Schools Pushing MEDITATION in public schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have perfect reasoning ability. You all are clueless.

I am not writing in links so the links can prove my point, but to make the point that all the links you send are meaningless, because all the sources you bring up also have written articles making my point.

You can be selective about the words you use, and pretend that you are using something secularly. It is still the wrong place for it. You think you’re being cool by adapting these behaviors, and don’t take a minute to think for a second of what they mean. You are the same people who are tearing down statues because their origins are linked to slavery, but refuse to look at the roots of meditation because it makes you think you are hip with your expense yoga pants.

You are just empty heads.

Please tell us if you are equally exercised over the Pledge of Allegiance, Halloween, Valentine’s Day and Christmas, Hanukkah or Easter images or words in school.

All of these have more direct links to religion than meditation.

I’m guessing you’re just an-Asian, though. Seems to be a trend these days, because Covid and Trump made that a little more acceptable.

Hahaha.

You’re already pointing fingers and stereotyping me.

I can be Asian or I can be failed by the public school system. Or maybe both. Who knows. There goes your anti Asian bias. You through your mindfulness. Practice better breathing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have perfect reasoning ability. You all are clueless.

I am not writing in links so the links can prove my point, but to make the point that all the links you send are meaningless, because all the sources you bring up also have written articles making my point.

You can be selective about the words you use, and pretend that you are using something secularly. It is still the wrong place for it. You think you’re being cool by adapting these behaviors, and don’t take a minute to think for a second of what they mean. You are the same people who are tearing down statues because their origins are linked to slavery, but refuse to look at the roots of meditation because it makes you think you are hip with your expense yoga pants.

You are just empty heads.

Are you an atheist? What are your positions on kids reciting the Pledge of Allegiance with the words “under God “? Do you believe in this national prayer day in the schools? Most of the people I’ve known who oppose meditation schools are conservative Christians who just don’t want “that religion “in their schools. Even though it’s not a religion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have perfect reasoning ability. You all are clueless.

I am not writing in links so the links can prove my point, but to make the point that all the links you send are meaningless, because all the sources you bring up also have written articles making my point.

You can be selective about the words you use, and pretend that you are using something secularly. It is still the wrong place for it. You think you’re being cool by adapting these behaviors, and don’t take a minute to think for a second of what they mean. You are the same people who are tearing down statues because their origins are linked to slavery, but refuse to look at the roots of meditation because it makes you think you are hip with your expense yoga pants.

You are just empty heads.

Are you an atheist? What are your positions on kids reciting the Pledge of Allegiance with the words “under God “? Do you believe in this national prayer day in the schools? Most of the people I’ve known who oppose meditation schools are conservative Christians who just don’t want “that religion “in their schools. Even though it’s not a religion.

It doesn’t matter who I am for my point to be valid.

Regardless of whether I am an atheist or conservative Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or satanist, it doesn’t make my point less valid.

Anything that includes the word God has an explicit choice for opt out, and it is not served in disguise.

If they want to calm kids down they can let them breathe fresh air with a longer recess, not practice meditation in a stuffy classroom.

[Anonymous]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned yoga in this thread. According to some is cultural appropriation of a religious practice.

I don't agree with OP, but sometimes, the idea that secularization of certain practices and even atheism is a form of religion, and MAYBE should be recognized as such sometimes niggles in my head. In that case then, non-profit status granted to mosques, temples and churches would need to extend to atheist groups, but then schools would have to ban atheistic practices in schools. However, I do not see this as practical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have perfect reasoning ability. You all are clueless.

I am not writing in links so the links can prove my point, but to make the point that all the links you send are meaningless, because all the sources you bring up also have written articles making my point.

You can be selective about the words you use, and pretend that you are using something secularly. It is still the wrong place for it. You think you’re being cool by adapting these behaviors, and don’t take a minute to think for a second of what they mean. You are the same people who are tearing down statues because their origins are linked to slavery, but refuse to look at the roots of meditation because it makes you think you are hip with your expense yoga pants.

You are just empty heads.

Are you an atheist? What are your positions on kids reciting the Pledge of Allegiance with the words “under God “? Do you believe in this national prayer day in the schools? Most of the people I’ve known who oppose meditation schools are conservative Christians who just don’t want “that religion “in their schools. Even though it’s not a religion.

It doesn’t matter who I am for my point to be valid.

Regardless of whether I am an atheist or conservative Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or satanist, it doesn’t make my point less valid.

Anything that includes the word God has an explicit choice for opt out, and it is not served in disguise.

If they want to calm kids down they can let them breathe fresh air with a longer recess, not practice meditation in a stuffy classroom.

Ps. You are correct in that meditation is not a religion. It is a religious practice, like prayer, which also is a religious practice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is so stupid.

Yep, literally picking anything to complain about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised no one has mentioned yoga in this thread. According to some is cultural appropriation of a religious practice.

