Universities and Colleges with less Cancel Culture?

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Anonymous wrote:Team OP. I’m pretty liberal but it’s become a bit much. We lost the working-class and need to figure out a way to reach a swath of folks, not just focus on identity politics. I’m in favor of most of the ideas but not the dogmatism (as a PP noted, I’ve had my fill of that from the right). If we don’t want this country to completely fracture, as it almost did in this past election, we have to figure out a better way. Pronouns are not the problem here. And the economic elite like those at area privates being smug and hyper about cancel culture is not the way. Maybe private s should be canceled, since they propagate economic disparity and school inequality, despite whatever scholarships they dole out. Siphoning kids away from the public school system is worse than being careless about pronouns or reading Dr. Seuss.

You are buying into the Fox News hype. "Cancel Culture" is a product of the Fox/right wing echo machine.

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Way to go propagating a RWNJ talking point.

DP. I don't even watch or read RWNJ outlets. I'm a liberal. You don't have to subscribe to RWNJ theories to recognize that today's progressivism is vicious and that the right to non-offensive speech is undermining the free exchange of ideas that is essential to a college education, and our democracy, but that's another story.

Cancel culture is real. How do I know this? I'm a liberal, but I do not feel free to express my opinions. Some of my opinions I don't feel free to express (except anonymously):
- I disagreed with closing schools and think schools should be 5 days a week
- I disagree with giving minors gender transforming hormones without their parent's consent because the long term health consequences are unknown, and I don't believe a 13-year-old has the wisdom to permanently transform their body in irrevocable ways
- I think that the focus on identity politics is divisive, brings out the worst in our country, and ignores huge swaths of the population that don't fit neatly into one group (my family, for example)

Were I to express these views publicly, I would probably face dire professional consequences so I sit quietly on the sidelines.

+1. I think people are using “cancel culture” differently. I agree with you left is unwilling to hear alternative thought, even if it’s ultimately compatible with being liberal.

But I think that not being able to freely speak your mind without facing dire professional consequences is the essence of cancel culture. It's scary.

I have to add though, someone like Central Park Karen should face real life consequences. I just wish the jury of social media wolves weren’t the ones to decide her fate.

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Anonymous wrote:University of Texas made their football players sing the "eyes of texas" to top donor's like a minstrel show. that might be a good fit.

OP HERE- Please stop. I asked for no snark. WE ARE NOT CONSERVATIVE!! We are liberal- we just want a place that allows for dialogue!!!

Ironic. You trying to dictate how people respond to you.

The answer, OP, is most colleges and universities will have what you're looking for. If your child (and it's your CHILD who needs to be concerned about this, not you) is so put off by factions of radicals, most campuses have those too. Maybe trade school would be a better fit if they can't handle that?

Ironically, it is this type of response to OP's question that she is trying to avoid. You immediately rejected her point of view and then tried to relegate her kid to trade school. Do you see what you did there? Stop it. She's entitled to her view points and questions. You can respect that, choose not to answer, and move on.

Well, her point of view is not valid. So yes, I did that. Because I am correcting her. We don’t need to pretend like everyone’s opinion is valid just because they express it.

This is probably the most progressive, liberal response on this thread. To try to inject a bit of self-awareness, YOU are exactly who the OP is trying to avoid, and with good reason.

DP...so I guess we are ok with Nazi point of views running rampant in our culture without consequence.

OP, is not a Nazi and neither are her viewpoints. That is the exact problem. Her views are completely valid but she's being shut down and now there's a comparison to Nazis. This is the craziness she's trying to avoid.

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Anonymous wrote:Team OP. I’m pretty liberal but it’s become a bit much. We lost the working-class and need to figure out a way to reach a swath of folks, not just focus on identity politics. I’m in favor of most of the ideas but not the dogmatism (as a PP noted, I’ve had my fill of that from the right). If we don’t want this country to completely fracture, as it almost did in this past election, we have to figure out a better way. Pronouns are not the problem here. And the economic elite like those at area privates being smug and hyper about cancel culture is not the way. Maybe private s should be canceled, since they propagate economic disparity and school inequality, despite whatever scholarships they dole out. Siphoning kids away from the public school system is worse than being careless about pronouns or reading Dr. Seuss.

