BLM nuclear family goal

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
To insist that we respect and admire a failing system is insanity.

NP +1

I'm half expecting to see some sort of announcement about how having your father in prison is a good thing for the kids because it teaches them not to expect anything from anyone.

There are plenty of successful black communities to emulate, and lots of other non-traditional communities to emulate, but to insist that we look at the current state of chaos that is the lower-class black family structure - is beyond dumb. It is a trainwreck of teen moms, underemployment, neglect, abuse, drug addiction, absentee fathers, and suffering children. I live in Baltimore and it is a complete and utter failure - all around.
I am not saying the nuclear model is best, there are lots of matriarchial societies and extended family models to emulate from other countries and cultures, but lets not imply that the current system is functional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does this mean? Why does the nuclear family need to be disrupted?

“We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.”

https://tennesseestar.com/2020/06/29/black-lives-matter-plan-to-disrupt-the-nuclear-family-and-dismantle-cisgender-privilege-gains-support-in-corporate-america/

An excuse for the lack of responsibility.

This: it is a push back against the observation that 70-some-odd percent of black kids are born out of wedlock.

These last two statements are inextricably embedded in the American psyche and are one of the pillars that support the nation's systemic racism.

Specifically, the statements refuse to acknowledge (or are purposely ignorant about) the legacy of this problem - slavery. That is from August 1619 (a year before Plymouth Rock) to December 6, 1865 black women, men, and children were forced and sold away from their families, at will. Interesting that today we are expressing so much concern about black babies being born out of wedlock when marriage among slaves was not officially recognized. Honestly, ask yourself what would be the out of wedlock percentages of any race of people who had to endure such cruelty?

To enslave a people for 246 years and then mistreat them afterwards is ruthless. But to also beat them up later for not carrying on in life the way you would expect is diabolical.

1865 was a long time ago.

The percentage of black children born to unwed mothers went from 63% to 69% between 1990 and 2016.

https://www.childtrends.org/publications/dramatic-increase-in-percentage-of-births-outside-marriage-among-whites-hispanics-and-women-with-higher-education-levels

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does this mean? Why does the nuclear family need to be disrupted?

“We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.”

https://tennesseestar.com/2020/06/29/black-lives-matter-plan-to-disrupt-the-nuclear-family-and-dismantle-cisgender-privilege-gains-support-in-corporate-america/

An excuse for the lack of responsibility.

This: it is a push back against the observation that 70-some-odd percent of black kids are born out of wedlock.

These last two statements are inextricably embedded in the American psyche and are one of the pillars that support the nation's systemic racism.

Specifically, the statements refuse to acknowledge (or are purposely ignorant about) the legacy of this problem - slavery. That is from August 1619 (a year before Plymouth Rock) to December 6, 1865 black women, men, and children were forced and sold away from their families, at will. Interesting that today we are expressing so much concern about black babies being born out of wedlock when marriage among slaves was not officially recognized. Honestly, ask yourself what would be the out of wedlock percentages of any race of people who had to endure such cruelty?

To enslave a people for 246 years and then mistreat them afterwards is ruthless. But to also beat them up later for not carrying on in life the way you would expect is diabolical.

1865 was a long time ago.

The percentage of black children born to unwed mothers went from 63% to 69% between 1990 and 2016.

https://www.childtrends.org/publications/dramatic-increase-in-percentage-of-births-outside-marriage-among-whites-hispanics-and-women-with-higher-education-levels

And based on that you deem that two gay Black women are unfit to sustain and raise a family?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does this mean? Why does the nuclear family need to be disrupted?

“We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.”

https://tennesseestar.com/2020/06/29/black-lives-matter-plan-to-disrupt-the-nuclear-family-and-dismantle-cisgender-privilege-gains-support-in-corporate-america/

An excuse for the lack of responsibility.

This: it is a push back against the observation that 70-some-odd percent of black kids are born out of wedlock.

These last two statements are inextricably embedded in the American psyche and are one of the pillars that support the nation's systemic racism.

Specifically, the statements refuse to acknowledge (or are purposely ignorant about) the legacy of this problem - slavery. That is from August 1619 (a year before Plymouth Rock) to December 6, 1865 black women, men, and children were forced and sold away from their families, at will. Interesting that today we are expressing so much concern about black babies being born out of wedlock when marriage among slaves was not officially recognized. Honestly, ask yourself what would be the out of wedlock percentages of any race of people who had to endure such cruelty?

To enslave a people for 246 years and then mistreat them afterwards is ruthless. But to also beat them up later for not carrying on in life the way you would expect is diabolical.

1865 was a long time ago.

The percentage of black children born to unwed mothers went from 63% to 69% between 1990 and 2016.

https://www.childtrends.org/publications/dramatic-increase-in-percentage-of-births-outside-marriage-among-whites-hispanics-and-women-with-higher-education-levels

It's 33% for those with a Bachelors degree.... great... so you support better education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can’t criticize African-American families for not having “traditional” nuclear families when we disproportionately sent black men to prison for the flimsiest of crimes and outright lies by law enforcement.

