Will the WTU illegally strike? Not return on 2/1

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Anonymous wrote:The gag is that everything you just mentioned starts at home and not in a public building.

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Anonymous wrote:So disgusted with teachers. There aren’t words. My job has been in person the whole pandemic. Meanwhile, the only things my first grader has learned have come from me teaching after work. For shame. Shame!

And we are disgusted with parents like you. Shame! Shame!

Huh? You don't make any sense.

NP. They make perfect sense. These idiotic wails of "I've worked in person the whole time!" are absurd. If your job absolutely, positively, 100% cannot be done in person (inpatient nurse, postal worker, surgeon, etc), then you should be in person. Otherwise, if your employer treats you like crap and forces you to be in person when you could be at home during a pandemic, that's not a good thing or something to be emulated.

People who can work from home (and yes, teachers CAN and ARE and will continue to work from home) should do so until vaccination is prevalent or case rates drop dramatically. You can scream all you want, but that's what will happen.

But you're NOT doing all of your teacher job from home; parents are doing a large portion of it for you.

The idiotic wails of “we ARE doing our job, you just may not like it” are what have really pushed me into the “WTF teachers” camp. Can you all just not admit that you are not doing 100% of your job right now? I totally understand why schools closed back in March, but now, many schools have adapted and made teaching in person safe.

Teachers seem to want it all - work from home, free childcare for THEIR children, and to be first in line for the vaccine. Most people didn’t get any one of those things, let alone all three.

This. We're waaaaay past the point when schools should have reopened.

No I want the bus I take to run so I don't have to spend $25 a day on lyft. All of you are yelling at teachers but have said nothing about other jobs that are running at a much, much lower capacity. But that doesn't matter to you because it has no impact on your life.

You're just as selfish as some teachers, how about you admit that?

Maybe those other jobs don't affect a fundamental societal function and the well-being and future prospects of millions of vulnerable citizens without a strong lobby? This is about what's the right policy when you look at the big picture, not about individual DCUM posters who may or may not be selfish.

Oh, you are one of those who think public school is NOT a fundamental societal function. Ok, so we can stop talking to you, since we can't even agree on basic facts.

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The district provided equipment, access, and the teachers are there. Where does the responsibility lie?

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Anonymous wrote:Of course it isn't because it was thrown on teachers suddenly and there is a learning curve. I would love to see the EOY data comparing how much learning was actually lost for the students that were logging on every day for Zoom and completing their asynch lessons. I bet it will be minimal.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really just curious.

If DCPS’ virtual learning is so completely useless, why are you having your children log into live sessions everyday? It’s pretty obvious you think they are getting something from it. It’s not perfect of course nor is it ideal, but it’s a pandemic and we are all just trying to keep ourselves and our families alive.

Parents are arguing it’s not as effective as in person, not that for every kid it’s totally useless. But for many lower elementary, online learning is ineffective. Does that mean it’s better to have nothing at all? No. But there are lots of aspects of teaching they are lost via online learning. And it has been a year of this, so it’s time to adapt a bit and try to get some kids back in the classroom.

- teacher who knows online learning is not as effective as in person

No, what you need to compare is how the kids who didn't log on would have done if school had been in person. The fact that many never log on is a massive part of the problem is absolutely due to the inadequacy of the virtual format to serve these kids due to their circumstances. You can't just say "what I'm doing is fine if those who have the discipline and support to follow along with the virtual format are doing fine". Your job isn't limited to serving those kids.

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We recognize you, poster who always writes above the quote rather than below like everybody else, and your format is as annoying as your arguments are nonsensical.

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Anonymous wrote:You have got to be kidding? An employer FORCING their employees to participate in a medical procedure. Some of you frighten me. Who is selfish now?

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OR we can all just

1. Calm TF down.
2. Give time for those who choose to vaccinate to vaccinate.
3. Focus on bringing ALL DCPS buildings up to standard.
4. Finish the year virtual and start planning for another model in the fall.
5. Focus on staying healthy and practicing safe sanitary practices.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, the union is preparing to strike.

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Here are the facts, decide for yourself what you think will happen.

