PSA - your kid isn’t going back to school anytime soon

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Anonymous wrote:We live in Orange County, California. Our private school opened on time and the public schools opened last week. DS’s school has mask and distancing requirements but goes full time as the classes were already small.

But here’s what I think seems to be different in thinking from what I read here: the only thing the kids here do is school. Other than that we are still all very much in shutdown mode. No play dates, no bike riding with friends, no restaurants, no parties, no pods - nothing but school. Reopening was contingent on low numbers in the community only. And they will shutdown again if the numbers go up.

I think this is the only way to go. We have to prioritize school and let go of everything else for awhile.

I really wish we could do that. We can go to the movies, casino, and bars but my K kid can’t learn to read. It’s shameful.

I also agree with this. People are allowing their kids to engage in higher risk behavior to make up for the lack of in person school. Riskier behavior leads to more cases which, in turn, makes it more likely that schools will not reopen in person.

If we could flip that, and prioritize in person school over other higher risk behaviors, we might get kids in school and see lower case numbers. However, I don't see that happening.

Another in full agreement. This is where our government should have set out a PLAN to place education first.

And yet it's still up to the states and the individual counties because that's how our government is set up.

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Anonymous wrote:Schools should have been the first to reopen and not the last. We never had leadership in this and definitely need a change in government. Just forcing schools to open now is wrong.

I’m all for the do-over concept! Complete shutdown, testing and then reopen the schools first. Mandatory masks and social distancing nationwide.

This reopened in late May/early June...did you want schools to reopen first at the end of the school year? That makes no sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Well we can see other areas of the country with schools open so it’s not all about the federal government.

And now back to the war on science in the US. The spread of the virus is not uniform over the US. It wasn't uniform in China or other countries either. That isn't how viruses work.

Which again is why it was left up to the states and individual counties.

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Anonymous wrote:The point you guys are missing is that you can't force teachers to go back. You can't force them to put their lives on the line for you or your kids. What's your plan? Fire all the teachers that won't go back? Are you going to go in and be a long-term sub?

Everyone saying that schools should be prioritized ahead restaurants, movies, etc., clearly don't need those fields to make money. Open restaurants impacts the restaurant, suppliers, shipping, and employees.

DL is tough! I WFH full-time and have two kids learning via DL. I would love for my kids to go in-person, but not if they are going to be crowded in a classroom because teachers aren't showing up or parents send their kids in who have/had a fever and/or cough.

I think you missed the evolution this thread. The hypothesis put forth now is if they opened the schools first - before restaurants, bars, salons, etc - we wouldn’t be in this mess. After essential services should have come education/schools.

That was never an option because of the anti maskers and covid deniers who had fits about bars and hair salons being closed. And they got their cues from the white house.

You mean those parents who were trying to put food on the table by working? Come on - the uproar wasn't about getting beer and a haircut. People are trying to earn a living to pay the rent and for groceries. These are their livelihoods. The lack of sympathy for what family breadwinners were going through during the height of lockdowns is really elitist.

Regardless, those calls about what to open what and when and under what regulations, were made by local elected officials like governors, not "covid deniers".

Yeah. It's pretty rich to see the endless shouting and hand wringing about bars / gyms etc opening before little Larla went back to kindy from people who are able to work remotely. Try really hard to think past the initial fixation on people getting their nails done/going out for a drink.

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Anonymous wrote:The point you guys are missing is that you can't force teachers to go back. You can't force them to put their lives on the line for you or your kids. What's your plan? Fire all the teachers that won't go back? Are you going to go in and be a long-term sub?

Everyone saying that schools should be prioritized ahead restaurants, movies, etc., clearly don't need those fields to make money. Open restaurants impacts the restaurant, suppliers, shipping, and employees.

DL is tough! I WFH full-time and have two kids learning via DL. I would love for my kids to go in-person, but not if they are going to be crowded in a classroom because teachers aren't showing up or parents send their kids in who have/had a fever and/or cough.

I think you missed the evolution this thread. The hypothesis put forth now is if they opened the schools first - before restaurants, bars, salons, etc - we wouldn’t be in this mess. After essential services should have come education/schools.

That was never an option because of the anti maskers and covid deniers who had fits about bars and hair salons being closed. And they got their cues from the white house.

You mean those parents who were trying to put food on the table by working? Come on - the uproar wasn't about getting beer and a haircut. People are trying to earn a living to pay the rent and for groceries. These are their livelihoods. The lack of sympathy for what family breadwinners were going through during the height of lockdowns is really elitist.

Regardless, those calls about what to open what and when and under what regulations, were made by local elected officials like governors, not "covid deniers".

Yeah. It's pretty rich to see the endless shouting and hand wringing about bars / gyms etc opening before little Larla went back to kindy from people who are able to work remotely. Try really hard to think past the initial fixation on people getting their nails done/going out for a drink.