Unequal justice system and racist enforcement of laws destroyed black families. That’s not their fault. That’s “our” fault - that is, this is a problem created and sustained by white people.

I don't doubt some cops are racist, but to be convicted of a felony you need to go through a trial and be convicted by a jury of your peers, while being represented by a defense lawyer.

One third of all adult black males have a felony conviction:
https://www.sentencingproject.org/news/5593/

So are all those juries racist, and all those defense lawyers incompetent...?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does this mean? Why does the nuclear family need to be disrupted?

“We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.”

https://tennesseestar.com/2020/06/29/black-lives-matter-plan-to-disrupt-the-nuclear-family-and-dismantle-cisgender-privilege-gains-support-in-corporate-america/

An excuse for the lack of responsibility.

This: it is a push back against the observation that 70-some-odd percent of black kids are born out of wedlock.

These last two statements are inextricably embedded in the American psyche and are one of the pillars that support the nation's systemic racism.

Specifically, the statements refuse to acknowledge (or are purposely ignorant about) the legacy of this problem - slavery. That is from August 1619 (a year before Plymouth Rock) to December 6, 1865 black women, men, and children were forced and sold away from their families, at will. Interesting that today we are expressing so much concern about black babies being born out of wedlock when marriage among slaves was not officially recognized. Honestly, ask yourself what would be the out of wedlock percentages of any race of people who had to endure such cruelty?

To enslave a people for 246 years and then mistreat them afterwards is ruthless. But to also beat them up later for not carrying on in life the way you would expect is diabolical.

1865 was a long time ago.

The percentage of black children born to unwed mothers went from 63% to 69% between 1990 and 2016.

https://www.childtrends.org/publications/dramatic-increase-in-percentage-of-births-outside-marriage-among-whites-hispanics-and-women-with-higher-education-levels

And based on that you deem that two gay Black women are unfit to sustain and raise a family?

I said nothing about gay Black women, and there's nothing to prevent them from getting married either.

The births to unwed mothers is 69% for black women, and 28% for white women. Is all that difference explained by gay Black women who decide not to get married?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does this mean? Why does the nuclear family need to be disrupted?

“We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.”

https://tennesseestar.com/2020/06/29/black-lives-matter-plan-to-disrupt-the-nuclear-family-and-dismantle-cisgender-privilege-gains-support-in-corporate-america/

An excuse for the lack of responsibility.

This: it is a push back against the observation that 70-some-odd percent of black kids are born out of wedlock.

These last two statements are inextricably embedded in the American psyche and are one of the pillars that support the nation's systemic racism.

Specifically, the statements refuse to acknowledge (or are purposely ignorant about) the legacy of this problem - slavery. That is from August 1619 (a year before Plymouth Rock) to December 6, 1865 black women, men, and children were forced and sold away from their families, at will. Interesting that today we are expressing so much concern about black babies being born out of wedlock when marriage among slaves was not officially recognized. Honestly, ask yourself what would be the out of wedlock percentages of any race of people who had to endure such cruelty?

To enslave a people for 246 years and then mistreat them afterwards is ruthless. But to also beat them up later for not carrying on in life the way you would expect is diabolical.

1865 was a long time ago.

The percentage of black children born to unwed mothers went from 63% to 69% between 1990 and 2016.

https://www.childtrends.org/publications/dramatic-increase-in-percentage-of-births-outside-marriage-among-whites-hispanics-and-women-with-higher-education-levels

It's 33% for those with a Bachelors degree.... great... so you support better education.

Yes, I absolutely support more education. That's the biggest determinant of one's success in life.

The unwed birth rate is only 7% for white women with a bachelor's degree. So still 1/3 of black children born to mother's with an education are born with a potential disadvantage -- the lack of being raised in a two-income family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can’t criticize African-American families for not having “traditional” nuclear families when we disproportionately sent black men to prison for the flimsiest of crimes and outright lies by law enforcement.

Unequal justice system and racist enforcement of laws destroyed black families. That’s not their fault. That’s “our” fault - that is, this is a problem created and sustained by white people.

I don't doubt some cops are racist, but to be convicted of a felony you need to go through a trial and be convicted by a jury of your peers, while being represented by a defense lawyer.

One third of all adult black males have a felony conviction:
https://www.sentencingproject.org/news/5593/

So are all those juries racist, and all those defense lawyers incompetent...?

Plantation goes by a different name these days but ain’t shit changed.
Nowadays it’s called the prison industrial complex and it relies on Black men.
Thirty-seven states allow the contracting of prison labor by private corporations. Companies like IBM, Boeing, Microsoft, AT&T, and Target all use prison labor to pad their bottom lines.
Ain’t shit changed these money-makers need slaves and Black men got the experience for the job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can’t criticize African-American families for not having “traditional” nuclear families when we disproportionately sent black men to prison for the flimsiest of crimes and outright lies by law enforcement.

Unequal justice system and racist enforcement of laws destroyed black families. That’s not their fault. That’s “our” fault - that is, this is a problem created and sustained by white people.