I don't agree with OP, but sometimes, the idea that secularization of certain practices and even atheism is a form of religion, and MAYBE should be recognized as such sometimes niggles in my head. In that case then, non-profit status granted to mosques, temples and churches would need to extend to atheist groups, but then schools would have to ban atheistic practices in schools. However, I do not see this as practical.

Non profit status is granted to Atheist groups, and it is a protected class under protection of religion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have perfect reasoning ability. You all are clueless.

I am not writing in links so the links can prove my point, but to make the point that all the links you send are meaningless, because all the sources you bring up also have written articles making my point.

You can be selective about the words you use, and pretend that you are using something secularly. It is still the wrong place for it. You think you’re being cool by adapting these behaviors, and don’t take a minute to think for a second of what they mean. You are the same people who are tearing down statues because their origins are linked to slavery, but refuse to look at the roots of meditation because it makes you think you are hip with your expense yoga pants.

You are just empty heads.

Please tell us if you are equally exercised over the Pledge of Allegiance, Halloween, Valentine’s Day and Christmas, Hanukkah or Easter images or words in school.

All of these have more direct links to religion than meditation.

I’m guessing you’re just an-Asian, though. Seems to be a trend these days, because Covid and Trump made that a little more acceptable.

Hahaha.

You’re already pointing fingers and stereotyping me.

I can be Asian or I can be failed by the public school system. Or maybe both. Who knows. There goes your anti Asian bias. You through your mindfulness. Practice better breathing.

You certainly do an excellent impression of a troll, what with your laughter, nonsensical sentences, and continual attacks to mask your lack of convincing arguments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have perfect reasoning ability. You all are clueless.

I am not writing in links so the links can prove my point, but to make the point that all the links you send are meaningless, because all the sources you bring up also have written articles making my point.

You can be selective about the words you use, and pretend that you are using something secularly. It is still the wrong place for it. You think you’re being cool by adapting these behaviors, and don’t take a minute to think for a second of what they mean. You are the same people who are tearing down statues because their origins are linked to slavery, but refuse to look at the roots of meditation because it makes you think you are hip with your expense yoga pants.

You are just empty heads.

Are you an atheist? What are your positions on kids reciting the Pledge of Allegiance with the words “under God “? Do you believe in this national prayer day in the schools? Most of the people I’ve known who oppose meditation schools are conservative Christians who just don’t want “that religion “in their schools. Even though it’s not a religion.

It doesn’t matter who I am for my point to be valid.

Regardless of whether I am an atheist or conservative Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or satanist, it doesn’t make my point less valid.

Anything that includes the word God has an explicit choice for opt out, and it is not served in disguise.

If they want to calm kids down they can let them breathe fresh air with a longer recess, not practice meditation in a stuffy classroom.

Ps. You are correct in that meditation is not a religion. It is a religious practice, like prayer, which also is a religious practice.

For the immense majority of people, meditation is NOT a religious practice.

[Anonymous]

Amazing. I would love if my kid's school taught meditation. She does a little bit in her kid's yoga class and I think it's good. There are always breathing awareness exercises at the end of my barre class, and I find it very useful.

Meditation is not a religious belief or practice. People from many religions do a form of meditation as part of their practice (including Buddhists, Catholics, Hindus, Muslims, and even secular Humanists), but there is not a religion based on solely on the idea of meditation. If a school teaches breathing exercises and thought detachment without any spiritual component, I can't see any court I've ever encountered ruling that this is a violation of separation of church and state.

Though OP is making a compelling argument as to why, if a school is teaching meditation as part of its curriculum, it's would be a good idea to instead call it something like "Nervous System Calming and Breathing Awareness." Which is actually what it is. People freak out about anything that reminds them, personally, of religion, even if it's not religious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have perfect reasoning ability. You all are clueless.

I am not writing in links so the links can prove my point, but to make the point that all the links you send are meaningless, because all the sources you bring up also have written articles making my point.

You can be selective about the words you use, and pretend that you are using something secularly. It is still the wrong place for it. You think you’re being cool by adapting these behaviors, and don’t take a minute to think for a second of what they mean. You are the same people who are tearing down statues because their origins are linked to slavery, but refuse to look at the roots of meditation because it makes you think you are hip with your expense yoga pants.

You are just empty heads.

Are you an atheist? What are your positions on kids reciting the Pledge of Allegiance with the words “under God “? Do you believe in this national prayer day in the schools? Most of the people I’ve known who oppose meditation schools are conservative Christians who just don’t want “that religion “in their schools. Even though it’s not a religion.

It doesn’t matter who I am for my point to be valid.

Regardless of whether I am an atheist or conservative Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or satanist, it doesn’t make my point less valid.

Anything that includes the word God has an explicit choice for opt out, and it is not served in disguise.

If they want to calm kids down they can let them breathe fresh air with a longer recess, not practice meditation in a stuffy classroom.

