Manchin on DC statehood

[Anonymous]

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You aren’t thinking clearly. You don’t see value in those things. WV citizens do. They will not elect officials who might erode those things. You might not understand it, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a benefit to them.

As Lyndon Baines Johnson said in the 1960s, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

[Anonymous]

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No, Im asking what the actual benefit it. Just good feelings when a woman can’t get an abortion? Guns are not going to be taken away or freedom of religion. They’re both in the constitution. The GOP uses those issues to scare voters and drive up support. But what is the actual, tangible benefit to WV?

You aren’t thinking clearly. You don’t see value in those things. WV citizens do. They will not elect officials who might erode those things. You might not understand it, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a benefit to them.

OMG no one is taking away your guns...we just don't want crazy people to have access to them. Why do you think it is ok for people who are mentally ill to have guns?
And abortion...I thought you all were for personal freedom? Why can't I control my body how I and my doctor see fit? Why do YOU get to control my body?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Manchin cannot possibly do anything else. He represents WV. It would be unethical, really, to support DC statehood.

Unethical is not the right word, but it's true that it's not what his constituents want.

A more Democratic Senate would probably help states like WV a lot but who cares about that. It's all about culture wars.

I am from WV. We absolutely do not “benefit” from a Democratic Senate. Only the urban poor do. Obama made that VERY clear.

Really? Byrd, a democratic senator from WV, funneled obscene amounts of money to your state. You have a Coast Guard office! That makes no sense!! If you’re so unhappy with all the benefits democrats have given WV, can we get some of those funds back? Also, I’m sure another state would love to have those federal offices.

Love how these posts always go. What you, and my other critics here, don’t understand is that not everything is about money. The cultural differences are much more important. That is why you keep thinking you have elections in the bag that you then either lose or narrowly win. You don’t want to hear it, but that’s reality.

So what is the benefit to WV of a Republican senate? And I mean for the regular people of WV, not coal mining companies.

They feel most strongly about guns, religion and pro-life. You may disagree, but that’s the benefit. You Dems are the enemy, and it shocks me you don’t appear to know that.

And that is how Byrd, Manchin, etc get such great pork for the state....they give on a few things and get paid well in return for those party-line votes. We aren’t stupid, that is how the game is played.

Oh we know that yall hate Dems, Libs, Urban dwellers, or whatever else you have categorized us as, more than anything in this world. We just didnt realize that that hate applied to your friends and neighbors as well.

[Anonymous]

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You aren’t thinking clearly. You don’t see value in those things. WV citizens do. They will not elect officials who might erode those things. You might not understand it, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a benefit to them.

As Lyndon Baines Johnson said in the 1960s, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

Sounds like this is basically it. PP had no examples of benefits under the GOP under than the perception of being superior. Of course the GOP is redistributing their money to corporations and the wealthy.

[Anonymous]

Just a bunch of red states that soak off DC taxpayer money and want to suppress their ability to participate in the management of our republic.

[Anonymous]

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You aren’t thinking clearly. You don’t see value in those things. WV citizens do. They will not elect officials who might erode those things. You might not understand it, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a benefit to them.

As Lyndon Baines Johnson said in the 1960s, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

Rupert Murdoch listened and built Fox and the NY Post to do this convincing of white people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

You aren’t thinking clearly. You don’t see value in those things. WV citizens do. They will not elect officials who might erode those things. You might not understand it, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a benefit to them.

As Lyndon Baines Johnson said in the 1960s, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

Actually Ronald Reagan said that, not LBJ.

[Anonymous]

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You aren’t thinking clearly. You don’t see value in those things. WV citizens do. They will not elect officials who might erode those things. You might not understand it, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a benefit to them.

As Lyndon Baines Johnson said in the 1960s, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

Actually Ronald Reagan said that, not LBJ.

No, LBJ said it. To Bill Moyers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1988/11/13/what-a-real-president-was-like/d483c1be-d0da-43b7-bde6-04e10106ff6c/

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re: Manchin

[Anonymous]

DC is never going to become a state. Why do people think this is even remotely possible? When Democrats have 60 votes in the Senate, then DC will become a state and not before.

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Anonymous wrote:Manchin cannot possibly do anything else. He represents WV. It would be unethical, really, to support DC statehood.

Unethical is not the right word, but it's true that it's not what his constituents want.

A more Democratic Senate would probably help states like WV a lot but who cares about that. It's all about culture wars.

I am from WV. We absolutely do not “benefit” from a Democratic Senate. Only the urban poor do. Obama made that VERY clear.

Really? Byrd, a democratic senator from WV, funneled obscene amounts of money to your state. You have a Coast Guard office! That makes no sense!! If you’re so unhappy with all the benefits democrats have given WV, can we get some of those funds back? Also, I’m sure another state would love to have those federal offices.

Love how these posts always go. What you, and my other critics here, don’t understand is that not everything is about money. The cultural differences are much more important. That is why you keep thinking you have elections in the bag that you then either lose or narrowly win. You don’t want to hear it, but that’s reality.

So what is the benefit to WV of a Republican senate? And I mean for the regular people of WV, not coal mining companies.

