Teacher playing a Taylor Swift video

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great point. How dare OP question how teachers are educating her children when obviously public education in the US is going so well? It’s not like “Regular teachers” have any role to play in the decline in American public education.

This what is truly nonsensical. Since waiting for Superman it just keeps getting worse, yet we keep voting for people who will stop school choice because the unions benefit from status quo and they hide behind a broken system saying it will just get worse. Well it isn’t working now.

Great job, Ostriches.

It’s PUBLIC school. You want a school to cater to your individual values, go to one.

It’s also PUBLIC school in many countries that don’t have failing schools.

It’s true. The US keeps dropping lower and lower in rankings. Even lower than some countries with similar child poverty rates.

“It’s PUBLIC school. You want a school to actually educate your child? Go to one.” <- There. Fixed it for you, silly teacher.

[Anonymous]

It drops lower because we defund schools and there’s no societal safety net to help kids and families be successful. Not because some teachers use Taylor Swift to teach literary devices.

[Anonymous]

My kid's teacher played Taylor Swift for a zoom dance party moment on Friday (3rd grade). It left my kid in a good mood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It drops lower because we defund schools and there’s no societal safety net to help kids and families be successful. Not because some teachers use Taylor Swift to teach literary devices.

The US is near the top of the list when it comes to spending per student. So, no. The Gates Foundation and other philanthropies have spent billions of dollars on US education. That’s not why the US is failing. Stop looking outward, and maybe do some self-reflection.

Not that I think T Swift is bad. Whatever - I don’t care. I do think that it’s an example of education in a non-rigorous setting. But, if our teachers didn’t have to go through a rigorous program, we can’t expect much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great point. How dare OP question how teachers are educating her children when obviously public education in the US is going so well? It’s not like “Regular teachers” have any role to play in the decline in American public education.

This what is truly nonsensical. Since waiting for Superman it just keeps getting worse, yet we keep voting for people who will stop school choice because the unions benefit from status quo and they hide behind a broken system saying it will just get worse. Well it isn’t working now.

Great job, Ostriches.

It’s PUBLIC school. You want a school to cater to your individual values, go to one.

It’s also PUBLIC school in many countries that don’t have failing schools.

It’s true. The US keeps dropping lower and lower in rankings. Even lower than some countries with similar child poverty rates.

“It’s PUBLIC school. You want a school to actually educate your child? Go to one.” <- There. Fixed it for you, silly teacher.

Go to a public school if you want a school to actually educate your child?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It drops lower because we defund schools and there’s no societal safety net to help kids and families be successful. Not because some teachers use Taylor Swift to teach literary devices.

The US is near the top of the list when it comes to spending per student. So, no. The Gates Foundation and other philanthropies have spent billions of dollars on US education. That’s not why the US is failing. Stop looking outward, and maybe do some self-reflection.

Not that I think T Swift is bad. Whatever - I don’t care. I do think that it’s an example of education in a non-rigorous setting. But, if our teachers didn’t have to go through a rigorous program, we can’t expect much.

Okay, so how do we realistically fix the issue?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great point. How dare OP question how teachers are educating her children when obviously public education in the US is going so well? It’s not like “Regular teachers” have any role to play in the decline in American public education.

This what is truly nonsensical. Since waiting for Superman it just keeps getting worse, yet we keep voting for people who will stop school choice because the unions benefit from status quo and they hide behind a broken system saying it will just get worse. Well it isn’t working now.

Great job, Ostriches.

It’s PUBLIC school. You want a school to cater to your individual values, go to one.

My values of wanting a quality education for children that is competitive in the world? FFS, teachers are against now? WTF are we even doing?

But go on defending playing MTV in the classroom as a tool to educate. Is this real life?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It drops lower because we defund schools and there’s no societal safety net to help kids and families be successful. Not because some teachers use Taylor Swift to teach literary devices.

The US is near the top of the list when it comes to spending per student. So, no. The Gates Foundation and other philanthropies have spent billions of dollars on US education. That’s not why the US is failing. Stop looking outward, and maybe do some self-reflection.

Not that I think T Swift is bad. Whatever - I don’t care. I do think that it’s an example of education in a non-rigorous setting. But, if our teachers didn’t have to go through a rigorous program, we can’t expect much.

I’m not understanding your argument. You do not know anything about this teacher or her student outcomes. You don’t even know what the actual assignment was, unless you are the OP. Education must be relevant to be effective. For many 5th graders, modern pop music is relevant. It makes learning more exciting and more likely to be absorbed.

Your idea is that education should be more rigorous? What does that look like to you? Are you an actual teacher?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great point. How dare OP question how teachers are educating her children when obviously public education in the US is going so well? It’s not like “Regular teachers” have any role to play in the decline in American public education.

