Metro United having ID Sessions

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Yeah, this talking down of MU is not resonating with me. It's cute to watch though.

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Anonymous wrote:all this talk about Metro United next year and GFR 08 is in the bottom of Jeff Cup are we to believe they will be better than FCV for U13 next year?

Yeah that’s a safe bet. I would say Metro 08 with Stoddard #7 and GFR #16 will be better than FCV #10.

https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/VA/12/Girls/

Not to say you are wrong, but all these rankings are silly in terms of how they are going to translate from small field to big field, etc....

Well if your gonna bring up Jeff Cup placements to speculate on next year all rankings are fair game I would say.

you are speculating Stoddard 08 will join Metro.. I won't drive from DC to RESTON 4 times a week. so Yes GRF #16 is All Metro Has while FCV is #10

You may not but some will. Stoddard players train in VA with Metro DA every week. The Stoddard 08s just went to Penn Fusion DA this weekend with Metro DA coaches for some friendlies with Penn Fusion, Pipeline, etc.

So you think stoddert is a powerhouse? It’s not. Remember DA/ECNL selection will be maybe one or two players from a team. Some of the players who kill it on the 9v9 field will have problems on the large field. Things change on the big field and older age groups. The size and speed advantages enjoyed by many players in the u- little disappear as all the players make it through puberty.

A DC player would have to drive by Arlington and Mclean to get to Metro’s practices. Depending on where you live it’s like 15-20 for Arlington, Mclean 20-30 and Tyson/Reston 35-45 minutes on good days. If in upper NW BSC or Pipeline will be easier.

A club doesn't need to be a "power house" to have 3-4 kids who are quality. Multiply that by 3 clubs and you have a core. Be a club that directly feeds a DA and parents put their kids in that program if they feel their kid can play at a higher level.

Presumably, those Stoddert parents that felt Arlington was an option had gone to Arlington already.

Regarding a Stoddert parent driving by McLean for Metro is not true. The reality is the difference between the two clubs can simply be a matter of turning left or right off the Beltway.

There can be 3-4 quality players on a team but they are not DA quality. If Stoddert had 3-4 DA quality players their tournament record would be a lot better. This is the first time I have seen Stoddert in the Jeff Cup(great!) and it’s in a lower flight. You may be playing against another clubs 2nd or 3rd team. When you go to JeFf Cup watch the teams in the top flight. How many of the girls on your team could play at that level? Remember Loudoun is in the second flight and Arlington is in the third. A lot of people are saying both of those placements are too high. How does your team play against those clubs?

Stoddert’s 08’s are ranked higher than GFR or FCV in Youth Soccer Rankings.

Why do you think ranking matter? MU will be a good option for those who have been left out of the process, are upset at the current club, looking for a different coach, style of play, etc. At the clubs where they have DA and are established, girls who are on the u12 top team will make the DA roster. A good deal of these girls would not make the team if they were trying out for the club from outside of the club. They only take girls who are really really good.
Remember DA is not really about being on a high ranked team. It’s about being the 2-3 best girl on the team.

The point was made to back up the claim that a club like Stoddert easily has 3-4 quality players that can contribute at a DA level.

They probably do. The team is the 7th best U12 team in VA.

nothing to brag about considering U12 girls in Virginia are a weak age for girls

Based on what exactly?

Not the pp but...if you look at Stoddert’s tournament record, they do not play the top bracket, do not play large tournaments(wags, Jeff cup, BSC, etc) and do not win the lower brackets(with exception of ASIST tournament).

Also Virginia has one team that is respectable and they are not in NoVA. Maybe the pp was thinking NoVa as a weak area. It is. Look for yourself.

https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/Region1/12/Girls/

Also the Stoddert is not even on the radar of the big clubs in NoVa. Stoddert’s reputation is not great.

Who care about big clubs. There are plenty big clubs that are terrible. Stoddard 08 is a little behind Arlington and better than FCV. Youthsoccerrankings has it about right. With GFR added they are going to be good and challenge Arlington.

Not if they have their 2008 team play in the 2007 age group because they can't find any 2007's. They will continue to be terrible at all ages with the exception of the 2005 team which is mediocre at best.