Ps. You are correct in that meditation is not a religion. It is a religious practice, like prayer, which also is a religious practice.

For the immense majority of people, meditation is NOT a religious practice.

Because they are ignorant. They are taught that religion has no place in public school teachings. Then they are taught meditation and trust their teachers.

Ignorant = lacking knowledge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Meditation is a religious practice. It is being taught in our public schools throughout Virginia under the disguise of benefits.

All religions have benefits. Regardless, the US Supreme Court has ruled that religion doesn’t belong in schools.

Meditation is something that some religions incorporate into their practice, but it's not an exclusively religious practice. Kind of like singing, or lighting candles, or reading out loud are often incorporated into religious practice. Would you be upset if someone read your child a story at school, because churches read out loud to students. If no, then this is equally absurd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Amazing. I would love if my kid's school taught meditation. She does a little bit in her kid's yoga class and I think it's good. There are always breathing awareness exercises at the end of my barre class, and I find it very useful.

Meditation is not a religious belief or practice. People from many religions do a form of meditation as part of their practice (including Buddhists, Catholics, Hindus, Muslims, and even secular Humanists), but there is not a religion based on solely on the idea of meditation. If a school teaches breathing exercises and thought detachment without any spiritual component, I can't see any court I've ever encountered ruling that this is a violation of separation of church and state.

Though OP is making a compelling argument as to why, if a school is teaching meditation as part of its curriculum, it's would be a good idea to instead call it something like "Nervous System Calming and Breathing Awareness." Which is actually what it is. People freak out about anything that reminds them, personally, of religion, even if it's not religious.

If parents are fine with their kids meditating, even though it may be a religious practice different from their own, that’s fine with me. They ought to have the choice though.

However, I may prefer my kid to pray in order to relax. I would really prefer the kid to play a lot and then be exhausted and have no need for meditation or adderall.

The origin of meditation is very important. It is a component of a religion and is being secularized, but so can be done with prayer. We can pray to the universe instead of god. There have been countless studies on the benefits of prayer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazing. I would love if my kid's school taught meditation. She does a little bit in her kid's yoga class and I think it's good. There are always breathing awareness exercises at the end of my barre class, and I find it very useful.

Meditation is not a religious belief or practice. People from many religions do a form of meditation as part of their practice (including Buddhists, Catholics, Hindus, Muslims, and even secular Humanists), but there is not a religion based on solely on the idea of meditation. If a school teaches breathing exercises and thought detachment without any spiritual component, I can't see any court I've ever encountered ruling that this is a violation of separation of church and state.

Though OP is making a compelling argument as to why, if a school is teaching meditation as part of its curriculum, it's would be a good idea to instead call it something like "Nervous System Calming and Breathing Awareness." Which is actually what it is. People freak out about anything that reminds them, personally, of religion, even if it's not religious.

If parents are fine with their kids meditating, even though it may be a religious practice different from their own, that’s fine with me. They ought to have the choice though.

However, I may prefer my kid to pray in order to relax. I would really prefer the kid to play a lot and then be exhausted and have no need for meditation or adderall.

The origin of meditation is very important. It is a component of a religion and is being secularized, but so can be done with prayer. We can pray to the universe instead of god. There have been countless studies on the benefits of prayer.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Kabat-Zinn

Also on the Buddhist origin of mindfulness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazing. I would love if my kid's school taught meditation. She does a little bit in her kid's yoga class and I think it's good. There are always breathing awareness exercises at the end of my barre class, and I find it very useful.

Meditation is not a religious belief or practice. People from many religions do a form of meditation as part of their practice (including Buddhists, Catholics, Hindus, Muslims, and even secular Humanists), but there is not a religion based on solely on the idea of meditation. If a school teaches breathing exercises and thought detachment without any spiritual component, I can't see any court I've ever encountered ruling that this is a violation of separation of church and state.

Though OP is making a compelling argument as to why, if a school is teaching meditation as part of its curriculum, it's would be a good idea to instead call it something like "Nervous System Calming and Breathing Awareness." Which is actually what it is. People freak out about anything that reminds them, personally, of religion, even if it's not religious.

If parents are fine with their kids meditating, even though it may be a religious practice different from their own, that’s fine with me. They ought to have the choice though.

However, I may prefer my kid to pray in order to relax. I would really prefer the kid to play a lot and then be exhausted and have no need for meditation or adderall.

The origin of meditation is very important. It is a component of a religion and is being secularized, but so can be done with prayer. We can pray to the universe instead of god. There have been countless studies on the benefits of prayer.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Kabat-Zinn

Also on the Buddhist origin of mindfulness.

Ps. Actually people unfortunately freak out when they hear that someone is religious, as if it’s some plague.

A reformed Jew will say: oh, we’re reformed
A relaxed Christian will say: oh, we are not conservative Christians
A poor Muslim who wants acceptance will even change the way they dress.