Government Shutdown - Sep 2025 Thread

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Anonymous wrote:This, and the FY26 Senate budgets are actually not bad for most agencies. It’s the House bills and President’s proposed budget that have the large cuts. That’s another reason it’s silly to expend political capital in the Senate now on a clean CR, which also did not have cuts and maintains spending level from the last Biden budget.

+1. This is why I am perplexed too- I feel like they are wasting political capital that would be better spent later. Like what are they realistically going to get out of this? You know Schumer will blink before Trump does.

It's because they and their supporters do not know how to win against Mr Trump. They have tried everything and always failed. They took this shutdown route because YOU criticized them last time mercilessly for caving. Now they took a hard line and YOU are now saying they shouldn't have. This sums up the state of the Democratic party and their strategy.

Not quite. PP above had it right. We have been told at our agency that we should plan for the request as our spending projections under the CR. Senate mark and last year’s appropriations were more than double. Vought is not going to act in good faith.

He will act in good faith you just might get fired.

Don't care. The damage to the country is far greater if they go through with impoundment than it is to my life. That's not good faith -- Congress deems a certain level of spending as its priority. Vought thinks it is a ceiling and the actual level can be arbitrary. For now, they are squeezing sectors that Rs think are "liberal" but I worry that two can play the game. Rs aren't guaranteed complete control of all levers of power forever.

They are if they exterminate all the Ds.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Awesome WH announced construction of the $200 million ballroom will continue during the shut down and American soliders will go without pay.

If only the Dems could effectively harness these types of facts and message them...

Newsome doing a good job with it

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Non-Tax payers and unemployed people want free medical care subsidized by raising taxes oe the people who who work and pay taxes. But the people who pay taxes wont get any of these breaks.

That is what we are fighting for.

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Anonymous wrote:Awesome WH announced construction of the $200 million ballroom will continue during the shut down and American soliders will go without pay.

If only the Dems could effectively harness these types of facts and message them...

Cult doesn’t care.

It's time to secede. There are some folks working on what that would look like practically. If this administration and party would like to run the country into the ground, endanger us all, and break all norms and many laws, it's time to go.

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Anonymous wrote:Non-Tax payers and unemployed people want free medical care subsidized by raising taxes oe the people who who work and pay taxes. But the people who pay taxes wont get any of these breaks.

That is what we are fighting for.

Savor your victory when you have a life event that makes you unable to earn and pay taxes like before and you or a family member need health care you can't pay for. And the loved one in a nursing home moves into a hospital bed in your family room because with Medicare cuts the nursing home wasn't viable and closed.

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Anonymous wrote:I see a lot of people say things like "history will be on their side." I 100% agree. but there are times when I question if anyone ever cares about history anymore? that means nothing in America anymore. what a sad and dumb country.

I am a historian (furloughed!) and I had a hard realization about a decade ago that learning more history doesn't actually help you avoid repeating the wrongs of the past if people have bad *values.* Like, if you study the Civil War or WW2 and come out of it still a white supremacist, your horrible morals overruled any lessons you should have taken. Hitler is widely quoted as drawing on the Armenian genocide as an example to follow, for instance.

Why does the federal government need historians? Waste of money if you ask me.

Don't worry, I'll probably be fired shortly. Certainly, the Smithsonian Museum of American History, Library of Congress, and National Register of Historic Places don't need historians. There's absolutely nothing historic in the government.

I think this is what is wrong with America - trump people they know how to run the government and know everything. As in I know what the government does and they don't need a historical. The level of ignorance that = someone knowing enough to be dangerous is breathtaking

We are getting way off topic, but please don't fool yourself that this is ignorance. The Trump administration folks are very, very aware of what they are doing and why. You can boil MAGA down to one thing - the US is going to become a majority minority country sometime in the mid to late 2040's. That's it.

But they also are seeing that it will be majority R long before that because they are attracting the ethnicities with higher fertility rates and Ds are retaining demographics with lower fertility rates. Maybe that will shift, like all the projections during Obama that Rs were demographically done, but it should be acknowledged

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This, and the FY26 Senate budgets are actually not bad for most agencies. It’s the House bills and President’s proposed budget that have the large cuts. That’s another reason it’s silly to expend political capital in the Senate now on a clean CR, which also did not have cuts and maintains spending level from the last Biden budget.

+1. This is why I am perplexed too- I feel like they are wasting political capital that would be better spent later. Like what are they realistically going to get out of this? You know Schumer will blink before Trump does.

It's because they and their supporters do not know how to win against Mr Trump. They have tried everything and always failed. They took this shutdown route because YOU criticized them last time mercilessly for caving. Now they took a hard line and YOU are now saying they shouldn't have. This sums up the state of the Democratic party and their strategy.

Not quite. PP above had it right. We have been told at our agency that we should plan for the request as our spending projections under the CR. Senate mark and last year’s appropriations were more than double. Vought is not going to act in good faith.

