I keep reading the rioting and looting is actually being done by white supremacists. Is this true?

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't matter what color the looters are. They are all simply opportunists taking advantage of the situation.

THIS. I wish people would get it their heads that ALL the violent rioters and looters are criminals and should be arrested - regardless of their color or political affiliation.

But at the end of the day, I hope we'll get an honest tally about how many were white and/or out-of-staters. I'm guessing it's way more than you Cons want to believe. Doubt we'll get honesty with this administration. Maybe the states will shed some light.

What’s with the nasty “Cons” label? I just stated that any and all rioters and looters should be arrested. I guess you disagree. Typical.

Cons is short for Conservatives. Just like you guys use "Libs" as a pejorative.

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Anonymous wrote:The guys in the "stupid ass Hawaiian shirts" are Boogaloo Bois and it seems they are organized, funded and very active in the violence and looting business.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boogaloo_movement#:~:text=The%20Boogaloo%20movement%2C%20members%20of,they%20call%20the%20%22boogaloo%22.

Of course Trump and his people like to say it's Antifa and call them terrorists and divert attention away from the criminals who are systematically promoting violence and agitating in every major city.

PP here. Agree - we know who they are and see all the folks who insist on blaming just blacks and/or Antifa. Including many on this thread. Deliberate deflection.

What we have here is exactly the opposite. You flat out refuse to acknowledge that Antifa is indeed part of this mess of rioters. Why is that? Why are you refusing to acknowledge what many sources have acknowledged - that the instigators are a mix of white supremacists, blacks, and Antifa?

Talk about deliberate - and obvious - deflection.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't matter what color the looters are. They are all simply opportunists taking advantage of the situation.

THIS. I wish people would get it their heads that ALL the violent rioters and looters are criminals and should be arrested - regardless of their color or political affiliation.

But at the end of the day, I hope we'll get an honest tally about how many were white and/or out-of-staters. I'm guessing it's way more than you Cons want to believe. Doubt we'll get honesty with this administration. Maybe the states will shed some light.

What’s with the nasty “Cons” label? I just stated that any and all rioters and looters should be arrested. I guess you disagree. Typical.

Cons is short for Conservatives. Just like you guys use "Libs" as a pejorative.

I know what it is. The question is why are you labeling posters who are simply saying all involved in violent rioting should arrested? Why are you a riot apologist?

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t base your judgments on who gets arrested. Because the cops will arrest the black person standing there trying to stop the white personal from looting. And the white personnel will walk away.

Exactly. It's a fact that blacks are arrested at a much higher rate than whites.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't matter what color the looters are. They are all simply opportunists taking advantage of the situation.

THIS. I wish people would get it their heads that ALL the violent rioters and looters are criminals and should be arrested - regardless of their color or political affiliation.

But at the end of the day, I hope we'll get an honest tally about how many were white and/or out-of-staters. I'm guessing it's way more than you Cons want to believe. Doubt we'll get honesty with this administration. Maybe the states will shed some light.

What’s with the nasty “Cons” label? I just stated that any and all rioters and looters should be arrested. I guess you disagree. Typical.

Cons is short for Conservatives. Just like you guys use "Libs" as a pejorative.

I know what it is. The question is why are you labeling posters who are simply saying all involved in violent rioting should arrested? Why are you a riot apologist?

Why are you calling me a violent riot apologist? I never defended the looters.

I am, however, sick of the CONS on this site who are telling us we didn't see what we saw with our own eyes.

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Link to cnn or NYT?

I’m not white. Again you jump to a perceived racism insult when you have no facts and cannot support your view rationally.

Yeah, because only white people can be white centric.

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Anonymous wrote:I find the fact that you find it implausible to be extremists amusing - clearly not paying attention to FBI domestic terror threats. There are definitely black looters, but they are by far not the main instigators in my city. And the past few days, we haven't seen them at all except at protests - not since Thursday night which was insane but now it's almost all disgusting white guys amped up with guns, bandanas and stolen cars. And stupid ass Hawaiian shirts. I just can't with these pathetic failures of human garbage. https://twitter.com/BillyBaldwin/status/1267122073744207872

Yes, these ninja ones are the worst, they are completely covered so you don't know who they are or what their agenda is or who they work for! She was so nonchalant about the whole thing and didn't engage at all with the black sista's so you gonna be down for the cause but you can't even engage in conversation with 2 black ladies, I don't think so!

The women wearing black are clearly Antifa. They claim to be BLM supporters and here they are vandalizing with BLM slogans so that blacks will be blamed. Antifa’s finest.

Proof? Because there's lots of evidence that white Dumpsters are stirring this up.

Yeah, how are those women "clearly" ANTIFA? Because they're all in black?

Some people are so gullible.