1. PERB rules in favor of the WTU, end of October, from the original complaint for violation of the contract, filed in July. DCPS forced to negotiate with WTU (this was a major F-up of DCPS BTW, they had July-Oct to work with union.)
2. DCPS has to abandon early November opening because of PERB ruling, WTU strikes/sick-outs and bizarrely considers it a win.
3. Nov - Now; DCPS kicks all the planning to each school, abandons the staffing survey (cause they had to) which gave teachers a lot of flexibility; WTU plans to sign MOA and then backtracks multiples times until it's filed; asks Elissa Silverman to sponsor a bill (which she does) that is ultimately withdrawn; WTU heavily lobbies city council (now the whole cause the Ed committee has been disbanded); WTU consistently messages its members unsafe, unsafe, unsafe, unsafe so much that who would expect anything other than certain death if returning to school.
4. 1/19 WTU files emergency complaint with PERB to calling for immediate arbitration for what sounds like violations of MOA; arbitration will probably happen next week.

If arbitration rules in favor of DCPS and there is no legal injunction forcing DCPS to change course, what do you think will happen? If you don't believe the back-up plan is a strike, I can't help you.

you lost me at “choose to vaccinate.” there should be no quarter for DCPS teachers and staff that turn down vaccination and refuse go return to work.

Sorry buttercup. Nobody is forcing you to vaccinate (right now), but you can and should be terminated if you both refuse to vaccinate and refuse to return to the classroom. Obviously.

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Derail. Of course.

Anonymous wrote:We recognize you, poster who always writes above the quote rather than below like everybody else, and your format is as annoying as your arguments are nonsensical.

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Anonymous wrote:Derail. Of course.

Anonymous wrote:We recognize you, poster who always writes above the quote rather than below like everybody else, and your format is as annoying as your arguments are nonsensical.

DP. I hope this idiot is ghosted in every thread so she stops posting above the quotes. Just stop responding to her.

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Anonymous wrote:While I disagree with the last statement I implore you to answer honestly...if you were in that position wouldn't you? Sounds like some projection going on here. Teachers as a profession are some of the least selfish people around. They tolerate lower pay with higher education requirements to do their job but when it comes to wanting to live COVID free suddenly they the most selfish people on the planet. GTFOH. You sound ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:So disgusted with teachers. There aren’t words. My job has been in person the whole pandemic. Meanwhile, the only things my first grader has learned have come from me teaching after work. For shame. Shame!

And we are disgusted with parents like you. Shame! Shame!

Huh? You don't make any sense.

NP. They make perfect sense. These idiotic wails of "I've worked in person the whole time!" are absurd. If your job absolutely, positively, 100% cannot be done in person (inpatient nurse, postal worker, surgeon, etc), then you should be in person. Otherwise, if your employer treats you like crap and forces you to be in person when you could be at home during a pandemic, that's not a good thing or something to be emulated.

People who can work from home (and yes, teachers CAN and ARE and will continue to work from home) should do so until vaccination is prevalent or case rates drop dramatically. You can scream all you want, but that's what will happen.

But you're NOT doing all of your teacher job from home; parents are doing a large portion of it for you.

The idiotic wails of “we ARE doing our job, you just may not like it” are what have really pushed me into the “WTF teachers” camp. Can you all just not admit that you are not doing 100% of your job right now? I totally understand why schools closed back in March, but now, many schools have adapted and made teaching in person safe.

Teachers seem to want it all - work from home, free childcare for THEIR children, and to be first in line for the vaccine. Most people didn’t get any one of those things, let alone all three.

This. We're waaaaay past the point when schools should have reopened.

I think this was directed at my earlier post and my honest answer is yes, when my office went to 10% staffing in March and asked people to stay behind, I volunteered to come in. I am young, healthy, and have reliable child care, while many of my colleagues don’t enjoy those things. So I volunteered to take the risk. A lot of people are *thank goodness* more like me than like you.

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Anonymous wrote:Why? You do realize there we have less than 6 months left of school at this point and a routine has been established? You do realize the the numbers are extremely high right now? You do realize that there are 2 rounds of vaccine required and some people haven't even taken one. I don't understand your hurry. Give it time.

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OR we can all just

1. Calm TF down.
2. Give time for those who choose to vaccinate to vaccinate.
3. Focus on bringing ALL DCPS buildings up to standard.
4. Finish the year virtual and start planning for another model in the fall.
5. Focus on staying healthy and practicing safe sanitary practices.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, the union is preparing to strike.

