Loudoun County School Board meeting descends into absolute chaos

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I got my BA in history in CO in the 90s. Learned none of the CRT-like facts. I am from Europe, where we learned it from the Marxist point of view. And elements of the Lost Cause narrative were presented to us back in Europe. Granted, I studied a lot more European history in college. During my grad studies is where I learned it and all the time and a lot. Backed by facts and with the presentation of the laws that enacted systemic racism over and over. Most of the laws appeared in, you guessed it, Virginia first. The idea that some HS educated white Virginians would even fathom the historically accepted facts now presented to them when they have never heard of them for 50 years.. well, to them, it is absurd, right?

exactly.

I think a lot of white people don't want to face the hard truth about the systemic racism embeded in our country's history.

I was reading about how many older Japanese people don't recognize Japan's aggressions and war crimes during WWII. People don't want to face the ugly truth about their country. They'd rather just leave the past in the past, but the problem is that the legacy of these issues still exist in our society today. How do you move on from the past when you refuse to acknowledge it? It's like any ugly event in your past.. it just festers.

That’s because because they are behaving the same way they did in that past. They just want to pretend they aren’t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These morons are protesting being censored, while at the same time demanding their sensor the curriculum? Ha, got it.

You bet they are. As is their right to question what their children are being taught.
Regardless of what you believe...... schools and teachers are NOT the parents of these kids. Parents have every right to prevent the schools from teaching their kids questionable or controversial content. And, that is what is happening here.
They may claim that "CRT" is not being taught, but when the teachers are attending workshops and training on the tenets of CRT and expected to implement these tenets in their teaching, they ARE teaching CRT. And, the dirty little secret is that once the classroom door is closed, a teacher can implement that training in ways that are inappropriate. The backlash has occurred because parents have seen some of this content because of the pandemic and the online classes their kids were forced to take. IMO, this has been a good outcome of the pandemic.

And, this meeting was scheduled to be open to public comment until 7:00 pm, but at around 5:30, they shut it down and declared it an unlawful assembly. All because the school board did not like what they were hearing. So, in reality, it was the school board and superintendent who were censoring the parents.

You can send your kid to a private if you don't like what the public school is teaching. Where did you get the idea that parents can dictate what public schools teach their kids?

If I pay taxes, I have every right to send my kids to public school. And, as a parent, I have every right to object to what they are teaching.
When more and more people object to what is being taught, perhaps the problem is with the curriculum and not the parents.

It’s not a matter of objecting, but rather how they are objecting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DP. We were able to see classes this past year. We could watch our kids' virtual classes and what was taught. And yes, there were some trial classes where the teaching was that White people are oppressors and colonizers.

Teachers may not intend to divide the students against each other. But that's the effect.

I’m very curious about the context for this. Care to share?

What they saw was probably just a run of the mill history class that covered factual evidence about how white people (especially rich white males) have, in fact, used their systemic power to oppress others in order to preserve their own positional wealth and privilege. It’s not a secret that this happened and any child reading a thorough American history book will see the pattern for themselves.

Personally, I find it insulting that instead of wanting our children to have a thorough understanding of our history (good bad and otherwise), some people are willing to literally demand censorship. Our kids are not dumb. They also have access to the internet. They’re going to figure it out at some point regardless of what they learn in school.

It’s the framing of history almost exclusively through a racial lens biased against Whites that is unacceptable, unless accompanied by information also pointing out how other societies have also protected the interests of those in other dominant racial and ethnic groups. Critical pedagogy as being implemented now is largely about demonizing White and “White-adjacent” groups for the not-so-subtle purpose of stripping Whites and Asians of power and financial resources. That’s not history; it’s politics.

My child's AAP history book had a photo of a British person being carried on a chair by several "natives." This was a class she took maybe 10 years ago, while in a LCPS high school. She showed me the photo, and we both laughed at the absurdity of the white person. We're white. I don't have a problem with teaching history the way it is. I would, however, have a problem with an anti-white slant. Why on earth would any self respecting white person allow their race to be villified? I would ask the same question regarding any other race. Would AAs allow themselves to be trashed in a modern history book? Hehe, right, that's going to happen. Would South Asians allow themselves to be trashed in a modern history book? Hehe, right, that's going to happen.