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Anonymous wrote:I find the fact that you find it implausible to be extremists amusing - clearly not paying attention to FBI domestic terror threats. There are definitely black looters, but they are by far not the main instigators in my city. And the past few days, we haven't seen them at all except at protests - not since Thursday night which was insane but now it's almost all disgusting white guys amped up with guns, bandanas and stolen cars. And stupid ass Hawaiian shirts. I just can't with these pathetic failures of human garbage. https://twitter.com/BillyBaldwin/status/1267122073744207872

Yes, these ninja ones are the worst, they are completely covered so you don't know who they are or what their agenda is or who they work for! She was so nonchalant about the whole thing and didn't engage at all with the black sista's so you gonna be down for the cause but you can't even engage in conversation with 2 black ladies, I don't think so!

The women wearing black are clearly Antifa. They claim to be BLM supporters and here they are vandalizing with BLM slogans so that blacks will be blamed. Antifa’s finest.

Proof? Because there's lots of evidence that white Dumpsters are stirring this up.

There’s evidence of right AND left wing agitators, you moron. Trying to pin this on “Trump voters” (wtf?) just makes you look completely idiotic.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/outside-influence-extremists-riots-us/index.html

Federal law enforcement officials tell CNN they are aware of organized groups who are seeking to carry out the property destruction and violence, using the cover of the legitimate protests in Minneapolis and elsewhere. Those domestic extremist groups include anarchists, anti-government groups often associated with far-right extremists and white supremacy causes, and far-left extremists who identify with anti-fascist ideology.

Antifa describes a broad group of people whose political beliefs lean toward the left -- often the far left. Antifa positions can be hard to define, but many members support oppressed populations and protest the amassing of wealth by corporations and elites. Some employ radical or militant tactics to get out their messages.

The FBI and other federal agencies are working with local authorities to track social media posts and other communications to identify those who have crossed state lines to carry out violence. Federal officials say they believe there is an amalgam of groups showing up in protests from the extremist left and right that normally oppose each other but see common cause in attacking the police and the government.

In New York, investigators are also searching social media to identify leaders who are trying to get protestors to gather to incite violence, a law enforcement official told CNN. Investigators there have seen antagonizers more affiliated with Antifa and far-left causes, and not necessarily white supremacist groups. "They do not represent the peaceful New Yorkers that want to protest," the official said.

[Anonymous]

Fact: “Cons”, as a nickname for 2020 Trump
Supporting conservatives, provides the double entendre that is so apropos for a conniving group of instigators.

Don the Con.

Has a nice ring to it.

DumpTrump2020
TrumpTrashSmellsLikeAss
VoteBlueNoMatterWho
DonTheConMadeAmericaHateAgain
DitchMitchThe..Punk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fact: “Cons”, as a nickname for 2020 Trump
Supporting conservatives, provides the double entendre that is so apropos for a conniving group of instigators.

Don the Con.

Has a nice ring to it.

DumpTrump2020
TrumpTrashSmellsLikeAss
VoteBlueNoMatterWho
DonTheConMadeAmericaHateAgain
DitchMitchThe..Punk.

And the perfect antidote to the Cons who are sneering about "Libs" all over Fox and DCUM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The guys in the "stupid ass Hawaiian shirts" are Boogaloo Bois and it seems they are organized, funded and very active in the violence and looting business.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boogaloo_movement#:~:text=The%20Boogaloo%20movement%2C%20members%20of,they%20call%20the%20%22boogaloo%22.

Of course Trump and his people like to say it's Antifa and call them terrorists and divert attention away from the criminals who are systematically promoting violence and agitating in every major city.

PP here. Agree - we know who they are and see all the folks who insist on blaming just blacks and/or Antifa. Including many on this thread. Deliberate deflection.

What we have here is exactly the opposite. You flat out refuse to acknowledge that Antifa is indeed part of this mess of rioters. Why is that? Why are you refusing to acknowledge what many sources have acknowledged - that the instigators are a mix of white supremacists, blacks, and Antifa?

Talk about deliberate - and obvious - deflection.

You have the wrong PP and are conflating viewpoints. My point is that solely blaming Antifa and blacks is deflecting from an actual white supremacist problem.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.justsecurity.org/70497/far-right-infiltrators-and-agitators-in-george-floyd-protests-indicators-of-white-supremacists/

The article states that most of the protesters in Minneapolis were from out of state - that was debunked and the major admitted it wasn’t true. Please get your facts straight.

I'm on the ground in Minnesota, and have this happening in real time on my streets. Your criticism of the article is such a tertiary point to the discussion, and Matthew Rupert was just charged with federal rioting here and he is from....Illinois. So yeah, information changing rapidly, but doesn't negate the value of examining who is sowing chaos and why. The article was written on May 30 by a terrorism scholar and yes many things have changed since then. I think you missed the broader point. Still worth a read.

Did you see Rupert's FB? He's not right wing. Most of the protesters is not all of the protesters.

I was pointing out that he was from out of state in response to the poster saying that was debunked. Made no claim to him being associated with any group. The truth is always the grey middle in these fast changing situations.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.justsecurity.org/70497/far-right-infiltrators-and-agitators-in-george-floyd-protests-indicators-of-white-supremacists/

The article states that most of the protesters in Minneapolis were from out of state - that was debunked and the major admitted it wasn’t true. Please get your facts straight.

