Schools Pushing MEDITATION in public schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My issue with meditation is not the religious aspect but how it is viewed as a panacea for all problems. As a fed, my office pushed this on us rather than undergoing necessary reforms to deal with the stressful and unproductive work environment. It puts the onus back on the employee (or in OP's case, the kid) to manage external factors without real change.

I agree with you on this.

The reason morale plummeted at my school in 2019 was that the admin team stopped solving problems and just referred kids to the “chill zone” room and told adults to register for a free mindfulness app.

I think superficially this is a problem, however... it is actually a great life lesson for all people to learn that ultimately, the only person you can count on is you. Having tools to help you react to problems in a positive or at least neutral way is better than not having those tools, since you will always encounter problems and there is no guarantee that anyone can or will solve them for you...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Meditation is a religious practice. It is being taught in our public schools throughout Virginia under the disguise of benefits.

All religions have benefits. Regardless, the US Supreme Court has ruled that religion doesn’t belong in schools.

What? Meditation can be absolutely secular. 1000% secular.

Get a grip.

You can always kneel, close your eyes, put your hands together pointing up (🙏🏻), focus and make a wish.

What if your kid was being told to make a wish in such way, would you be ok with it when the school tells you it’s secular?

What's the non-religious purpose of putting your hands together in a praying fashion?

The movements of yoga have purpose other than supplication or praying.

Can’t you be creative? You can say any fancy Bs about anything.

For example:

We put our hands together 🙏🏻 in the ‘clapping’ position in order to channel all the stress away from our body and cast it away, at the same time drawing positive thoughts and feelings, which will flow to our mind through our hands.

[Anonymous]

Prayer, meditation, what ever you want to call it are good practices to get into. I totally support this. Kids who are atheists can focus on secular stuff, while kids who are religious can focus on the Divine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meditation is a religious practice. It is being taught in our public schools throughout Virginia under the disguise of benefits.

All religions have benefits. Regardless, the US Supreme Court has ruled that religion doesn’t belong in schools.

What? Meditation can be absolutely secular. 1000% secular.

Get a grip.

You can always kneel, close your eyes, put your hands together pointing up (🙏🏻), focus and make a wish.

What if your kid was being told to make a wish in such way, would you be ok with it when the school tells you it’s secular?

What's the non-religious purpose of putting your hands together in a praying fashion?

The movements of yoga have purpose other than supplication or praying.

Can’t you be creative? You can say any fancy Bs about anything.

For example:

We put our hands together 🙏🏻 in the ‘clapping’ position in order to channel all the stress away from our body and cast it away, at the same time drawing positive thoughts and feelings, which will flow to our mind through our hands.

Right. You agree that you are making it up.

In contrast, the poses for yoga have actual medical effect, and there is research supporting this. It's not "creative" or "fancy BS."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meditation is a religious practice. It is being taught in our public schools throughout Virginia under the disguise of benefits.

All religions have benefits. Regardless, the US Supreme Court has ruled that religion doesn’t belong in schools.

What? Meditation can be absolutely secular. 1000% secular.

Get a grip.

You can always kneel, close your eyes, put your hands together pointing up (🙏🏻), focus and make a wish.

What if your kid was being told to make a wish in such way, would you be ok with it when the school tells you it’s secular?

What's the non-religious purpose of putting your hands together in a praying fashion?

The movements of yoga have purpose other than supplication or praying.

Can’t you be creative? You can say any fancy Bs about anything.

For example:

We put our hands together 🙏🏻 in the ‘clapping’ position in order to channel all the stress away from our body and cast it away, at the same time drawing positive thoughts and feelings, which will flow to our mind through our hands.

Right. You agree that you are making it up.

In contrast, the poses for yoga have actual medical effect, and there is research supporting this. It's not "creative" or "fancy BS."

There has been plenty of research concluding that prayer has positive medical effects too. Take the Muslim prayer for example. It’s been studied to be some of the best aerobic exercise known to man. We don’t do that in PE because of its benefits.

The words you use to do whatever you want are what you do to disguise what you’re doing.

[Anonymous]

Those studies were not replicated, and they are about asking intercession from a deity.

Yoga, mindfulness, and meditation are certainly not just about asking intercession from a deity, and lo and behold! The results are well-replicated.

If you want to talk about research, post your favorite published study, and together we can look at whether it panned out in the long run, and the discussions in the literature about it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have perfect reasoning ability. You all are clueless.

I am not writing in links so the links can prove my point, but to make the point that all the links you send are meaningless, because all the sources you bring up also have written articles making my point.

You can be selective about the words you use, and pretend that you are using something secularly. It is still the wrong place for it. You think you’re being cool by adapting these behaviors, and don’t take a minute to think for a second of what they mean. You are the same people who are tearing down statues because their origins are linked to slavery, but refuse to look at the roots of meditation because it makes you think you are hip with your expense yoga pants.

You are just empty heads.

Are you an atheist? What are your positions on kids reciting the Pledge of Allegiance with the words “under God “? Do you believe in this national prayer day in the schools? Most of the people I’ve known who oppose meditation schools are conservative Christians who just don’t want “that religion “in their schools. Even though it’s not a religion.

