-13
U12 went 2-14-1
U13 went 0-17

On the Boys side:
U11 went 4-11
U12 went 9-6
U13 went 0-14

Collectively VYS went 17-75!! Those were clearly some big shoes to fill when those 6-9 players from across 6 teams left for the big city.

Perhaps VYS is losing a couple of kids to DA or ECNL but the impact isn't really registering. Considering that other clubs lose top players too means that they also have to find a way to stay competitive and yet this seems to elude VYS. And to claim that your program is thriving pre U12 because it is able to send, by your math, 5% of its players to DA or ECNL then I say that you have low expectations.

[b]"And the upper-age girls teams -- which, again, played half as many games as other teams because VPL lets teams take off for high school -- are proof that you CAN have a successful team in VYS. Some age groups keep most of their upper-level talent, some don't.[/b]"

VYS is successful simply because they have soccer teams?

Again, lets look at the records:
Boys:
U16 0-8
U17 1-7
U18/19(2) 2-3-2
U18/19(1) 2-5

Girls:
U16     2-4-1
U17      4-3-1
U18/19 4-0

Collectively, during prime scouting years for non DA/ECNL kids, VYS went  15-30-4.

Again, if these numbers were at all closer to .500 a case could be made that the club is competitive while still adhering to principles of development. But quite frankly these numbers suck and there is no real way to sugar coat them.

The title of this thread is "VYS Soccer - better or worse?" The answer is obviously by any metric you choose, VYS is in fact worse. Accept it and fix it. [/quote]

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