I'm on the ground in Minnesota, and have this happening in real time on my streets. Your criticism of the article is such a tertiary point to the discussion, and Matthew Rupert was just charged with federal rioting here and he is from....Illinois. So yeah, information changing rapidly, but doesn't negate the value of examining who is sowing chaos and why. The article was written on May 30 by a terrorism scholar and yes many things have changed since then. I think you missed the broader point. Still worth a read.

Did you see Rupert's FB? He's not right wing. Most of the protesters is not all of the protesters.

I was pointing out that he was from out of state in response to the poster saying that was debunked. Made no claim to him being associated with any group. The truth is always the grey middle in these fast changing situations.

NP, not always. Sometimes. Sometimes there is only one side that is right. One that is wrong.

In Nazi Germany, the “Hitler Train” came. There was no middle, even though there were plenty who argued it. There Is no gray area for child pornography and human trafficking, and human slavery. Trafficking is literally modern day slavery of the highest order.

Sometimes there is a grey middle. But often the situations are “fast changing” because it’s very black and white.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.justsecurity.org/70497/far-right-infiltrators-and-agitators-in-george-floyd-protests-indicators-of-white-supremacists/

The article states that most of the protesters in Minneapolis were from out of state - that was debunked and the major admitted it wasn’t true. Please get your facts straight.

I'm on the ground in Minnesota, and have this happening in real time on my streets. Your criticism of the article is such a tertiary point to the discussion, and Matthew Rupert was just charged with federal rioting here and he is from....Illinois. So yeah, information changing rapidly, but doesn't negate the value of examining who is sowing chaos and why. The article was written on May 30 by a terrorism scholar and yes many things have changed since then. I think you missed the broader point. Still worth a read.

Did you see Rupert's FB? He's not right wing. Most of the protesters is not all of the protesters.

I was pointing out that he was from out of state in response to the poster saying that was debunked. Made no claim to him being associated with any group. The truth is always the grey middle in these fast changing situations.

NP, not always. Sometimes. Sometimes there is only one side that is right. One that is wrong.

In Nazi Germany, the “Hitler Train” came. There was no middle, even though there were plenty who argued it. There Is no gray area for child pornography and human trafficking, and human slavery. Trafficking is literally modern day slavery of the highest order.

Sometimes there is a grey middle. But often the situations are “fast changing” because it’s very black and white.

I'm not talking about what's morally right. I'm talking about who is participating. Plenty of people wanted to blame Protestants vs. Catholics, proletariat vs. privileged in placing blame for joining Nazi party. Turned out it was a catch all party of protest, but to your point, those people who joined were all crappy humans who empowered sheer evil. My point is that here in Minnesota there are people out of state and in state, including many from out state (a term we use meaning not from the Cities but from Minnesota) who came to sow havoc. They aren't all white supremacists, but there sure as heck are a lot of those, and I've seen them all over Highland Park St. Paul.

And the whole issue of looting cannot be examined without acknowledging that white culture has always placed property above black lives. It doesn't make you a riot apologist to examine that moral failing on our part.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.justsecurity.org/70497/far-right-infiltrators-and-agitators-in-george-floyd-protests-indicators-of-white-supremacists/

The article states that most of the protesters in Minneapolis were from out of state - that was debunked and the major admitted it wasn’t true. Please get your facts straight.

I'm on the ground in Minnesota, and have this happening in real time on my streets. Your criticism of the article is such a tertiary point to the discussion, and Matthew Rupert was just charged with federal rioting here and he is from....Illinois. So yeah, information changing rapidly, but doesn't negate the value of examining who is sowing chaos and why. The article was written on May 30 by a terrorism scholar and yes many things have changed since then. I think you missed the broader point. Still worth a read.

Did you see Rupert's FB? He's not right wing. Most of the protesters is not all of the protesters.

I was pointing out that he was from out of state in response to the poster saying that was debunked. Made no claim to him being associated with any group. The truth is always the grey middle in these fast changing situations.

NP, not always. Sometimes. Sometimes there is only one side that is right. One that is wrong.

In Nazi Germany, the “Hitler Train” came. There was no middle, even though there were plenty who argued it. There Is no gray area for child pornography and human trafficking, and human slavery. Trafficking is literally modern day slavery of the highest order.

Sometimes there is a grey middle. But often the situations are “fast changing” because it’s very black and white.

I'm not talking about what's morally right. I'm talking about who is participating. Plenty of people wanted to blame Protestants vs. Catholics, proletariat vs. privileged in placing blame for joining Nazi party. Turned out it was a catch all party of protest, but to your point, those people who joined were all crappy humans who empowered sheer evil. My point is that here in Minnesota there are people out of state and in state, including many from out state (a term we use meaning not from the Cities but from Minnesota) who came to sow havoc. They aren't all white supremacists, but there sure as heck are a lot of those, and I've seen them all over Highland Park St. Paul.

And the whole issue of looting cannot be examined without acknowledging that white culture has always placed property above black lives. It doesn't make you a riot apologist to examine that moral failing on our part.

PP here, and I agree, and I very much appreciate your further clarification here. Thanks.