Is Arab American POC? Does it help for admissions?

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Anonymous wrote:There are many Arabs who live in North Africa. So what you’re all really saying is that, despite one’s skin color, one can only be considered POC if they have sub-Saharan African or Native American ancestry.

Nope, I consider most Asians as well as Aborigines and Polynesians POC. But there are people who have lived in Asia for generations who are 100% European. They are not POC.

Wait what? So you’re administering a purity test around who gets to be considered Asian.

Dp.. omg.. you can't be serious.

There is a difference between nationality, race and ethnicity.

I am Asian American - nationality
I am Asian - race
I am Korean - ethnicity

So, even if a white person was born in Asian, that person is still racially not Asian.

I can't believe we keep having this conversation.

So what percent Korean do you have to be to be considered Korean? Don’t you realize the problems with what you’re saying?

no, I don't.

But since you asked.. I did a DNA test and found I'm 100% Korean.

BTW, my kids are 50% Korean and 50% some European. They say they are half of each because.. that's what they are.

My question stands: What % Korean do you need to be to be considered Korean?

One parent korean = half korean kid
One parent half Korean = quarter korean kid
One parent quarter Korea = Eighth korean kid

After that, the "koreanness" becomes so diluted you don't even look Asian. I have a relative like this.

I guess you could go Elizabeth Warren's route and claim you are Korean or Native American, for that matter, if you have even 3% drop of blood, but then you would get ridiculed, like she did.

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Well thats exactly how some kids in this area have gotten in .

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For most competitive colleges to get admitted as native american you have to be registered with a tribe and show evidence of that. You need a number. It is not trivial and not "checking a box". If you knew anything about this topic you would know that.

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Anonymous wrote:For most competitive colleges to get admitted as native american you have to be registered with a tribe and show evidence of that. You need a number. It is not trivial and not "checking a box". If you knew anything about this topic you would know that.

Not just the competitive colleges. The big state universities also ask.

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges want under represented minorities, not just any kind. Middle easterners aren't considered URM, so even though they have been subjected to prejudices it doesn't count for the college who wants to brag about their diversity. You're better off if you can find a great great grandparent who was pacific islander.

and yes, if you have any african roots, check off black. You'd surprised by how many rich, white kids are checking minority boxes under dubious situations.

Is 7% enough?

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Anonymous wrote:I think you should flag it somewhere. Maybe “other?” I don’t think Arab Americans consider themselves white, right? And most white people don’t consider arab Americans white.

It depends. Arabs are diverse. While most have darker complexions, some are very white and have blue or green eyes. Others like Sudanese are very dark and more African-looking.

This is true. I’m married to a lighter skin Arab man, and I definitely think his family considers themselves white, although it’s never come up in conversation.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a big push to add MENA designation to the census. My guess is that it will succeed eventually. Whether it helps on college admissions, I don't know. Fwiw I work on issues related to the Middle East and most of my younger colleagues who are of Arab/Iranian descent consider themselves to be POC.

Can you give an explanation to this instead of simply assuming people are supposed to know what Mena is?

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Anonymous wrote:Most half AA kids are simply treated as AA by US society. They aren’t unfairly taking advantage of anything.

You think Megan Markle and Mariah Carey were treated as black by U.S society?

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Anonymous wrote:If the college wants to boost their stats, it's how you mark the box, not what you write in the essay. They don't go reading each essay when generating their stats. The essay serves a different purpose, also beneficial though.

You need to look at the college. I'm half Asian and half White. I chose the race that worked best for me for each college, based on their stats. For example, Iowa State is 3.5% Asian so it's better to be Asian than white there: https://www.registrar.iastate.edu/sites/default/files/uploads/stats/minority/Fall%202020%20Multicultural%20reports.pdf

If you lie on a college application, they can kick you out. If you lie on the FAFSA or financial aid documents, it is a Federal offense. I think there is a lot of bad information being given, and most people either do not know or do not care about the actual rules, but feigning ignorance is not a defense.

How is it lying? I'm 50% Asian, and 50% White. Why can't I identify with either of those?

You can identify as Native American if that is how you identify. Who is the school to tell you how you identify? They won’t dispute that you identify as the race you put on your application. How could they disprove what a person identifies as?

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Look at how many people tried to give Elizabeth Warren a pass with a straight face

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Anonymous wrote:Most half AA kids are simply treated as AA by US society. They aren’t unfairly taking advantage of anything.

You think Megan Markle and Mariah Carey were treated as black by U.S society?

Mariah Carey suffered in her neighborhood growing up as a biracial child. She is old enough that this was a very real hateful prejudice. She talks about it in early 90s interviews and playing armchair psychologist, i think it impacted her mentally through the current day.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you should flag it somewhere. Maybe “other?” I don’t think Arab Americans consider themselves white, right? And most white people don’t consider arab Americans white.

It depends. Arabs are diverse. While most have darker complexions, some are very white and have blue or green eyes. Others like Sudanese are very dark and more African-looking.

This is true. I’m married to a lighter skin Arab man, and I definitely think his family considers themselves white, although it’s never come up in conversation.

In my experience Arabs from the middle east & north Africa consider themselves white. Sudanese I don't know but I thought they must think black but that could be my ignorance.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a big push to add MENA designation to the census. My guess is that it will succeed eventually. Whether it helps on college admissions, I don't know. Fwiw I work on issues related to the Middle East and most of my younger colleagues who are of Arab/Iranian descent consider themselves to be POC.

Can you give an explanation to this instead of simply assuming people are supposed to know what Mena is?

MENA = Middle East North Africa. A very large, culturally and ethnically diverse part of the world.

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Anonymous wrote:For most competitive colleges to get admitted as native american you have to be registered with a tribe and show evidence of that. You need a number. It is not trivial and not "checking a box". If you knew anything about this topic you would know that.

You're incorrect.

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Anonymous wrote:Most half AA kids are simply treated as AA by US society. They aren’t unfairly taking advantage of anything.

Both AA and half AA applicants are taking advantage of a system that discriminates against other minorities, Asians. There are a finite number of students admitted every year. Its not like the less qualified AA students are just filling "extra" slots.

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Anonymous wrote:For most competitive colleges to get admitted as native american you have to be registered with a tribe and show evidence of that. You need a number. It is not trivial and not "checking a box". If you knew anything about this topic you would know that.

You're incorrect.

No, I am not.

https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/t/native-american-heritage-common-app-for-non-federally-recognized-tribes/2030973

On the common app in particular, it asks you to provide your tribal ID number to prove you are a part of a federally recognized Native American tribe.

Harvard does not, but most do:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2005/2/10/native-americans-question-admissions-some-fear/

When Erica A. Scott ’06, president of Native Americans at Harvard College (NAHC), applied to Dartmouth College and Stanford University, they required her to complete an additional heritage form, validating her tribal affiliation. When she sent her résume to Cornell University, they asked her to send a photocopy of a tribal I.D. card or tribe enrollment letter.

See how I looked stuff up before I commented, and provided links? Took me 5 min and now no one thinks I am an idiot. Try it.