This what is truly nonsensical. Since waiting for Superman it just keeps getting worse, yet we keep voting for people who will stop school choice because the unions benefit from status quo and they hide behind a broken system saying it will just get worse. Well it isn’t working now.

Great job, Ostriches.

It’s PUBLIC school. You want a school to cater to your individual values, go to one.

My values of wanting a quality education for children that is competitive in the world? FFS, teachers are against now? WTF are we even doing?

But go on defending playing MTV in the classroom as a tool to educate. Is this real life?

Why do you assume everyone who disagrees with you is a teacher. My kid has to analyze lyrics in English class. It teaches him to apply skills outside of traditional “reading.” They looked at Pixar clips yesterday and discussed theme and motif and how music, color choice, etc. work with language to create these things. He was learning and engaged. If you don’t like that teachers are just sticking to books, which not all kids find engaging, especially now, then go to a school that meets your particular idea of what education should be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great point. How dare OP question how teachers are educating her children when obviously public education in the US is going so well? It’s not like “Regular teachers” have any role to play in the decline in American public education.

This what is truly nonsensical. Since waiting for Superman it just keeps getting worse, yet we keep voting for people who will stop school choice because the unions benefit from status quo and they hide behind a broken system saying it will just get worse. Well it isn’t working now.

Great job, Ostriches.

It’s PUBLIC school. You want a school to cater to your individual values, go to one.

My values of wanting a quality education for children that is competitive in the world? FFS, teachers are against now? WTF are we even doing?

But go on defending playing MTV in the classroom as a tool to educate. Is this real life?

Why do you assume everyone who disagrees with you is a teacher. My kid has to analyze lyrics in English class. It teaches him to apply skills outside of traditional “reading.” They looked at Pixar clips yesterday and discussed theme and motif and how music, color choice, etc. work with language to create these things. He was learning and engaged. If you don’t like that teachers are just sticking to books, which not all kids find engaging, especially now, then go to a school that meets your particular idea of what education should be.

My kid did a similar lesson. It was phenomenal! This weekend he watched a movie and told us all about how theme unfolded through the story. His teacher made the skills relevant to him.

[Anonymous]

As an SLP, I’ve used popular music videos to identify and explain figurative language - We go through a lot for practice - then they do it in their own / I also encourage parents to do this on road trips etc - that videos hold their attention and it’s less tedious

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It drops lower because we defund schools and there’s no societal safety net to help kids and families be successful. Not because some teachers use Taylor Swift to teach literary devices.

The US is near the top of the list when it comes to spending per student. So, no. The Gates Foundation and other philanthropies have spent billions of dollars on US education. That’s not why the US is failing. Stop looking outward, and maybe do some self-reflection.

Not that I think T Swift is bad. Whatever - I don’t care. I do think that it’s an example of education in a non-rigorous setting. But, if our teachers didn’t have to go through a rigorous program, we can’t expect much.

Okay, so how do we realistically fix the issue?

Schools are given plenty of money, but is isn’t used wisely. They don’t need more funding. They need an overhaul of their budgets.

Stop spending so much money on trying to get an equal percentage of FRL kids in each school. When poverty is spread evenly among schools, overall test scores may be higher for the formerly high-poverty schools, but if you break down test scores by race and income level, the low SES kids are still performing badly (doesn’t matter which school they’re in). INSTEAD, get rid of crappy curricula (I’m looking at you, expensive Lucy Calkins) and use content-rich curricula instead. Choose one that follows a logical sequence, instead of having teachers operate independently - no one wants their kid to study the solar system in third AND fifth grades. Both Louisiana and NY have chosen to do so, and their test scores are improving - especially in the high-poverty groups!

If you don’t want segregated schools, talk to the county about HOUSING POLICY instead. I’m not saying it is good to have all FRL kids in a single school. To fix this, we need to stop building ALL LOW INCOME HOUSING in a single part of the county! Spread it out.

Shift funding around to pay teachers more. We don’t need a ton of overpaid administrators. We need teaching to become a desirable field. BUT to justify this, we NEED IT TO BECOME DIFFICULT TO GET A TEACHING DEGREE. Currently, it is one of the majors that is frequently chosen because is is EASY. We cannot have college students major in COLORING and then expect them to do a job deserving of being paid well. It’s time to guard the profession and make sure that those who graduate from schools of education are good, QUALITY teachers.

This surely wouldn’t fix everything, but it would be a start.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great point. How dare OP question how teachers are educating her children when obviously public education in the US is going so well? It’s not like “Regular teachers” have any role to play in the decline in American public education.

