Is John Hopkins an Ivy?

[Anonymous]

I mean, let me expand: Stanford is just as good as any Ivy League school.

Why is it not in the Ivy League? Because it’s stupid for a CA school to be in an athletic conference with East Coast schools. Plus, Stanford wants to play FBS football. Hence, they’re in the PAC-12.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For the record, the Ivy League bonds together with much more than sports. Their admissions offices meet each year, they share resources, and they even release all their RD admissions decisions on the same day. What does that have to do with sports?

But what’s the origin of all of that? Sports.

All of you trying to make it out to be this magical thing that goes beyond an ultimately arbitrary group of schools are delusional.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Ivy League is a football league. Nothing more, nothing less. The geography of the schools (aka in the NE, where historic wealth has been in the USA) and their age have made them popular with rich white people since their conception. That has meant that they have long-standing connections into rich circles. That means lots of money, which means great research opportunities ... ergo ... they’re desirable.

But at the end of the day, it’s an athletic league. It’s not some sort of designation that can be earned by any university that fulfills certain criteria.

People need to get the fk over the Ivy League.

God this canard is so, so very stupid.

“Ivy League” has very common vernacular meaning around the globe. That’s undeniable. To equate it with “PAC 10” is completely ridiculous. Words have meanings societies assign to them which is frequently beyond their origin. Get over it.

But at the end of the day, it’s an athletic conference. Yes, the schools are all considered excellent, but what binds them is the athletic league. Nothing else.

No. It isn’t. It has another meaning to most of the world, rightly or wrongly. The fact that you feel compelled to make that point is the proof it isn’t true.

No one ever says “The PAC 10 is just a sports league”. Understand?

Umm ... of course the PAC-10 is an athletic conference. What else is it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Ivy League is a football league. Nothing more, nothing less. The geography of the schools (aka in the NE, where historic wealth has been in the USA) and their age have made them popular with rich white people since their conception. That has meant that they have long-standing connections into rich circles. That means lots of money, which means great research opportunities ... ergo ... they’re desirable.

But at the end of the day, it’s an athletic league. It’s not some sort of designation that can be earned by any university that fulfills certain criteria.

People need to get the fk over the Ivy League.

God this canard is so, so very stupid.

“Ivy League” has very common vernacular meaning around the globe. That’s undeniable. To equate it with “PAC 10” is completely ridiculous. Words have meanings societies assign to them which is frequently beyond their origin. Get over it.

But at the end of the day, it’s an athletic conference. Yes, the schools are all considered excellent, but what binds them is the athletic league. Nothing else.

No. It isn’t. It has another meaning to most of the world, rightly or wrongly. The fact that you feel compelled to make that point is the proof it isn’t true.

No one ever says “The PAC 10 is just a sports league”. Understand?

Umm ... of course the PAC-10 is an athletic conference. What else is it?

Also, it’s the PAC-12, not the PAC-10.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean, let me expand: Stanford is just as good as any Ivy League school.

Why is it not in the Ivy League? Because it’s stupid for a CA school to be in an athletic conference with East Coast schools. Plus, Stanford wants to play FBS football. Hence, they’re in the PAC-12.

You keep making the opposite point of the one you think you are.

Say “Ivy League college” to the next 10 people you meet and ask them what it means. Not one will reference sports primarily.

Then say “PAC 12” to the next 10. Majority won’t know, but those that do will ONLY reference sports.

It has taken a meaning beyond its original one.

You’re like the guy arguing that drugstore brand cotton swabs shouldn’t be referred to as Q-tips. Or that tomatoes shouldn’t be referred to as a vegetable. Both technically true, but petulant, stupid and irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, let me expand: Stanford is just as good as any Ivy League school.

Why is it not in the Ivy League? Because it’s stupid for a CA school to be in an athletic conference with East Coast schools. Plus, Stanford wants to play FBS football. Hence, they’re in the PAC-12.

You keep making the opposite point of the one you think you are.

Say “Ivy League college” to the next 10 people you meet and ask them what it means. Not one will reference sports primarily.

Then say “PAC 12” to the next 10. Majority won’t know, but those that do will ONLY reference sports.

It has taken a meaning beyond its original one.

