How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?

[Anonymous]

Most antivaxxers I know don't travel and don't send their kids to college, and are independent contractors or business owners.

So I assume they will only be affected if casinos and sporting events require vaccinations or masks. I would also assume they will fake a vaccination card.

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Anonymous wrote:Probably nothing. Rates of transmission will drop here (but not disappear) and they will skate by on our efforts, all while congratulating themselves for not “poisoning” their bodies.

Some will die. And because it’s human behavior they’ll probably still say they did the right thing while they’re gasping for breath.

Oh you should submit that to a publisher, maybe you'll get a book deal. If people avoided covid while it was blowing up and there were no vaccines, it goes to reason that, if they continue good practices (masks, etc), chances are they'll make it through.

Well, shoot, who wants to do that? Wear a mask everywhere? Keep your kids home from school? No indoor sports? No airline travel? No public transportation? Nobody in your home? No dinners with friends? No weddings? No funerals? No restaurants? I don’t know what you’ve been doing, but that’s what I did to avoid Covid. Without vaccines, you do all that...forever...and the. still end up with Covid.

And mocking me with the book deal thing? What’s that about. It was just a comment.

You guys should all just say “Thanks” to the rest of us for taking it for the team. You know, since we’re poisoning ourselves for your benefit and all.

The book deal quip was a compliment. You have a great imagination, you are persuasive, and you are skilled in hyperbole. You could write a dystopian novel or an adventure. I mean it. Also, I didn't hide in my basement to avoid covid. I took common sense measures while going about my day to day life.

Serious question. How long do you plan on continuing to take "common sense measures"? The virus isn't going away. It won't even go away if 80 percent of the population gets vaccinated. Unless you're willing to stay masked up and socially distanced for years, (which seems like a goofy choice to make), you'll eventually get infected. Maybe you'll live. Maybe not. But you'll definitely get it.

I'm an introverted misanthrope in a town full of people falling all over themselves to get vaccinated and to enter their infants in vaccine trials. My risk falls every day. I think I'm gonna make it!

I wish we could ship you off to somewhere where they’re not able to vaccinate so you can get the full benefits of your sacrifice.

See you in the re-education camps comrade! I am sure you would make a great prison guard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Leper's island for the lot!

It's a really black-and-white, cartoon world for you, isn't it?

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Anonymous wrote:Leper's island for the lot!

It's a really black-and-white, cartoon world for you, isn't it?

Ha, ha. Dcum drone!
Sense of humor is a good thing. Too bad you will never experience the joy of a sarcastic joke!

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Wish you had one. Alas.

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Anonymous wrote:If colleges are going to be able to discriminate against people for their medical history, then that is opening a whole big can of worms (and a lot of lawsuits).

Males can't get college loans if they aren't signed up for Selective Service. Tell me how that's right. It's been a rule for years. I'd say this is practically lateral and a possibility.

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Anonymous wrote:There was a parent in AZ who, when she told her child she could take off her mask, and helped her do so, the child broke down crying shouting “The air is poisoned!! I”m going to die!!”.

Very sad state

I know a 7 year old child who squatted on the floor and peed while staring her mother in the eyes, after the mother shut off the movie she wanted to watch. Of course, this was in 2016, but this obviously proves something, right? Or maybe it was a child already predisposed to mental health or behavioral issues.

She got the idea the air was poisoned because she's forced to mask because...wait for it....people are saying the air is full of virus.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't figure out how to link to it on my phone, but Forbes has a story out today that workers are starting to be fired across the country for vaccination refusal, including nurses.

The general consensus among lawyers is you can be fired from vaccine refusal.

I absolutely don't want a nurse who hasn't been vaccinated. Or a doctor or dentist. Any of them who refuse vaccines during a reading pandemic should find a different line of work.

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Anonymous wrote:Probably nothing. Rates of transmission will drop here (but not disappear) and they will skate by on our efforts, all while congratulating themselves for not “poisoning” their bodies.

Some will die. And because it’s human behavior they’ll probably still say they did the right thing while they’re gasping for breath.

Oh you should submit that to a publisher, maybe you'll get a book deal. If people avoided covid while it was blowing up and there were no vaccines, it goes to reason that, if they continue good practices (masks, etc), chances are they'll make it through.

Well, shoot, who wants to do that? Wear a mask everywhere? Keep your kids home from school? No indoor sports? No airline travel? No public transportation? Nobody in your home? No dinners with friends? No weddings? No funerals? No restaurants? I don’t know what you’ve been doing, but that’s what I did to avoid Covid. Without vaccines, you do all that...forever...and the. still end up with Covid.

And mocking me with the book deal thing? What’s that about. It was just a comment.

You guys should all just say “Thanks” to the rest of us for taking it for the team. You know, since we’re poisoning ourselves for your benefit and all.

The book deal quip was a compliment. You have a great imagination, you are persuasive, and you are skilled in hyperbole. You could write a dystopian novel or an adventure. I mean it. Also, I didn't hide in my basement to avoid covid. I took common sense measures while going about my day to day life.

Serious question. How long do you plan on continuing to take "common sense measures"? The virus isn't going away. It won't even go away if 80 percent of the population gets vaccinated. Unless you're willing to stay masked up and socially distanced for years, (which seems like a goofy choice to make), you'll eventually get infected. Maybe you'll live. Maybe not. But you'll definitely get it.