He will act in good faith you just might get fired.

Don't care. The damage to the country is far greater if they go through with impoundment than it is to my life. That's not good faith -- Congress deems a certain level of spending as its priority. Vought thinks it is a ceiling and the actual level can be arbitrary. For now, they are squeezing sectors that Rs think are "liberal" but I worry that two can play the game. Rs aren't guaranteed complete control of all levers of power forever.

They are if they exterminate all the Ds.

It’s more that the Ds keep getting themselves out maneuvered and into dead ends with no good options making themselves irrelevant. There’s no effect leadership

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This, and the FY26 Senate budgets are actually not bad for most agencies. It’s the House bills and President’s proposed budget that have the large cuts. That’s another reason it’s silly to expend political capital in the Senate now on a clean CR, which also did not have cuts and maintains spending level from the last Biden budget.

+1. This is why I am perplexed too- I feel like they are wasting political capital that would be better spent later. Like what are they realistically going to get out of this? You know Schumer will blink before Trump does.

It's because they and their supporters do not know how to win against Mr Trump. They have tried everything and always failed. They took this shutdown route because YOU criticized them last time mercilessly for caving. Now they took a hard line and YOU are now saying they shouldn't have. This sums up the state of the Democratic party and their strategy.

Not quite. PP above had it right. We have been told at our agency that we should plan for the request as our spending projections under the CR. Senate mark and last year’s appropriations were more than double. Vought is not going to act in good faith.

He will act in good faith you just might get fired.

Don't care. The damage to the country is far greater if they go through with impoundment than it is to my life. That's not good faith -- Congress deems a certain level of spending as its priority. Vought thinks it is a ceiling and the actual level can be arbitrary. For now, they are squeezing sectors that Rs think are "liberal" but I worry that two can play the game. Rs aren't guaranteed complete control of all levers of power forever.

They are if they exterminate all the Ds.

You are being flippant but this is serious. As of now, the appropriations process in the Senate is bipartisan because of the filibuster. There is sincere debate among all parties involved to arrive at appropriate spending levels and set priorities. If they want unilateral priority setting, fine - nuke the filibuster, and have the debate with the White House and appropriate funds accordingly. But Vought is knifing everyone and doling out money on his whim (see the bit about the Ag research fund (https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/09/30/congress/trump-vought-cancel-food-research-funding-congress-00588358). What's the point of having a constitutional basis for "power of the purse" if it can be ignored so blatantly. While the Ds are messaging ACA subsidies as the ostensible reason for the shutdown, this is the underlying basis for it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Awesome WH announced construction of the $200 million ballroom will continue during the shut down and American soliders will go without pay.

If only the Dems could effectively harness these types of facts and message them...

Newsome doing a good job with it

Newsom has won me over. I was not a fan previously, but he’s out there slinging it back.

I’d like to stick to the high road, but it ain’t workin’ and time to get in the mud with them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Awesome WH announced construction of the $200 million ballroom will continue during the shut down and American soliders will go without pay.

If only the Dems could effectively harness these types of facts and message them...

Newsome doing a good job with it

A used car salesman looks less slick.

[Anonymous]

We were told to verify our time cards before 10 AM yesterday. Does that mean we will get paid for the recently concluded pay period next Friday or is that also on hold?

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Anonymous wrote:We were told to verify our time cards before 10 AM yesterday. Does that mean we will get paid for the recently concluded pay period next Friday or is that also on hold?

We were told to expect a partial next paycheck. We had we’ve work days in the pay period before the shut down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Awesome WH announced construction of the $200 million ballroom will continue during the shut down and American soliders will go without pay.

If only the Dems could effectively harness these types of facts and message them...

Newsome doing a good job with it

Newsom has won me over. I was not a fan previously, but he’s out there slinging it back.

I’d like to stick to the high road, but it ain’t workin’ and time to get in the mud with them.

Newsom has to fight. CA is in a deep hole with their Medi-Cal.

[Anonymous]

Now he’s saying he’s meeting with Vought today to decide which “Democrat agencies” to cut. And refers to Vought as being of the “famed Project 2025.” This is what they want. Schumer fell for this trap. End this shutdown so we can all go back to work. They can make a stronger case of “I told you so” when the premiums rise instead of holding out for a deal that’s never going to happen. Instead Trump is going to destroy govt bc right now we’re a one branch govt.

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Anonymous wrote:Now he’s saying he’s meeting with Vought today to decide which “Democrat agencies” to cut. And refers to Vought as being of the “famed Project 2025.” This is what they want. Schumer fell for this trap. End this shutdown so we can all go back to work. They can make a stronger case of “I told you so” when the premiums rise instead of holding out for a deal that’s never going to happen. Instead Trump is going to destroy govt bc right now we’re a one branch govt.

Troll. No, I won’t be calling my Senators to beg them to do Trump’s bidding just because you insist on trying to scare people.