You are buying into the Fox News hype. "Cancel Culture" is a product of the Fox/right wing echo machine.

+1

Way to go propagating a RWNJ talking point.

DP. I don't even watch or read RWNJ outlets. I'm a liberal. You don't have to subscribe to RWNJ theories to recognize that today's progressivism is vicious and that the right to non-offensive speech is undermining the free exchange of ideas that is essential to a college education, and our democracy, but that's another story.

Cancel culture is real. How do I know this? I'm a liberal, but I do not feel free to express my opinions. Some of my opinions I don't feel free to express (except anonymously):
- I disagreed with closing schools and think schools should be 5 days a week
- I disagree with giving minors gender transforming hormones without their parent's consent because the long term health consequences are unknown, and I don't believe a 13-year-old has the wisdom to permanently transform their body in irrevocable ways
- I think that the focus on identity politics is divisive, brings out the worst in our country, and ignores huge swaths of the population that don't fit neatly into one group (my family, for example)

Were I to express these views publicly, I would probably face dire professional consequences so I sit quietly on the sidelines.

I would dare say you aren't liberal or conservative, just a human being that has the ability to formulate their own views...this as you said is the rub, woke culture isn't just about cool, do what you want, it is embrace my philosophy fully or you are bad. Do people not see the danger in this?

I think you can see from this thread that, no, the “woke” don’t see the danger.

Yeah, I get it. A PP said Gen Z is going to whiplash, I agree. There is a book called The Fourth Turning about generational differences throughout history, it's a good read.

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So, maybe not Purdue:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/purdue-university-pays-white-fragility-author-7000-90-minute-virtual-event

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Anonymous wrote:I am following this thread with interest. My two teens are at a DC private. Earlier this year, my DS had two assignments in one week to write papers (in separate classes) about his white privilege. We are super liberal, and our kids are pretty liberal too, but they say that they just don't want everything to be about race. So for them, they are starting to look for colleges that are not over-the-top one-sided.

If you read about privilege, the is the exact definition of it. Not wanting to deal with racial issues when POC have to deal with it daily. Opting out of a discussion that affects their livelihood is privilege.

I’ve learned this through reading up on it.

Well, goody for you. That's your opinion that many of us do not share.

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OP where do you draw the line on cancel culture? UMDCP changed the name of the football stadium because Byrd was not just a racist of the time but an active one at UMD. Princeton is changing the name of the the Woodrow Wilson school for similar reasons, although to some those are less clear/obvious as Byrd. UPenn and U of Iowa removed Steve Wynn's name from buildings because of sexual misconduct/assault. Do you support any of those moves? None?

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Anonymous wrote:Team OP. I’m pretty liberal but it’s become a bit much. We lost the working-class and need to figure out a way to reach a swath of folks, not just focus on identity politics. I’m in favor of most of the ideas but not the dogmatism (as a PP noted, I’ve had my fill of that from the right). If we don’t want this country to completely fracture, as it almost did in this past election, we have to figure out a better way. Pronouns are not the problem here. And the economic elite like those at area privates being smug and hyper about cancel culture is not the way. Maybe private s should be canceled, since they propagate economic disparity and school inequality, despite whatever scholarships they dole out. Siphoning kids away from the public school system is worse than being careless about pronouns or reading Dr. Seuss.

You are buying into the Fox News hype. "Cancel Culture" is a product of the Fox/right wing echo machine.

+1

Way to go propagating a RWNJ talking point.

DP. I don't even watch or read RWNJ outlets. I'm a liberal. You don't have to subscribe to RWNJ theories to recognize that today's progressivism is vicious and that the right to non-offensive speech is undermining the free exchange of ideas that is essential to a college education, and our democracy, but that's another story.