They feel most strongly about guns, religion and pro-life. You may disagree, but that’s the benefit. You Dems are the enemy, and it shocks me you don’t appear to know that.

And that is how Byrd, Manchin, etc get such great pork for the state....they give on a few things and get paid well in return for those party-line votes. We aren’t stupid, that is how the game is played.

No, Im asking what the actual benefit it. Just good feelings when a woman can’t get an abortion? Guns are not going to be taken away or freedom of religion. They’re both in the constitution. The GOP uses those issues to scare voters and drive up support. But what is the actual, tangible benefit to WV?

You see calls for limits on guns every day on DCUM. EVERY day. Religious rights continue to be eroded away gradually -- look at the COVID threads saying a religious exemption isn't a valid reason to excuse a vaccine. Look at the war on charter schools. These things are happening and are supported by the party.

As for actual benefits, that's easy but you won't like that either. Under Obama, the mines closed. Trump opened them back up. Biden shut down the Keystone Pipeline as basically his first major move. You can send me all the articles you want about how it was going to happen anyway, and you might even be right -- but my FB feed is filled with people who lost jobs, got jobs back, are losing them again. When that's your family, care a lot more than when it's a random report in the WaPo.

The $15 minimum wage is a core issue too. People are struggling enough to find work, and they know that there will be fewer jobs. I know that didn't happen in Seattle, but rural WV isn't Seattle. Plenty of people have been working for decades and don't make $15 an hour there. They don't want to lose those jobs either, and they know they might well with a $15/hour minimum wage, because the business owners aren't any too wealthy either and there's no more fat to trim.

A local high school basketball player was shot and killed over the weekend. He's black. the white community is in an uproar about it. That could have been their kid. It is NOT all about race in WV. The mines desegregated LONG before your northern factory cities did.

[Anonymous]

When you say war on charter schools you mean "fighting rightwing billionaires and corporate education execs who are trying to steal our tax dollars and destroy schools to enrich themselves and harm you and your kids", right?

I don't know where you get your news, but your views are upside down. (For example, mining is a tiny tiny tiny part of the American labor force. Sounds like you've been reading too many rightwing lies. Even Rupert Murdoch's WSJ isn't able to bring themselves to push this particular lie. https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-promise-to-revive-coal-thwarted-by-falling-demand-cheaper-alternatives-11600269350)

The Democrats are the party of diversity and cities and they are the drivers of the American economy.
The Republicans are a proto-fascist party, ruled by billionaires, that uses their media to lie to posters like the above.

[Anonymous]

You’re telling me people who make less than $15 an hour are against a minimum wage increase to $15? I’ve never heard of anyone who wants to make less money. Fox News really got to you.

[Anonymous]

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You see calls for limits on guns every day on DCUM. EVERY day. suggesting the mentally ill not be able to legally obtain guns isn't eroding your gun rights Religious rights continue to be eroded away gradually example? last I checked, the president, the current one, is a devout practicing catholic - what religious rights have been eroded? -- look at the COVID threads saying a religious exemption isn't a valid reason to excuse a vaccine.there is no mandatory requirement for a vaccine, if you don't want it, don't get one Look at the war on charter schools. we don't want public money supporting religious education, just like you don't want public money supporting abortions...that isn't a war on charter schools These things are happening and are supported by the party.

As for actual benefits, that's easy but you won't like that either. Under Obama, the mines closed. the mines were closing anyhow, you are blaming Obama for a dying industry Trump opened them back up. LOL, statistics suggest otherwise, the net number of coal jobs srank over the last 4 years - facts matter Biden shut down the Keystone Pipeline as basically his first major move.yes, because we don't need to be heavily subsidizing fossil fuels anymore. It is a 19th century technology that causes great harm and we have better alternatives and the first step is training the blue collar workers in the new economy, but you keep voting republican and rejecting that aid You can send me all the articles you want about how it was going to happen anyway, and you might even be right -- but my FB feed is filled with people who lost jobs, got jobs back, are losing them again. When that's your family, care a lot more than when it's a random report in the WaPo. because FB is such an accurate source of information. Why bother to send you links if you aren't going to read them?

The $15 minimum wage is a core issue too. People are struggling enough to find work, and they know that there will be fewer jobs. I know that didn't happen in Seattle, but rural WV isn't Seattle. Plenty of people have been working for decades and don't make $15 an hour there. They don't want to lose those jobs either, and they know they might well with a $15/hour minimum wage, because the business owners aren't any too wealthy either and there's no more fat to trim. The GOP could engage in an honest conversation about regionalizing the minimum wage, but rejecting it outright forces the issue in a direction that you don't support. Why not demand your elected officials engage in that conversation?

A local high school basketball player was shot and killed over the weekend. He's black. the white community is in an uproar about it. That could have been their kid. It is NOT all about race in WV. The mines desegregated LONG before your northern factory cities did.horrible that a kid was shot and killed - yes people can be outraged. that doesn't undo the systemic racism that occurs in our society

[Anonymous]

The billionaires have conned the working class into believing that the poor and migrant workers are taking their jobs and opportunity. The sooner the working class wakes up to the con job that the likes of the Kochs, Murdochs and Trumps have bestowed on them, the better.

Sadly, I am not encouraged by what I read in this thread.