If the 08's play up a year at DA how does that make them terrible? Because of the results due to playing up a year? You can't really be this stupid right?

DP. I'm not saying their terrible. As a general comment, players playing up should be held to the same standard as at age players. So, if a player plays up, first they should really be capable of dominating in that age group. Playing up but being mediocre when they do has little to no value. And, they don't get "extra credit" because they are playing up. If it's a bad pass for an at age player, it's a bad pass for the player playing up.

The best rule of thumb quality clubs use and great coaches have shared is that no player should play up unless that would still make them one of the top 3 players on a team. They should not play up simply because they are strong in their own age group, but become one of the bottom (or even middle for that matter) players on the team they are trying to play up with.

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Don't set kids up for failure by putting them up if they are not dominant. Of course there is that exceptional athlete in any sport and you challenge them, but they are truly the exception.

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Unless you are going to go to college a year early, the conveyor belt of playing up dead ends at u19

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Playing up took on a whole new meaning a few years ago when US Soccer changed the age groupings. Lots of kids ended up playing up just to stay with their current teammates / friends.

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Anonymous wrote:all this talk about Metro United next year and GFR 08 is in the bottom of Jeff Cup are we to believe they will be better than FCV for U13 next year?

Yeah that’s a safe bet. I would say Metro 08 with Stoddard #7 and GFR #16 will be better than FCV #10.

https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/VA/12/Girls/

Not to say you are wrong, but all these rankings are silly in terms of how they are going to translate from small field to big field, etc....

Well if your gonna bring up Jeff Cup placements to speculate on next year all rankings are fair game I would say.

you are speculating Stoddard 08 will join Metro.. I won't drive from DC to RESTON 4 times a week. so Yes GRF #16 is All Metro Has while FCV is #10

You may not but some will. Stoddard players train in VA with Metro DA every week. The Stoddard 08s just went to Penn Fusion DA this weekend with Metro DA coaches for some friendlies with Penn Fusion, Pipeline, etc.

So you think stoddert is a powerhouse? It’s not. Remember DA/ECNL selection will be maybe one or two players from a team. Some of the players who kill it on the 9v9 field will have problems on the large field. Things change on the big field and older age groups. The size and speed advantages enjoyed by many players in the u- little disappear as all the players make it through puberty.

A DC player would have to drive by Arlington and Mclean to get to Metro’s practices. Depending on where you live it’s like 15-20 for Arlington, Mclean 20-30 and Tyson/Reston 35-45 minutes on good days. If in upper NW BSC or Pipeline will be easier.

A club doesn't need to be a "power house" to have 3-4 kids who are quality. Multiply that by 3 clubs and you have a core. Be a club that directly feeds a DA and parents put their kids in that program if they feel their kid can play at a higher level.

Presumably, those Stoddert parents that felt Arlington was an option had gone to Arlington already.

Regarding a Stoddert parent driving by McLean for Metro is not true. The reality is the difference between the two clubs can simply be a matter of turning left or right off the Beltway.

There can be 3-4 quality players on a team but they are not DA quality. If Stoddert had 3-4 DA quality players their tournament record would be a lot better. This is the first time I have seen Stoddert in the Jeff Cup(great!) and it’s in a lower flight. You may be playing against another clubs 2nd or 3rd team. When you go to JeFf Cup watch the teams in the top flight. How many of the girls on your team could play at that level? Remember Loudoun is in the second flight and Arlington is in the third. A lot of people are saying both of those placements are too high. How does your team play against those clubs?

Stoddert’s 08’s are ranked higher than GFR or FCV in Youth Soccer Rankings.

Why do you think ranking matter? MU will be a good option for those who have been left out of the process, are upset at the current club, looking for a different coach, style of play, etc. At the clubs where they have DA and are established, girls who are on the u12 top team will make the DA roster. A good deal of these girls would not make the team if they were trying out for the club from outside of the club. They only take girls who are really really good.
Remember DA is not really about being on a high ranked team. It’s about being the 2-3 best girl on the team.

The point was made to back up the claim that a club like Stoddert easily has 3-4 quality players that can contribute at a DA level.