What I'm saying is the history books already state actual colonial history. The hate towards any one racial group is unacceptable. Why must one group always be singled out and demonized? The entertainment industry always seems to pick one racial or ethnic group to demonize, for example. All racial groups have abused power at one point or another in history. I don't like the video clips I've been seeing coming out of Israel from the recent past. If it weren't for YouTube, we wouldn't know about some of that stuff. Humans can be brutal towards each other. That's what they should be teaching.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are people freaking out about? Didn't Loudoun commit to opening school in person this fall?

They are freaking out that their children will learn about the role systemic racism has played in our nation’s history.

That is not true.

Loudon is planning to teach children of different skin color to hate each other through a new curriculum/training based on Critical Race Theory (CRT).

The White Supremacists think they can confuse people into believing this is wrong. They specialize in confusing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DP. We were able to see classes this past year. We could watch our kids' virtual classes and what was taught. And yes, there were some trial classes where the teaching was that White people are oppressors and colonizers.

Teachers may not intend to divide the students against each other. But that's the effect.

I’m very curious about the context for this. Care to share?

What they saw was probably just a run of the mill history class that covered factual evidence about how white people (especially rich white males) have, in fact, used their systemic power to oppress others in order to preserve their own positional wealth and privilege. It’s not a secret that this happened and any child reading a thorough American history book will see the pattern for themselves.

Personally, I find it insulting that instead of wanting our children to have a thorough understanding of our history (good bad and otherwise), some people are willing to literally demand censorship. Our kids are not dumb. They also have access to the internet. They’re going to figure it out at some point regardless of what they learn in school.

It’s the framing of history almost exclusively through a racial lens biased against Whites that is unacceptable, unless accompanied by information also pointing out how other societies have also protected the interests of those in other dominant racial and ethnic groups. Critical pedagogy as being implemented now is largely about demonizing White and “White-adjacent” groups for the not-so-subtle purpose of stripping Whites and Asians of power and financial resources. That’s not history; it’s politics.

The entire premise of history is learning about how different groups of humans treated each other over time. Politics IS history!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DP. We were able to see classes this past year. We could watch our kids' virtual classes and what was taught. And yes, there were some trial classes where the teaching was that White people are oppressors and colonizers.

Teachers may not intend to divide the students against each other. But that's the effect.

I’m very curious about the context for this. Care to share?

What they saw was probably just a run of the mill history class that covered factual evidence about how white people (especially rich white males) have, in fact, used their systemic power to oppress others in order to preserve their own positional wealth and privilege. It’s not a secret that this happened and any child reading a thorough American history book will see the pattern for themselves.

Personally, I find it insulting that instead of wanting our children to have a thorough understanding of our history (good bad and otherwise), some people are willing to literally demand censorship. Our kids are not dumb. They also have access to the internet. They’re going to figure it out at some point regardless of what they learn in school.

It’s the framing of history almost exclusively through a racial lens biased against Whites that is unacceptable, unless accompanied by information also pointing out how other societies have also protected the interests of those in other dominant racial and ethnic groups. Critical pedagogy as being implemented now is largely about demonizing White and “White-adjacent” groups for the not-so-subtle purpose of stripping Whites and Asians of power and financial resources. That’s not history; it’s politics.

My child's AAP history book had a photo of a British person being carried on a chair by several "natives." This was a class she took maybe 10 years ago, while in a LCPS high school. She showed me the photo, and we both laughed at the absurdity of the white person. We're white. I don't have a problem with teaching history the way it is. I would, however, have a problem with an anti-white slant. Why on earth would any self respecting white person allow their race to be villified? I would ask the same question regarding any other race. Would AAs allow themselves to be trashed in a modern history book? Hehe, right, that's going to happen. Would South Asians allow themselves to be trashed in a modern history book? Hehe, right, that's going to happen.