I don't doubt some cops are racist, but to be convicted of a felony you need to go through a trial and be convicted by a jury of your peers, while being represented by a defense lawyer.

One third of all adult black males have a felony conviction:
https://www.sentencingproject.org/news/5593/

So are all those juries racist, and all those defense lawyers incompetent...?

Plantation goes by a different name these days but ain’t shit changed.
Nowadays it’s called the prison industrial complex and it relies on Black men.
Thirty-seven states allow the contracting of prison labor by private corporations. Companies like IBM, Boeing, Microsoft, AT&T, and Target all use prison labor to pad their bottom lines.
Ain’t shit changed these money-makers need slaves and Black men got the experience for the job.

No one ends up there unless convicted by a judge/jury. Are all these people innocent and the juries are out to get them? Or perhaps they actually committed the crimes they are charged with?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting.

It’s wise that they are squarely addressing one of the issues that has hampered their success in myriad ways. Data indicates single parent households tend to languish in poverty. Data correlates poverty with crime rates, poor health, subpar education, limited employment and housing opportunities, etc.

But the reality is that much of the stress and negative outcomes flow from single parenting in the black community. I don’t think these relationships and supports they promote will help unless people are living together and sharing bills and child rearing.

This. It's hard to argue with reality.

But something else to consider - if many of these women had only one child, there is a good chance that at some point in that child's life if the parent isn't a substance abuser, that she would reach a point above struggling in abject poverty and for that one child, he would reach the middle class changing his and his children's life long trajectory.

It's not the first child that plunges them into poverty it's having 2, 3 or 4+

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can’t criticize African-American families for not having “traditional” nuclear families when we disproportionately sent black men to prison for the flimsiest of crimes and outright lies by law enforcement.

Unequal justice system and racist enforcement of laws destroyed black families. That’s not their fault. That’s “our” fault - that is, this is a problem created and sustained by white people.

I don't doubt some cops are racist, but to be convicted of a felony you need to go through a trial and be convicted by a jury of your peers, while being represented by a defense lawyer.

One third of all adult black males have a felony conviction:
https://www.sentencingproject.org/news/5593/

So are all those juries racist, and all those defense lawyers incompetent...?

Plantation goes by a different name these days but ain’t shit changed.
Nowadays it’s called the prison industrial complex and it relies on Black men.
Thirty-seven states allow the contracting of prison labor by private corporations. Companies like IBM, Boeing, Microsoft, AT&T, and Target all use prison labor to pad their bottom lines.
Ain’t shit changed these money-makers need slaves and Black men got the experience for the job.

No one ends up there unless convicted by a judge/jury. Are all these people innocent and the juries are out to get them? Or perhaps they actually committed the crimes they are charged with?

What-the-fcuk-ever
If you think the criminal justice system is unbiased and impartial you must be smoking crack and if you’re white you’ll no doubt get “rehabilitation” as opposed to incarceration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can’t criticize African-American families for not having “traditional” nuclear families when we disproportionately sent black men to prison for the flimsiest of crimes and outright lies by law enforcement.

Unequal justice system and racist enforcement of laws destroyed black families. That’s not their fault. That’s “our” fault - that is, this is a problem created and sustained by white people.

I don't doubt some cops are racist, but to be convicted of a felony you need to go through a trial and be convicted by a jury of your peers, while being represented by a defense lawyer.

One third of all adult black males have a felony conviction:
https://www.sentencingproject.org/news/5593/

So are all those juries racist, and all those defense lawyers incompetent...?

Plantation goes by a different name these days but ain’t shit changed.
Nowadays it’s called the prison industrial complex and it relies on Black men.
Thirty-seven states allow the contracting of prison labor by private corporations. Companies like IBM, Boeing, Microsoft, AT&T, and Target all use prison labor to pad their bottom lines.
Ain’t shit changed these money-makers need slaves and Black men got the experience for the job.

No one ends up there unless convicted by a judge/jury. Are all these people innocent and the juries are out to get them? Or perhaps they actually committed the crimes they are charged with?

What-the-fcuk-ever
If you think the criminal justice system is unbiased and impartial you must be smoking crack and if you’re white you’ll no doubt get “rehabilitation” as opposed to incarceration.

Don’t bother, PPP. According to PP and many like him/her, institution racism is the only answer, and personal responsibility means nothing.

[Anonymous]

Something tells me that there are very few people actually arguing with each other on this thread. They are both on opposites sides and I don't totally agree with either one of them.

I wish there was a way to take the argument offline. Maybe you guys can exchange emails.

[Anonymous]

You guys are wasting your time arguing with each other. It's rare that somebody will change their mind about race based on an anonymous online discussion. Everyone just reads what they want to read and replies with their own argument.

If you think the other side is actually reading your entire post, then you're kidding yourself and wasting your time.

This is 9 pages of bullsh*t

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Something tells me that there are very few people actually arguing with each other on this thread. They are both on opposites sides and I don't totally agree with either one of them.

I wish there was a way to take the argument offline. Maybe you guys can exchange emails.

There definitely isn’t just 2 people.