It doesn’t matter who I am for my point to be valid.

Regardless of whether I am an atheist or conservative Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or satanist, it doesn’t make my point less valid.

Anything that includes the word God has an explicit choice for opt out, and it is not served in disguise.

If they want to calm kids down they can let them breathe fresh air with a longer recess, not practice meditation in a stuffy classroom.

You haven’t yet articulated a “point” so we can’t argue as to whether or not it is valid.

The US Supreme Court has articulated the point already. Religion has no place in our public school.

My point is that this is not being followed, because meditation, a religious practice, is being taught.

Now if you fail to see the point or wish to fail to see the point, that is your prerogative.

There are words in prayers.
Words are used at school.
So therefore, we have to ban words at school since they are used in prayers.

See your logic?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those studies were not replicated, and they are about asking intercession from a deity.

Yoga, mindfulness, and meditation are certainly not just about asking intercession from a deity, and lo and behold! The results are well-replicated.

If you want to talk about research, post your favorite published study, and together we can look at whether it panned out in the long run, and the discussions in the literature about it.

It is naive and arrogant to think that people added a physical aspect to their prayer rituals randomly. To think that for millions of years people were brutes, and you are so sophisticated because you just rediscovered that water makes wet is appalling.

All religions have mental and physical health benefits. That should not even be a question. The point is why pick the rituals of one religion over another. In public schools, since religion is not permitted, they shouldn’t pick neither. If they feel that they must, they should offer different ways for different people.

But since you didn’t know there were physical benefits from other ways of praying, here you go:



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3885840/#s1title


https://www.ijhsr.org/IJHSR_Vol.8_Issue.7_July2018/43.pdf


https://www.berkeleywellness.com/fitness/injury-prevention/article/how-praying-affects-your-body

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have perfect reasoning ability. You all are clueless.

I am not writing in links so the links can prove my point, but to make the point that all the links you send are meaningless, because all the sources you bring up also have written articles making my point.

You can be selective about the words you use, and pretend that you are using something secularly. It is still the wrong place for it. You think you’re being cool by adapting these behaviors, and don’t take a minute to think for a second of what they mean. You are the same people who are tearing down statues because their origins are linked to slavery, but refuse to look at the roots of meditation because it makes you think you are hip with your expense yoga pants.

You are just empty heads.

Are you an atheist? What are your positions on kids reciting the Pledge of Allegiance with the words “under God “? Do you believe in this national prayer day in the schools? Most of the people I’ve known who oppose meditation schools are conservative Christians who just don’t want “that religion “in their schools. Even though it’s not a religion.

It doesn’t matter who I am for my point to be valid.

Regardless of whether I am an atheist or conservative Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or satanist, it doesn’t make my point less valid.

Anything that includes the word God has an explicit choice for opt out, and it is not served in disguise.

If they want to calm kids down they can let them breathe fresh air with a longer recess, not practice meditation in a stuffy classroom.

You haven’t yet articulated a “point” so we can’t argue as to whether or not it is valid.

The US Supreme Court has articulated the point already. Religion has no place in our public school.

My point is that this is not being followed, because meditation, a religious practice, is being taught.

Now if you fail to see the point or wish to fail to see the point, that is your prerogative.

There are words in prayers.
Words are used at school.
So therefore, we have to ban words at school since they are used in prayers.

See your logic?

Meditation came from spirituality/religion, nog the other way around.

Prayer came from words, and not words from prayer. Meditation came with prayer.

[Anonymous]

A MINUTE OF SILENCE

Is not a religious either. Yes you can pray but yes you don"n have to.

So lets rename school meditation to the Mind and body centering focused silence and all good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My issue with meditation is not the religious aspect but how it is viewed as a panacea for all problems. As a fed, my office pushed this on us rather than undergoing necessary reforms to deal with the stressful and unproductive work environment. It puts the onus back on the employee (or in OP's case, the kid) to manage external factors without real change.

I agree with you on this.

The reason morale plummeted at my school in 2019 was that the admin team stopped solving problems and just referred kids to the “chill zone” room and told adults to register for a free mindfulness app.

I think superficially this is a problem, however... it is actually a great life lesson for all people to learn that ultimately, the only person you can count on is you. Having tools to help you react to problems in a positive or at least neutral way is better than not having those tools, since you will always encounter problems and there is no guarantee that anyone can or will solve them for you...

Well isn't that the most classically American individualism take.

[Anonymous]

My 4 year old has learned to sit in lotus pose and take deep, calming breaths. I'll take every second of silence I can get.

Meditation for the win!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 4 year old has learned to sit in lotus pose and take deep, calming breaths. I'll take every second of silence I can get.

Meditation for the win!

You want to science your own child. Amazing!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My 4 year old has learned to sit in lotus pose and take deep, calming breaths. I'll take every second of silence I can get.

Meditation for the win!

You want to science your own child. Amazing!!

You must not have childen Precious.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My 4 year old has learned to sit in lotus pose and take deep, calming breaths. I'll take every second of silence I can get.

Meditation for the win!

You want to science your own child. Amazing!!

* silence