You’re like the guy arguing that drugstore brand cotton swabs shouldn’t be referred to as Q-tips. Or that tomatoes shouldn’t be referred to as a vegetable. Both technically true, but petulant, stupid and irrelevant.

My point is that you all think the Ivy League is some designation that indicates the schools are better than any other school in the country. You think it means something. It doesn’t.

The ties that bind those schools together have nothing to do with merit.

[Anonymous]

I’ll expand: The fact that all of those schools are excellent is a function of their individual histories, not a function of the League itself.

The Ivy League as an organization is not why they are excellent. They are excellent on their own and just *happen* to be in a group together.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, let me expand: Stanford is just as good as any Ivy League school.

Why is it not in the Ivy League? Because it’s stupid for a CA school to be in an athletic conference with East Coast schools. Plus, Stanford wants to play FBS football. Hence, they’re in the PAC-12.

You keep making the opposite point of the one you think you are.

Say “Ivy League college” to the next 10 people you meet and ask them what it means. Not one will reference sports primarily.

Then say “PAC 12” to the next 10. Majority won’t know, but those that do will ONLY reference sports.

It has taken a meaning beyond its original one.

You’re like the guy arguing that drugstore brand cotton swabs shouldn’t be referred to as Q-tips. Or that tomatoes shouldn’t be referred to as a vegetable. Both technically true, but petulant, stupid and irrelevant.

My point is that you all think the Ivy League is some designation that indicates the schools are better than any other school in the country. You think it means something. It doesn’t.

The ties that bind those schools together have nothing to do with merit.

You just made a claim, bonded above, which is untrue. I am not the only poster arguing but I did not make that claim. Who did?

My argument is the dismissive “The Ivy League is just a sports league” canard is a tired, and false, old bit of ignorance. It means more than that to the schools themselves and to the world in general. Not to you — which is fine. But that doesn’t make it true overall.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, let me expand: Stanford is just as good as any Ivy League school.

Why is it not in the Ivy League? Because it’s stupid for a CA school to be in an athletic conference with East Coast schools. Plus, Stanford wants to play FBS football. Hence, they’re in the PAC-12.

You keep making the opposite point of the one you think you are.

Say “Ivy League college” to the next 10 people you meet and ask them what it means. Not one will reference sports primarily.

Then say “PAC 12” to the next 10. Majority won’t know, but those that do will ONLY reference sports.

It has taken a meaning beyond its original one.

You’re like the guy arguing that drugstore brand cotton swabs shouldn’t be referred to as Q-tips. Or that tomatoes shouldn’t be referred to as a vegetable. Both technically true, but petulant, stupid and irrelevant.

My point is that you all think the Ivy League is some designation that indicates the schools are better than any other school in the country. You think it means something. It doesn’t.

The ties that bind those schools together have nothing to do with merit.

You just made a claim, bonded above, which is untrue. I am not the only poster arguing but I did not make that claim. Who did?

My argument is the dismissive “The Ivy League is just a sports league” canard is a tired, and false, old bit of ignorance. It means more than that to the schools themselves and to the world in general. Not to you — which is fine. But that doesn’t make it true overall.

Ok so what?

Stanford, MIT, CalTech ... these schools haven’t suffered one iota in terms of prestige because they’re not in the Ivy League.

Being in the Ivy League confers some prestige, but not being in the Ivy League doesn’t preclude a school from being prestigious. Why? Because it’s not a designation that is conferred on any school that attains a certain level of achievement. That’s why the athletic league definition matters. I understand it’s often considered a prestigious title, but the existence of other equally prestigious, non-Ivy League schools, is proof positive that the Ivy League is simply a group of excellent schools that *happen* to be in a group together.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, let me expand: Stanford is just as good as any Ivy League school.

Why is it not in the Ivy League? Because it’s stupid for a CA school to be in an athletic conference with East Coast schools. Plus, Stanford wants to play FBS football. Hence, they’re in the PAC-12.

You keep making the opposite point of the one you think you are.

Say “Ivy League college” to the next 10 people you meet and ask them what it means. Not one will reference sports primarily.

Then say “PAC 12” to the next 10. Majority won’t know, but those that do will ONLY reference sports.

It has taken a meaning beyond its original one.