Cancel culture is real. How do I know this? I'm a liberal, but I do not feel free to express my opinions. Some of my opinions I don't feel free to express (except anonymously):
- I disagreed with closing schools and think schools should be 5 days a week
- I disagree with giving minors gender transforming hormones without their parent's consent because the long term health consequences are unknown, and I don't believe a 13-year-old has the wisdom to permanently transform their body in irrevocable ways
- I think that the focus on identity politics is divisive, brings out the worst in our country, and ignores huge swaths of the population that don't fit neatly into one group (my family, for example)

Were I to express these views publicly, I would probably face dire professional consequences so I sit quietly on the sidelines.

I would dare say you aren't liberal or conservative, just a human being that has the ability to formulate their own views...this as you said is the rub, woke culture isn't just about cool, do what you want, it is embrace my philosophy fully or you are bad. Do people not see the danger in this?

I think you can see from this thread that, no, the “woke” don’t see the danger.

So what are we going to do about this as a culture? I am in the same boat as OP. I don't want to spend 70k a year to have my children brainwashed into being enforcers of some type of cultural revolution.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am following this thread with interest. My two teens are at a DC private. Earlier this year, my DS had two assignments in one week to write papers (in separate classes) about his white privilege. We are super liberal, and our kids are pretty liberal too, but they say that they just don't want everything to be about race. So for them, they are starting to look for colleges that are not over-the-top one-sided.

If you read about privilege, the is the exact definition of it. Not wanting to deal with racial issues when POC have to deal with it daily. Opting out of a discussion that affects their livelihood is privilege.

I’ve learned this through reading up on it.

Well, goody for you. That's your opinion that many of us do not share.

It’s not my opinion. I’m white. Black people have expressed this, so I conveyed it. You didn’t appear to consider it all with your first patronizing statement.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Team OP. I’m pretty liberal but it’s become a bit much. We lost the working-class and need to figure out a way to reach a swath of folks, not just focus on identity politics. I’m in favor of most of the ideas but not the dogmatism (as a PP noted, I’ve had my fill of that from the right). If we don’t want this country to completely fracture, as it almost did in this past election, we have to figure out a better way. Pronouns are not the problem here. And the economic elite like those at area privates being smug and hyper about cancel culture is not the way. Maybe private s should be canceled, since they propagate economic disparity and school inequality, despite whatever scholarships they dole out. Siphoning kids away from the public school system is worse than being careless about pronouns or reading Dr. Seuss.

You are buying into the Fox News hype. "Cancel Culture" is a product of the Fox/right wing echo machine.

+1

Way to go propagating a RWNJ talking point.

DP. I don't even watch or read RWNJ outlets. I'm a liberal. You don't have to subscribe to RWNJ theories to recognize that today's progressivism is vicious and that the right to non-offensive speech is undermining the free exchange of ideas that is essential to a college education, and our democracy, but that's another story.

Cancel culture is real. How do I know this? I'm a liberal, but I do not feel free to express my opinions. Some of my opinions I don't feel free to express (except anonymously):
- I disagreed with closing schools and think schools should be 5 days a week
- I disagree with giving minors gender transforming hormones without their parent's consent because the long term health consequences are unknown, and I don't believe a 13-year-old has the wisdom to permanently transform their body in irrevocable ways
- I think that the focus on identity politics is divisive, brings out the worst in our country, and ignores huge swaths of the population that don't fit neatly into one group (my family, for example)

Were I to express these views publicly, I would probably face dire professional consequences so I sit quietly on the sidelines.

I would dare say you aren't liberal or conservative, just a human being that has the ability to formulate their own views...this as you said is the rub, woke culture isn't just about cool, do what you want, it is embrace my philosophy fully or you are bad. Do people not see the danger in this?

I think you can see from this thread that, no, the “woke” don’t see the danger.

So what are we going to do about this as a culture? I am in the same boat as OP. I don't want to spend 70k a year to have my children brainwashed into being enforcers of some type of cultural revolution.