Source??

Here are the facts, decide for yourself what you think will happen.

1. PERB rules in favor of the WTU, end of October, from the original complaint for violation of the contract, filed in July. DCPS forced to negotiate with WTU (this was a major F-up of DCPS BTW, they had July-Oct to work with union.)
2. DCPS has to abandon early November opening because of PERB ruling, WTU strikes/sick-outs and bizarrely considers it a win.
3. Nov - Now; DCPS kicks all the planning to each school, abandons the staffing survey (cause they had to) which gave teachers a lot of flexibility; WTU plans to sign MOA and then backtracks multiples times until it's filed; asks Elissa Silverman to sponsor a bill (which she does) that is ultimately withdrawn; WTU heavily lobbies city council (now the whole cause the Ed committee has been disbanded); WTU consistently messages its members unsafe, unsafe, unsafe, unsafe so much that who would expect anything other than certain death if returning to school.
4. 1/19 WTU files emergency complaint with PERB to calling for immediate arbitration for what sounds like violations of MOA; arbitration will probably happen next week.

If arbitration rules in favor of DCPS and there is no legal injunction forcing DCPS to change course, what do you think will happen? If you don't believe the back-up plan is a strike, I can't help you.

Stay virtual all year and plan “another model” for fall. Absolutely not. Once the vaccine is an option for teachers, every single teacher should be back. The only “models” for fall should be making sure than 100% of kids who want in person get it. If kids have the option to be vaccinated by fall, then kids should be 100% back too.

Why am I in a hurry when people are on threads saying I shouldn’t worry because there are less the six months of school left? Are you joking? We’re not even halfway through the school year and I’m supposed to write off the whole year? No thanks. That’s exactly the same thing we were told last year, you know when virtually no teaching was provided and then school was literally cancelled for the last 3 weeks. You know, so we could get ready for actual teaching this year? Oh wait...

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I’m a DCPS parent and I support the WTU.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really just curious.

If DCPS’ virtual learning is so completely useless, why are you having your children log into live sessions everyday? It’s pretty obvious you think they are getting something from it. It’s not perfect of course nor is it ideal, but it’s a pandemic and we are all just trying to keep ourselves and our families alive.

I mean, because it’s legally required unless I plan to home school? Because 25% of an education is better than nothing?

Hmmmm...I’m not sure where you’ve been ALL year but live sessions aren’t legally required. All you need to do is login via Canvas daily to be marked present.

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I am a teacher with relatively responsible students who do attend class and there is no way we are learning as much as in person. We are way behind where I normally am in the curriculum at this point in the year. Therefore we haven’t learned as much just based on that fact.

I teach HS and I wouldn’t normally give open note tests and quizzes but what choice do I have in virtual learning? And kids can miss class and just take the test at a different time. How do I know they aren’t just using another classmates work? I really don’t. Just like I don’t know if they used the internet to look up answers or their older sibling to help them. So I doubt they know the material as well as my students in person.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a DCPS parent and I support the WTU.

you may enroll in the online charter school. let everyone else go to school. nobody cares about your virtue signaling and grandstanding.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a DCPS parent and I support the WTU.

you may enroll in the online charter school. let everyone else go to school. nobody cares about your virtue signaling and grandstanding.

And you can pay for private school, I heard those are open.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a DCPS parent and I support the WTU.

you may enroll in the online charter school. let everyone else go to school. nobody cares about your virtue signaling and grandstanding.

And you can pay for private school, I heard those are open.

tell me again about how this is all about rich white moms? “let them eat cake.”

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Anonymous wrote:I am a teacher with relatively responsible students who do attend class and there is no way we are learning as much as in person. We are way behind where I normally am in the curriculum at this point in the year. Therefore we haven’t learned as much just based on that fact.

I teach HS and I wouldn’t normally give open note tests and quizzes but what choice do I have in virtual learning? And kids can miss class and just take the test at a different time. How do I know they aren’t just using another classmates work? I really don’t. Just like I don’t know if they used the internet to look up answers or their older sibling to help them. So I doubt they know the material as well as my students in person.

Ditto.