You’re like the guy arguing that drugstore brand cotton swabs shouldn’t be referred to as Q-tips. Or that tomatoes shouldn’t be referred to as a vegetable. Both technically true, but petulant, stupid and irrelevant.

My point is that you all think the Ivy League is some designation that indicates the schools are better than any other school in the country. You think it means something. It doesn’t.

The ties that bind those schools together have nothing to do with merit.

You just made a claim, bonded above, which is untrue. I am not the only poster arguing but I did not make that claim. Who did?

My argument is the dismissive “The Ivy League is just a sports league” canard is a tired, and false, old bit of ignorance. It means more than that to the schools themselves and to the world in general. Not to you — which is fine. But that doesn’t make it true overall.

Ok so what?

Stanford, MIT, CalTech ... these schools haven’t suffered one iota in terms of prestige because they’re not in the Ivy League.

Being in the Ivy League confers some prestige, but not being in the Ivy League doesn’t preclude a school from being prestigious. Why? Because it’s not a designation that is conferred on any school that attains a certain level of achievement. That’s why the athletic league definition matters. I understand it’s often considered a prestigious title, but the existence of other equally prestigious, non-Ivy League schools, is proof positive that the Ivy League is simply a group of excellent schools that *happen* to be in a group together.

You keep typing irrelevant stuff, so I am gonna stop arguing with you as it is futile. You know that statement is dumb. You keep wielding it anyway. You be you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, let me expand: Stanford is just as good as any Ivy League school.

Why is it not in the Ivy League? Because it’s stupid for a CA school to be in an athletic conference with East Coast schools. Plus, Stanford wants to play FBS football. Hence, they’re in the PAC-12.

You keep making the opposite point of the one you think you are.

Say “Ivy League college” to the next 10 people you meet and ask them what it means. Not one will reference sports primarily.

Then say “PAC 12” to the next 10. Majority won’t know, but those that do will ONLY reference sports.

It has taken a meaning beyond its original one.

You’re like the guy arguing that drugstore brand cotton swabs shouldn’t be referred to as Q-tips. Or that tomatoes shouldn’t be referred to as a vegetable. Both technically true, but petulant, stupid and irrelevant.

My point is that you all think the Ivy League is some designation that indicates the schools are better than any other school in the country. You think it means something. It doesn’t.

The ties that bind those schools together have nothing to do with merit.

You just made a claim, bonded above, which is untrue. I am not the only poster arguing but I did not make that claim. Who did?

My argument is the dismissive “The Ivy League is just a sports league” canard is a tired, and false, old bit of ignorance. It means more than that to the schools themselves and to the world in general. Not to you — which is fine. But that doesn’t make it true overall.

Ok so what?

Stanford, MIT, CalTech ... these schools haven’t suffered one iota in terms of prestige because they’re not in the Ivy League.

Being in the Ivy League confers some prestige, but not being in the Ivy League doesn’t preclude a school from being prestigious. Why? Because it’s not a designation that is conferred on any school that attains a certain level of achievement. That’s why the athletic league definition matters. I understand it’s often considered a prestigious title, but the existence of other equally prestigious, non-Ivy League schools, is proof positive that the Ivy League is simply a group of excellent schools that *happen* to be in a group together.

You keep typing irrelevant stuff, so I am gonna stop arguing with you as it is futile. You know that statement is dumb. You keep wielding it anyway. You be you.

Lol ok. Keep on believing in the magic of the Ivy League.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, let me expand: Stanford is just as good as any Ivy League school.

Why is it not in the Ivy League? Because it’s stupid for a CA school to be in an athletic conference with East Coast schools. Plus, Stanford wants to play FBS football. Hence, they’re in the PAC-12.

You keep making the opposite point of the one you think you are.

Say “Ivy League college” to the next 10 people you meet and ask them what it means. Not one will reference sports primarily.

Then say “PAC 12” to the next 10. Majority won’t know, but those that do will ONLY reference sports.

It has taken a meaning beyond its original one.

You’re like the guy arguing that drugstore brand cotton swabs shouldn’t be referred to as Q-tips. Or that tomatoes shouldn’t be referred to as a vegetable. Both technically true, but petulant, stupid and irrelevant.