What I'm saying is the history books already state actual colonial history. The hate towards any one racial group is unacceptable. Why must one group always be singled out and demonized? The entertainment industry always seems to pick one racial or ethnic group to demonize, for example. All racial groups have abused power at one point or another in history. I don't like the video clips I've been seeing coming out of Israel from the recent past. If it weren't for YouTube, we wouldn't know about some of that stuff. Humans can be brutal towards each other. That's what they should be teaching.

Yes, and in American history it was white people who abused their power towards blacks and Native Americans. So that is what my children should learn in school. Anything else would be a lie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DP. We were able to see classes this past year. We could watch our kids' virtual classes and what was taught. And yes, there were some trial classes where the teaching was that White people are oppressors and colonizers.

Teachers may not intend to divide the students against each other. But that's the effect.

I’m very curious about the context for this. Care to share?

What they saw was probably just a run of the mill history class that covered factual evidence about how white people (especially rich white males) have, in fact, used their systemic power to oppress others in order to preserve their own positional wealth and privilege. It’s not a secret that this happened and any child reading a thorough American history book will see the pattern for themselves.

Personally, I find it insulting that instead of wanting our children to have a thorough understanding of our history (good bad and otherwise), some people are willing to literally demand censorship. Our kids are not dumb. They also have access to the internet. They’re going to figure it out at some point regardless of what they learn in school.

It’s the framing of history almost exclusively through a racial lens biased against Whites that is unacceptable, unless accompanied by information also pointing out how other societies have also protected the interests of those in other dominant racial and ethnic groups. Critical pedagogy as being implemented now is largely about demonizing White and “White-adjacent” groups for the not-so-subtle purpose of stripping Whites and Asians of power and financial resources. That’s not history; it’s politics.

My child's AAP history book had a photo of a British person being carried on a chair by several "natives." This was a class she took maybe 10 years ago, while in a LCPS high school. She showed me the photo, and we both laughed at the absurdity of the white person. We're white. I don't have a problem with teaching history the way it is. I would, however, have a problem with an anti-white slant. Why on earth would any self respecting white person allow their race to be villified? I would ask the same question regarding any other race. Would AAs allow themselves to be trashed in a modern history book? Hehe, right, that's going to happen. Would South Asians allow themselves to be trashed in a modern history book? Hehe, right, that's going to happen.

What I'm saying is the history books already state actual colonial history. The hate towards any one racial group is unacceptable. Why must one group always be singled out and demonized? The entertainment industry always seems to pick one racial or ethnic group to demonize, for example. All racial groups have abused power at one point or another in history. I don't like the video clips I've been seeing coming out of Israel from the recent past. If it weren't for YouTube, we wouldn't know about some of that stuff. Humans can be brutal towards each other. That's what they should be teaching.

I think we’re talking about the US here, with its horrible history of slavery and systemic racism.

[Anonymous]

Basic lesson for angry white parents: you get what you vote for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These morons are protesting being censored, while at the same time demanding their sensor the curriculum? Ha, got it.

You bet they are. As is their right to question what their children are being taught.
Regardless of what you believe...... schools and teachers are NOT the parents of these kids. Parents have every right to prevent the schools from teaching their kids questionable or controversial content. And, that is what is happening here.
They may claim that "CRT" is not being taught, but when the teachers are attending workshops and training on the tenets of CRT and expected to implement these tenets in their teaching, they ARE teaching CRT. And, the dirty little secret is that once the classroom door is closed, a teacher can implement that training in ways that are inappropriate. The backlash has occurred because parents have seen some of this content because of the pandemic and the online classes their kids were forced to take. IMO, this has been a good outcome of the pandemic.

And, this meeting was scheduled to be open to public comment until 7:00 pm, but at around 5:30, they shut it down and declared it an unlawful assembly. All because the school board did not like what they were hearing. So, in reality, it was the school board and superintendent who were censoring the parents.

You can send your kid to a private if you don't like what the public school is teaching. Where did you get the idea that parents can dictate what public schools teach their kids?

If I pay taxes, I have every right to send my kids to public school. And, as a parent, I have every right to object to what they are teaching.
When more and more people object to what is being taught, perhaps the problem is with the curriculum and not the parents.