This what is truly nonsensical. Since waiting for Superman it just keeps getting worse, yet we keep voting for people who will stop school choice because the unions benefit from status quo and they hide behind a broken system saying it will just get worse. Well it isn’t working now.

Great job, Ostriches.

It’s PUBLIC school. You want a school to cater to your individual values, go to one.

My values of wanting a quality education for children that is competitive in the world? FFS, teachers are against now? WTF are we even doing?

But go on defending playing MTV in the classroom as a tool to educate. Is this real life?

Why do you assume everyone who disagrees with you is a teacher. My kid has to analyze lyrics in English class. It teaches him to apply skills outside of traditional “reading.” They looked at Pixar clips yesterday and discussed theme and motif and how music, color choice, etc. work with language to create these things. He was learning and engaged. If you don’t like that teachers are just sticking to books, which not all kids find engaging, especially now, then go to a school that meets your particular idea of what education should be.

My kid did a similar lesson. It was phenomenal! This weekend he watched a movie and told us all about how theme unfolded through the story. His teacher made the skills relevant to him.

Guys, we tried. The OP does not want to hear about how this is an effective learning tool. They are looking for a school that only rigorously studies literature.

We all know this type of parent. Emails schools, requests classroom transfer.. same parent who takes a child off the sports team because their child received two minutes less of playing time than everyone else. The parent who thinks they know better than everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It drops lower because we defund schools and there’s no societal safety net to help kids and families be successful. Not because some teachers use Taylor Swift to teach literary devices.

The US is near the top of the list when it comes to spending per student. So, no. The Gates Foundation and other philanthropies have spent billions of dollars on US education. That’s not why the US is failing. Stop looking outward, and maybe do some self-reflection.

Not that I think T Swift is bad. Whatever - I don’t care. I do think that it’s an example of education in a non-rigorous setting. But, if our teachers didn’t have to go through a rigorous program, we can’t expect much.

I’m not understanding your argument. You do not know anything about this teacher or her student outcomes. You don’t even know what the actual assignment was, unless you are the OP. Education must be relevant to be effective. For many 5th graders, modern pop music is relevant. It makes learning more exciting and more likely to be absorbed.

Your idea is that education should be more rigorous? What does that look like to you? Are you an actual teacher?

I don’t know about her specific classroom outcomes, nor do I care about any single class. I actually love Taylor Swift FWIW (1989 was almost PERFECT!). I’m an educated person and can look at education outcomes by country. The US is a disaster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It drops lower because we defund schools and there’s no societal safety net to help kids and families be successful. Not because some teachers use Taylor Swift to teach literary devices.

The US is near the top of the list when it comes to spending per student. So, no. The Gates Foundation and other philanthropies have spent billions of dollars on US education. That’s not why the US is failing. Stop looking outward, and maybe do some self-reflection.

Not that I think T Swift is bad. Whatever - I don’t care. I do think that it’s an example of education in a non-rigorous setting. But, if our teachers didn’t have to go through a rigorous program, we can’t expect much.

Okay, so how do we realistically fix the issue?

Schools are given plenty of money, but is isn’t used wisely. They don’t need more funding. They need an overhaul of their budgets.

Stop spending so much money on trying to get an equal percentage of FRL kids in each school. When poverty is spread evenly among schools, overall test scores may be higher for the formerly high-poverty schools, but if you break down test scores by race and income level, the low SES kids are still performing badly (doesn’t matter which school they’re in). INSTEAD, get rid of crappy curricula (I’m looking at you, expensive Lucy Calkins) and use content-rich curricula instead. Choose one that follows a logical sequence, instead of having teachers operate independently - no one wants their kid to study the solar system in third AND fifth grades. Both Louisiana and NY have chosen to do so, and their test scores are improving - especially in the high-poverty groups!

If you don’t want segregated schools, talk to the county about HOUSING POLICY instead. I’m not saying it is good to have all FRL kids in a single school. To fix this, we need to stop building ALL LOW INCOME HOUSING in a single part of the county! Spread it out.

Shift funding around to pay teachers more. We don’t need a ton of overpaid administrators. We need teaching to become a desirable field. BUT to justify this, we NEED IT TO BECOME DIFFICULT TO GET A TEACHING DEGREE. Currently, it is one of the majors that is frequently chosen because is is EASY. We cannot have college students major in COLORING and then expect them to do a job deserving of being paid well. It’s time to guard the profession and make sure that those who graduate from schools of education are good, QUALITY teachers.

This surely wouldn’t fix everything, but it would be a start.

Okay, you bring up interesting points, but I still don’t believe that we can assume a teacher is unfit because they are using relevant musical references in the form of music videos? Surely you realize that this is a teaching technique used all over?