I think there has always been a woke far left, they’re just now extremely loud. I think the best thing you can do is promote more centrist values like the PP said, and continue to vote for centrist politicians willing to hear other voices. I would put Biden in this camp. I think it’s a good thing that he’s not liberal enough for some people. He shouldn’t be, he is everyone’s president and I respect that he said our country needs a strong Republican Party. I’m a democrat and agree with him that a continued pull to keep democrats closer to the center is important.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Team OP. I’m pretty liberal but it’s become a bit much. We lost the working-class and need to figure out a way to reach a swath of folks, not just focus on identity politics. I’m in favor of most of the ideas but not the dogmatism (as a PP noted, I’ve had my fill of that from the right). If we don’t want this country to completely fracture, as it almost did in this past election, we have to figure out a better way. Pronouns are not the problem here. And the economic elite like those at area privates being smug and hyper about cancel culture is not the way. Maybe private s should be canceled, since they propagate economic disparity and school inequality, despite whatever scholarships they dole out. Siphoning kids away from the public school system is worse than being careless about pronouns or reading Dr. Seuss.

You are buying into the Fox News hype. "Cancel Culture" is a product of the Fox/right wing echo machine.

+1

Way to go propagating a RWNJ talking point.

DP. I don't even watch or read RWNJ outlets. I'm a liberal. You don't have to subscribe to RWNJ theories to recognize that today's progressivism is vicious and that the right to non-offensive speech is undermining the free exchange of ideas that is essential to a college education, and our democracy, but that's another story.

Cancel culture is real. How do I know this? I'm a liberal, but I do not feel free to express my opinions. Some of my opinions I don't feel free to express (except anonymously):
- I disagreed with closing schools and think schools should be 5 days a week
- I disagree with giving minors gender transforming hormones without their parent's consent because the long term health consequences are unknown, and I don't believe a 13-year-old has the wisdom to permanently transform their body in irrevocable ways
- I think that the focus on identity politics is divisive, brings out the worst in our country, and ignores huge swaths of the population that don't fit neatly into one group (my family, for example)

Were I to express these views publicly, I would probably face dire professional consequences so I sit quietly on the sidelines.

I would dare say you aren't liberal or conservative, just a human being that has the ability to formulate their own views...this as you said is the rub, woke culture isn't just about cool, do what you want, it is embrace my philosophy fully or you are bad. Do people not see the danger in this?

I think you can see from this thread that, no, the “woke” don’t see the danger.

So what are we going to do about this as a culture? I am in the same boat as OP. I don't want to spend 70k a year to have my children brainwashed into being enforcers of some type of cultural revolution.

Honestly, I think the majority of liberals think that it has gone too far but are too scared to say anything. Most people fall in the middle and reject either extreme. I think that if we just speak out more against the nonsensical cancels (not Central Park Karen, e.g), we can move the needle. I've started being vocal about this with more of my friends and have discovered to my surprise that I'm not really in the minority here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am following this thread with interest. My two teens are at a DC private. Earlier this year, my DS had two assignments in one week to write papers (in separate classes) about his white privilege. We are super liberal, and our kids are pretty liberal too, but they say that they just don't want everything to be about race. So for them, they are starting to look for colleges that are not over-the-top one-sided.

If you read about privilege, the is the exact definition of it. Not wanting to deal with racial issues when POC have to deal with it daily. Opting out of a discussion that affects their livelihood is privilege.

I’ve learned this through reading up on it.

Well, goody for you. That's your opinion that many of us do not share.

Please explain what you've read on the subject and your self-examination process that led to that opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:OP -- I have not read all the responses, but feel similar to you. Other than UChicago, I think NW, Penn, Michigan, Wisconsin, UT, Vanderbilt, UVA, Emory, Wake Forrest, UC Boulder, UC Santa Barbara, W&L, Davidson, VA Tech, MIT, Notre Dame, and Villanova are all possibilities.