We should have subsidized individuals instead of big companies (like cruise lines not even registered in the US) when they had jobs that could not be done remotely and were not necessary. But no, we gave a ton of money to big companies and let people suffer.

Other countries sent their citizens money to get through the hard time and they are doing fine and have school now.

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Anonymous wrote:Y’all this is super depressing as a parent of two SN kiddos who need more than an average child for support but are not severely disabled....

but the ACIP or whatever the acronym is came out with a framework for the vaccine phases. Meaning who gets the first, second, etc.

Kids and teachers are in phase 3. AND important to note, kids will only get the vaccine after a clinical trial deems it safe and effective for children. I don’t think there are any clinical trials on children going right now.

https://www.nationalacademies.org/news/2020/10/national-academies-release-framework-for-equitable-allocation-of-a-covid-19-vaccine-for-adoption-by-hhs-state-tribal-local-and-territorial-authorities

I clicked on your Link now it's saying that educators would be getting it in phase two.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s completely insane to me that public school parents are still tolerating this. It’s like that old saying: when people tell you who you are, believe them. The failure of leadership told you everything you needed to know.

+1000.

Your kids will pay the price for this for years to come.

Yup. How will your kids compare to the states that are open, or the private school kids?

I’m shocked you’re all taking this.

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Anonymous wrote:The point you guys are missing is that you can't force teachers to go back. You can't force them to put their lives on the line for you or your kids. What's your plan? Fire all the teachers that won't go back? Are you going to go in and be a long-term sub?

Everyone saying that schools should be prioritized ahead restaurants, movies, etc., clearly don't need those fields to make money. Open restaurants impacts the restaurant, suppliers, shipping, and employees.

DL is tough! I WFH full-time and have two kids learning via DL. I would love for my kids to go in-person, but not if they are going to be crowded in a classroom because teachers aren't showing up or parents send their kids in who have/had a fever and/or cough.

I think you missed the evolution this thread. The hypothesis put forth now is if they opened the schools first - before restaurants, bars, salons, etc - we wouldn’t be in this mess. After essential services should have come education/schools.

That was never an option because of the anti maskers and covid deniers who had fits about bars and hair salons being closed. And they got their cues from the white house.

You mean those parents who were trying to put food on the table by working? Come on - the uproar wasn't about getting beer and a haircut. People are trying to earn a living to pay the rent and for groceries. These are their livelihoods. The lack of sympathy for what family breadwinners were going through during the height of lockdowns is really elitist.

Regardless, those calls about what to open what and when and under what regulations, were made by local elected officials like governors, not "covid deniers".

Most lower income families are making it work. Those that are generally complaining are living in $800K plus houses, nicer cars, travel and didn't plan child care into their budget. Those struggling are able to get child care vouchers. Its the over spenders that have the issue. We are fine with it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The point you guys are missing is that you can't force teachers to go back. You can't force them to put their lives on the line for you or your kids. What's your plan? Fire all the teachers that won't go back? Are you going to go in and be a long-term sub?

Everyone saying that schools should be prioritized ahead restaurants, movies, etc., clearly don't need those fields to make money. Open restaurants impacts the restaurant, suppliers, shipping, and employees.

DL is tough! I WFH full-time and have two kids learning via DL. I would love for my kids to go in-person, but not if they are going to be crowded in a classroom because teachers aren't showing up or parents send their kids in who have/had a fever and/or cough.

I think you missed the evolution this thread. The hypothesis put forth now is if they opened the schools first - before restaurants, bars, salons, etc - we wouldn’t be in this mess. After essential services should have come education/schools.

That was never an option because of the anti maskers and covid deniers who had fits about bars and hair salons being closed. And they got their cues from the white house.

You mean those parents who were trying to put food on the table by working? Come on - the uproar wasn't about getting beer and a haircut. People are trying to earn a living to pay the rent and for groceries. These are their livelihoods. The lack of sympathy for what family breadwinners were going through during the height of lockdowns is really elitist.

Regardless, those calls about what to open what and when and under what regulations, were made by local elected officials like governors, not "covid deniers".

Most lower income families are making it work. Those that are generally complaining are living in $800K plus houses, nicer cars, travel and didn't plan child care into their budget. Those struggling are able to get child care vouchers. Its the over spenders that have the issue. We are fine with it.

Wait, what? Where exactly are there child care vouchers being handed out??? Do you actually KNOW any lower income families?

Not everyone can work remotely! I cannot, nor can my dh (someone delivers your mail daily, right? there ya go). I'm not lower income, but if my mom didn't live near us-I literally have no idea what we would have done, although it was a risk to my mom too (over 70). Thankfully my dcs are back in person school, but I know many lower income families that are in a world of trouble. Usually, the mom has quit work and they are sliding into financial ruin.

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Follow the money. When the CARES act stops handing out money, in this case to public schools, then action will be taken.