My point is that you all think the Ivy League is some designation that indicates the schools are better than any other school in the country. You think it means something. It doesn’t.

The ties that bind those schools together have nothing to do with merit.

You just made a claim, bonded above, which is untrue. I am not the only poster arguing but I did not make that claim. Who did?

My argument is the dismissive “The Ivy League is just a sports league” canard is a tired, and false, old bit of ignorance. It means more than that to the schools themselves and to the world in general. Not to you — which is fine. But that doesn’t make it true overall.

Ok so what?

Stanford, MIT, CalTech ... these schools haven’t suffered one iota in terms of prestige because they’re not in the Ivy League.

Being in the Ivy League confers some prestige, but not being in the Ivy League doesn’t preclude a school from being prestigious. Why? Because it’s not a designation that is conferred on any school that attains a certain level of achievement. That’s why the athletic league definition matters. I understand it’s often considered a prestigious title, but the existence of other equally prestigious, non-Ivy League schools, is proof positive that the Ivy League is simply a group of excellent schools that *happen* to be in a group together.

You keep typing irrelevant stuff, so I am gonna stop arguing with you as it is futile. You know that statement is dumb. You keep wielding it anyway. You be you.

Lol ok. Keep on believing in the magic of the Ivy League.

Again, I said no such thing. You lack basic comprehension abilities. Hence the futility.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, let me expand: Stanford is just as good as any Ivy League school.

Why is it not in the Ivy League? Because it’s stupid for a CA school to be in an athletic conference with East Coast schools. Plus, Stanford wants to play FBS football. Hence, they’re in the PAC-12.

You keep making the opposite point of the one you think you are.

Say “Ivy League college” to the next 10 people you meet and ask them what it means. Not one will reference sports primarily.

Then say “PAC 12” to the next 10. Majority won’t know, but those that do will ONLY reference sports.

It has taken a meaning beyond its original one.

You’re like the guy arguing that drugstore brand cotton swabs shouldn’t be referred to as Q-tips. Or that tomatoes shouldn’t be referred to as a vegetable. Both technically true, but petulant, stupid and irrelevant.

My point is that you all think the Ivy League is some designation that indicates the schools are better than any other school in the country. You think it means something. It doesn’t.

The ties that bind those schools together have nothing to do with merit.

You just made a claim, bonded above, which is untrue. I am not the only poster arguing but I did not make that claim. Who did?

My argument is the dismissive “The Ivy League is just a sports league” canard is a tired, and false, old bit of ignorance. It means more than that to the schools themselves and to the world in general. Not to you — which is fine. But that doesn’t make it true overall.

Ok so what?

Stanford, MIT, CalTech ... these schools haven’t suffered one iota in terms of prestige because they’re not in the Ivy League.

Being in the Ivy League confers some prestige, but not being in the Ivy League doesn’t preclude a school from being prestigious. Why? Because it’s not a designation that is conferred on any school that attains a certain level of achievement. That’s why the athletic league definition matters. I understand it’s often considered a prestigious title, but the existence of other equally prestigious, non-Ivy League schools, is proof positive that the Ivy League is simply a group of excellent schools that *happen* to be in a group together.

You keep typing irrelevant stuff, so I am gonna stop arguing with you as it is futile. You know that statement is dumb. You keep wielding it anyway. You be you.

Lol ok. Keep on believing in the magic of the Ivy League.

Again, I said no such thing. You lack basic comprehension abilities. Hence the futility.

And you lack the ability to perceive nuance. I never said the Ivy League confers zero perception of prestige. It’s pointless to talk to you too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:USNWR is trash. Go with the global rankings that aren't so US specific:

https://www.topuniversities.com/qs-world-university-rankings

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2020/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

Both have JHU > NW, Duke, Dartmouth, and Brown.

No one was even referencing rankings. So then by this measure you’d say Cornell and Michigan are better schools than JHU? Got it.

Except THE has JHU above Cornell, Michigan and Columbia.

Not that straight forward.

Got it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely no one thinks Hopkins is better than NWU, Dartmouth, Duke or Brown.

Try again. NWU, Dartmouth, and Brown have very weak research. JHU's research is better than Duke's. Not everything revolves around undergrad education.