I'm from Santa Barbara, and I'm not sure UCSB would fit the bill. I'm thinking maybe more along the lines of Cal Poly SLO.
Also the military academies. They have a way of moving past all the BS. The problem is getting accepted; now there's a hard task

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Don't forget Liberty.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Team OP. I’m pretty liberal but it’s become a bit much. We lost the working-class and need to figure out a way to reach a swath of folks, not just focus on identity politics. I’m in favor of most of the ideas but not the dogmatism (as a PP noted, I’ve had my fill of that from the right). If we don’t want this country to completely fracture, as it almost did in this past election, we have to figure out a better way. Pronouns are not the problem here. And the economic elite like those at area privates being smug and hyper about cancel culture is not the way. Maybe private s should be canceled, since they propagate economic disparity and school inequality, despite whatever scholarships they dole out. Siphoning kids away from the public school system is worse than being careless about pronouns or reading Dr. Seuss.

You are buying into the Fox News hype. "Cancel Culture" is a product of the Fox/right wing echo machine.

+1

Way to go propagating a RWNJ talking point.

DP. I don't even watch or read RWNJ outlets. I'm a liberal. You don't have to subscribe to RWNJ theories to recognize that today's progressivism is vicious and that the right to non-offensive speech is undermining the free exchange of ideas that is essential to a college education, and our democracy, but that's another story.

Cancel culture is real. How do I know this? I'm a liberal, but I do not feel free to express my opinions. Some of my opinions I don't feel free to express (except anonymously):
- I disagreed with closing schools and think schools should be 5 days a week
- I disagree with giving minors gender transforming hormones without their parent's consent because the long term health consequences are unknown, and I don't believe a 13-year-old has the wisdom to permanently transform their body in irrevocable ways
- I think that the focus on identity politics is divisive, brings out the worst in our country, and ignores huge swaths of the population that don't fit neatly into one group (my family, for example)

Were I to express these views publicly, I would probably face dire professional consequences so I sit quietly on the sidelines.

- you want to risk the health of teachers and the community during a deadly pandemic?
- you want to insert your opinion into the decisions of other families and their doctors?
- you want to ignore racial injustice?

I can see why you'd want to keep those opinions to yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Team OP. I’m pretty liberal but it’s become a bit much. We lost the working-class and need to figure out a way to reach a swath of folks, not just focus on identity politics. I’m in favor of most of the ideas but not the dogmatism (as a PP noted, I’ve had my fill of that from the right). If we don’t want this country to completely fracture, as it almost did in this past election, we have to figure out a better way. Pronouns are not the problem here. And the economic elite like those at area privates being smug and hyper about cancel culture is not the way. Maybe private s should be canceled, since they propagate economic disparity and school inequality, despite whatever scholarships they dole out. Siphoning kids away from the public school system is worse than being careless about pronouns or reading Dr. Seuss.

You are buying into the Fox News hype. "Cancel Culture" is a product of the Fox/right wing echo machine.

+1

Way to go propagating a RWNJ talking point.

DP. I don't even watch or read RWNJ outlets. I'm a liberal. You don't have to subscribe to RWNJ theories to recognize that today's progressivism is vicious and that the right to non-offensive speech is undermining the free exchange of ideas that is essential to a college education, and our democracy, but that's another story.

Cancel culture is real. How do I know this? I'm a liberal, but I do not feel free to express my opinions. Some of my opinions I don't feel free to express (except anonymously):
- I disagreed with closing schools and think schools should be 5 days a week
- I disagree with giving minors gender transforming hormones without their parent's consent because the long term health consequences are unknown, and I don't believe a 13-year-old has the wisdom to permanently transform their body in irrevocable ways
- I think that the focus on identity politics is divisive, brings out the worst in our country, and ignores huge swaths of the population that don't fit neatly into one group (my family, for example)

Were I to express these views publicly, I would probably face dire professional consequences so I sit quietly on the sidelines.

1. School closings do not fall on party lines. Most my conservative friends have opted to keep their kids home.
2. So you think people under the age of 18 should not get contraception without a parent's consent, or a vaccine? This is not about gender, it's about medical care... that is how the law works, you can't just pick 1 type of treatment and make a different rule about it. Some parents don't believe in cancer treatment, is that okay?
3. How is that related to colleges?