I'm an introverted misanthrope in a town full of people falling all over themselves to get vaccinated and to enter their infants in vaccine trials. My risk falls every day. I think I'm gonna make it!

Lol. You're going to make it? Make it to what? The virus will almost certainly get you iif you're nor vaccinated.

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Anonymous wrote:There was a parent in AZ who, when she told her child she could take off her mask, and helped her do so, the child broke down crying shouting “The air is poisoned!! I”m going to die!!”.

Very sad state

I know a 7 year old child who squatted on the floor and peed while staring her mother in the eyes, after the mother shut off the movie she wanted to watch. Of course, this was in 2016, but this obviously proves something, right? Or maybe it was a child already predisposed to mental health or behavioral issues.

She got the idea the air was poisoned because she's forced to mask because...wait for it....people are saying the air is full of virus.

It sounds like either it could be explained better to her, or that she might well have underlying anxiety issues, don't you think? If it is underlying anxiety, if the fixation wasn't on this, it would be on something else -- the anxiety isn't rational, and it can't be addressed by rational discussion of the fixation. But if it is parenting, then rational explanations at a level the child can understand will likely help.

Or maybe you think that is the reaction of a typical child who has had all the reassurance and explanation a good parent would give? That would be fascinating.

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Anonymous wrote:We will never have anything like Israel's internal Covid Green pass, but it has been wildly effective there.

Basically, you need to show that you have been vaccinated (and there records are centralized so there is little to no fear of people just lying or getting a fake vaccine card) to get into all sorts of places. But, because of these rules, a lot of life has gone back to pretty close to normal.

We do have centralized vaccine records, maintained on each state's existing immunization information system.

And states, such as Florida, would neeeever lie. Lol

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What system of any sort do you think is done perfectly, PP? Or do you not believe in DOT road maintenance, the state courts, public health management of food safety, and all of it?

Name the one where people never lie or abuse privileges of the system. I'll wait.

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Anonymous wrote:Will they be keeping track of people getting their booster shots, as well? What about people who missed the second shot? Is there any point, since vaccinated people can still get and spread covid-19 to other people? Life is going back to normal whether you like it or not, for people who got a vaccine and those who did not.

Yes. Every state has an "Immunization Information System," and all vaccinations within the state are tracked and can be accessed online by authorized people who have accounts (and this is not limited to medical providers). It takes less than a minute to log in and access records for someone, if you have name and date of birth.

If this becomes relevant to controlling spread, it would be very easy to portal each state's IIS info into a single federal system. I haven't heard anything about that happening, but there are not many logistical barriers to doing it. There are political ones, and those would be counterbalanced (or not) by public health interests.

No, all states haven’t been doing that

Can you cite one that hasn't? I'd like to look further into that for work reasons. Thanks.

The below makes reference to it. Essentially it’s a hodgepodge of different methods across states and some states don’t maintain up to do or central repositories. A record should I’m theory be somewhere but you probably will not be able to get access to it for verification purposes.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-vaccination-cards-are-the-only-proof-of-shots-soon-an-essential-11617105602

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Anonymous wrote:Will they be keeping track of people getting their booster shots, as well? What about people who missed the second shot? Is there any point, since vaccinated people can still get and spread covid-19 to other people? Life is going back to normal whether you like it or not, for people who got a vaccine and those who did not.

Yes. Every state has an "Immunization Information System," and all vaccinations within the state are tracked and can be accessed online by authorized people who have accounts (and this is not limited to medical providers). It takes less than a minute to log in and access records for someone, if you have name and date of birth.

If this becomes relevant to controlling spread, it would be very easy to portal each state's IIS info into a single federal system. I haven't heard anything about that happening, but there are not many logistical barriers to doing it. There are political ones, and those would be counterbalanced (or not) by public health interests.

No, all states haven’t been doing that

Can you cite one that hasn't? I'd like to look further into that for work reasons. Thanks.

The below makes reference to it. Essentially it’s a hodgepodge of different methods across states and some states don’t maintain up to do or central repositories. A record should I’m theory be somewhere but you probably will not be able to get access to it for verification purposes.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-vaccination-cards-are-the-only-proof-of-shots-soon-an-essential-11617105602

Thanks for the link, but a vague reference to a "incomplete patchwork" is not naming a state. Interestingly, the article you cite does not reference contacting any state IIS's directly, as far as I can see. There is a note that it took work to deal with the catchup and lag time, but note they were able to do so -- which means a record was tracked, just not necessarily available online *yet.*

Mr. Bali said when the company took over vaccinations in certain sites late January, they found no official record had been entered into the state database for 20% of patients.

“We had to chase tens of thousands of patients to understand what had happened; it took us a month to clean it up,” he said.

This will take money and manpower, but the various state projects can be funded and staffed, if there is need and will. We aren't there yet, but we could get there. And it's not going to be starting from scratch.

Again, name me a state, and I can tell you where they are at with this. It's part of my job.

[Anonymous]

Rite Aid has my info. And because I provided my doctor's name and insurance card it should be all tied together. If not I will just ask Rite Aid to send the info to my doctor.