What behavior caused you to spank?

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Anonymous wrote:Thr Lancet just published an analysis of multiple studies in the subject: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00582-1/fulltext

"The consistency of these findings indicates that physical punishment is harmful to children and that policy remedies are warranted."

those are never controlled studies. they never account for context and application.

Yeah neither did the studies that showed SIDS rates fall when you put kids on their back to sleep and yet I assume you did that?

If you want to hit your kids, just say you want to hit your kids as your preferred form of discipline. Don’t try to pretty it up by saying you’re “swatting” them or try to claim any intellectual rigor by discounting the various studies that refute it. Own your choices.

huh?

https://safetosleep.nichd.nih.gov/activities/SIDS/progress

there's a definite measurable difference.

the spanking "studies" are scientific garbage.

The critique is that they don’t control for “context” . Measurable differences are observed in hit vs. not hit kids as well.

that was but one of many, many legitimate critiques. and the problem with your measurable differences is that it's correlative. You could measure similar differences in outcome between kids who live in 8,000 square houses vs. small apartments.

Again, we know that SIDS disproportionately affects lower socioeconomic backgrounds but the studies don’t control for it and say poor kids back to sleep rich kids do whatever. The guidelines are given to all parents— just like the guidelines not to hit.

[Anonymous]

that's because I suspect lower SES parents are less likely to follow back-to-sleep guidelines.

[Anonymous]

I mean, really, you think you know better than pretty much every medical and psychological organization out there?

Just admit you like hitting your kids or you're too lazy to learn proper methods of discipline.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thr Lancet just published an analysis of multiple studies in the subject: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00582-1/fulltext

"The consistency of these findings indicates that physical punishment is harmful to children and that policy remedies are warranted."

those are never controlled studies. they never account for context and application.

Yeah neither did the studies that showed SIDS rates fall when you put kids on their back to sleep and yet I assume you did that?

If you want to hit your kids, just say you want to hit your kids as your preferred form of discipline. Don’t try to pretty it up by saying you’re “swatting” them or try to claim any intellectual rigor by discounting the various studies that refute it. Own your choices.

huh?

https://safetosleep.nichd.nih.gov/activities/SIDS/progress

there's a definite measurable difference.

the spanking "studies" are scientific garbage.

The critique is that they don’t control for “context” . Measurable differences are observed in hit vs. not hit kids as well.

that was but one of many, many legitimate critiques. and the problem with your measurable differences is that it's correlative. You could measure similar differences in outcome between kids who live in 8,000 square houses vs. small apartments.

Again, we know that SIDS disproportionately affects lower socioeconomic backgrounds but the studies don’t control for it and say poor kids back to sleep rich kids do whatever. The guidelines are given to all parents— just like the guidelines not to hit.

In other words, the guidelines are overly broad and without nuance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thr Lancet just published an analysis of multiple studies in the subject: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00582-1/fulltext

"The consistency of these findings indicates that physical punishment is harmful to children and that policy remedies are warranted."

those are never controlled studies. they never account for context and application.

Yeah neither did the studies that showed SIDS rates fall when you put kids on their back to sleep and yet I assume you did that?

If you want to hit your kids, just say you want to hit your kids as your preferred form of discipline. Don’t try to pretty it up by saying you’re “swatting” them or try to claim any intellectual rigor by discounting the various studies that refute it. Own your choices.

huh?

https://safetosleep.nichd.nih.gov/activities/SIDS/progress

there's a definite measurable difference.

the spanking "studies" are scientific garbage.

The critique is that they don’t control for “context” . Measurable differences are observed in hit vs. not hit kids as well.

that was but one of many, many legitimate critiques. and the problem with your measurable differences is that it's correlative. You could measure similar differences in outcome between kids who live in 8,000 square houses vs. small apartments.

Again, we know that SIDS disproportionately affects lower socioeconomic backgrounds but the studies don’t control for it and say poor kids back to sleep rich kids do whatever. The guidelines are given to all parents— just like the guidelines not to hit.

In other words, the guidelines are overly broad and without nuance.

"Only poor people should be told not to hit their kids. Rich people hitting their kids is different because.... reasons"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thr Lancet just published an analysis of multiple studies in the subject: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00582-1/fulltext

"The consistency of these findings indicates that physical punishment is harmful to children and that policy remedies are warranted."

those are never controlled studies. they never account for context and application.

Yeah neither did the studies that showed SIDS rates fall when you put kids on their back to sleep and yet I assume you did that?

If you want to hit your kids, just say you want to hit your kids as your preferred form of discipline. Don’t try to pretty it up by saying you’re “swatting” them or try to claim any intellectual rigor by discounting the various studies that refute it. Own your choices.

huh?

https://safetosleep.nichd.nih.gov/activities/SIDS/progress

there's a definite measurable difference.

the spanking "studies" are scientific garbage.

The critique is that they don’t control for “context” . Measurable differences are observed in hit vs. not hit kids as well.

that was but one of many, many legitimate critiques. and the problem with your measurable differences is that it's correlative. You could measure similar differences in outcome between kids who live in 8,000 square houses vs. small apartments.

Again, we know that SIDS disproportionately affects lower socioeconomic backgrounds but the studies don’t control for it and say poor kids back to sleep rich kids do whatever. The guidelines are given to all parents— just like the guidelines not to hit.

In other words, the guidelines are overly broad and without nuance.

So you put your kid on their stomach? Or were the broad guidelines good enough for you then?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean, really, you think you know better than pretty much every medical and psychological organization out there?

Just admit you like hitting your kids or you're too lazy to learn proper methods of discipline.

Lazy and/or damaged from their own parents hitting them. They would rather believe hitting is okay than believe they were subjected to needless violence by their loved ones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thr Lancet just published an analysis of multiple studies in the subject: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00582-1/fulltext

"The consistency of these findings indicates that physical punishment is harmful to children and that policy remedies are warranted."

those are never controlled studies. they never account for context and application.

Yeah neither did the studies that showed SIDS rates fall when you put kids on their back to sleep and yet I assume you did that?

If you want to hit your kids, just say you want to hit your kids as your preferred form of discipline. Don’t try to pretty it up by saying you’re “swatting” them or try to claim any intellectual rigor by discounting the various studies that refute it. Own your choices.

huh?

https://safetosleep.nichd.nih.gov/activities/SIDS/progress

there's a definite measurable difference.

the spanking "studies" are scientific garbage.

The critique is that they don’t control for “context” . Measurable differences are observed in hit vs. not hit kids as well.

that was but one of many, many legitimate critiques. and the problem with your measurable differences is that it's correlative. You could measure similar differences in outcome between kids who live in 8,000 square houses vs. small apartments.

Again, we know that SIDS disproportionately affects lower socioeconomic backgrounds but the studies don’t control for it and say poor kids back to sleep rich kids do whatever. The guidelines are given to all parents— just like the guidelines not to hit.

In other words, the guidelines are overly broad and without nuance.

So you put your kid on their stomach? Or were the broad guidelines good enough for you then?

They were good enough then because, with our kids, there was no apparent downside to laying them on their backs. They slept pretty well. When they could roll over on their own, if they wanted to, we left them alone.