You really don't, you just think you do. Please tell me where in the world parents create the curriculum? If your answer is here... then you answered the question about why the education system here sucks and you believe in fake history and refuse to have your kids learn the facts.

[Anonymous]

When one race protests and refuses to have their kids learn facts, when one race kills a different race person in broad daylight for jogging when one race murders a person of another race by choking him to death in broad daylight in front of the public or out of sight of anyone, that race forfeits the right to be written about as an innocent beautiful race... in those instances. For that race is the criminal element in our society.
When that race wants to hush up the truth, that race is a despot wannabe and in reality, has been a despotic ruler in our country.
You are all just twitching in your death throes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DP. We were able to see classes this past year. We could watch our kids' virtual classes and what was taught. And yes, there were some trial classes where the teaching was that White people are oppressors and colonizers.

Teachers may not intend to divide the students against each other. But that's the effect.

I’m very curious about the context for this. Care to share?

What they saw was probably just a run of the mill history class that covered factual evidence about how white people (especially rich white males) have, in fact, used their systemic power to oppress others in order to preserve their own positional wealth and privilege. It’s not a secret that this happened and any child reading a thorough American history book will see the pattern for themselves.

Personally, I find it insulting that instead of wanting our children to have a thorough understanding of our history (good bad and otherwise), some people are willing to literally demand censorship. Our kids are not dumb. They also have access to the internet. They’re going to figure it out at some point regardless of what they learn in school.

It’s the framing of history almost exclusively through a racial lens biased against Whites that is unacceptable, unless accompanied by information also pointing out how other societies have also protected the interests of those in other dominant racial and ethnic groups. Critical pedagogy as being implemented now is largely about demonizing White and “White-adjacent” groups for the not-so-subtle purpose of stripping Whites and Asians of power and financial resources. That’s not history; it’s politics.

The entire premise of history is learning about how different groups of humans treated each other over time. Politics IS history!

They are different disciplines. If you don't appreciate that, you're part of the problem.

[Anonymous]

According to The Economist, 64% of Americans now know about critical race theory, of which 58% have an unfavorable view, including 72% of independents who think it's "bad for America."

This is a telling statistic - Democrats tend to instinctively defend CRT and critical pedagogy because they think that will appeal to minority voters, while Republicans tend to instinctively oppose them because they think it's racist or communist. Independents tend to focus more on the specific facts, just as they look at each candidate on his or her own merits, and have concluded these approaches to education will hinder rather than help the country.

[Anonymous]

How insane that some pps here think that these Loundon parents are right and that CRT is BS.
I mean they are shouting "power, power, power..." They know what they are in favor of!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:According to The Economist, 64% of Americans now know about critical race theory, of which 58% have an unfavorable view, including 72% of independents who think it's "bad for America."

This is a telling statistic - Democrats tend to instinctively defend CRT and critical pedagogy because they think that will appeal to minority voters, while Republicans tend to instinctively oppose them because they think it's racist or communist. Independents tend to focus more on the specific facts, just as they look at each candidate on his or her own merits, and have concluded these approaches to education will hinder rather than help the country.

Let's give an exam on their understanding of CRT and how it is applied in education. I'm sure it contains a lot of misconceptions. But even if not,
even liberals (of whatever race/ethnicity) can get uncomfortable when they think specifically about how racism might still be embedded in our country's institutions. Nobody really likes confronting this. It can be uncomfortable if you're White to acknowledge aspects of privilege; it can be uncomfortable if you're Black to be in these conversations. Immigrants often idealized the US and don't want to think about the complexity of its history and how that shapes the present. CRT is hard work so I'm not surprised there are negative views. I think it may be impolitic for Democrats to focus on it, but as a fairly moderate Democrat I think confronting our racist history and how to address it is critical for our growth.

[Anonymous]

Black Americans have been demonized in the U.S. in every sphere of life, culture, media for centuries. By white people! Now, the same is not ok? Tsk, Tsk, tsk...
Not only demonized, subhumanized, but you can't take what you give?