They probably do. The team is the 7th best U12 team in VA.

nothing to brag about considering U12 girls in Virginia are a weak age for girls

Based on what exactly?

Not the pp but...if you look at Stoddert’s tournament record, they do not play the top bracket, do not play large tournaments(wags, Jeff cup, BSC, etc) and do not win the lower brackets(with exception of ASIST tournament).

Also Virginia has one team that is respectable and they are not in NoVA. Maybe the pp was thinking NoVa as a weak area. It is. Look for yourself.

https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/Region1/12/Girls/

Also the Stoddert is not even on the radar of the big clubs in NoVa. Stoddert’s reputation is not great.

Who care about big clubs. There are plenty big clubs that are terrible. Stoddard 08 is a little behind Arlington and better than FCV. Youthsoccerrankings has it about right. With GFR added they are going to be good and challenge Arlington.

Not if they have their 2008 team play in the 2007 age group because they can't find any 2007's. They will continue to be terrible at all ages with the exception of the 2005 team which is mediocre at best.

If the 08's play up a year at DA how does that make them terrible? Because of the results due to playing up a year? You can't really be this stupid right?

DP. I'm not saying their terrible. As a general comment, players playing up should be held to the same standard as at age players. So, if a player plays up, first they should really be capable of dominating in that age group. Playing up but being mediocre when they do has little to no value. And, they don't get "extra credit" because they are playing up. If it's a bad pass for an at age player, it's a bad pass for the player playing up.

The best rule of thumb quality clubs use and great coaches have shared is that no player should play up unless that would still make them one of the top 3 players on a team. They should not play up simply because they are strong in their own age group, but become one of the bottom (or even middle for that matter) players on the team they are trying to play up with.

So when FCV plays an entire team up an age group it is good but if Metro does it is bad?

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Anonymous wrote:BRYC Will probably be kicked out of ECNL because of how badly every single team is doing so why would they have a try out?

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U13 Boys - 3rd place
U14 Boys - 3rd place
U15 Boys - 11th place
U16 Boys - 9th place
U17 Boys - 1st place
U18/19 Boys - 3rd place

Girls
U13 10th
U14 6th
U15 11th
U16 9th
U17 1st
U18/19 3rd

Established BRYC teams on the girls side have performed well but they are certainly struggling at the younger ages, in a weak conference as well.

ECNL does not kick anyone out though so it is all academic.

Thats what happens when you alienate your base and focus on recruiting from neighboring clubs. My DD played 05 second team back in the CCL days and had to find a new club after the Ecnl switch. So no tears from us for BRYC.

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Anonymous wrote:all this talk about Metro United next year and GFR 08 is in the bottom of Jeff Cup are we to believe they will be better than FCV for U13 next year?

Yeah that’s a safe bet. I would say Metro 08 with Stoddard #7 and GFR #16 will be better than FCV #10.

https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/VA/12/Girls/

Not to say you are wrong, but all these rankings are silly in terms of how they are going to translate from small field to big field, etc....

Well if your gonna bring up Jeff Cup placements to speculate on next year all rankings are fair game I would say.

you are speculating Stoddard 08 will join Metro.. I won't drive from DC to RESTON 4 times a week. so Yes GRF #16 is All Metro Has while FCV is #10

You may not but some will. Stoddard players train in VA with Metro DA every week. The Stoddard 08s just went to Penn Fusion DA this weekend with Metro DA coaches for some friendlies with Penn Fusion, Pipeline, etc.

So you think stoddert is a powerhouse? It’s not. Remember DA/ECNL selection will be maybe one or two players from a team. Some of the players who kill it on the 9v9 field will have problems on the large field. Things change on the big field and older age groups. The size and speed advantages enjoyed by many players in the u- little disappear as all the players make it through puberty.

A DC player would have to drive by Arlington and Mclean to get to Metro’s practices. Depending on where you live it’s like 15-20 for Arlington, Mclean 20-30 and Tyson/Reston 35-45 minutes on good days. If in upper NW BSC or Pipeline will be easier.

A club doesn't need to be a "power house" to have 3-4 kids who are quality. Multiply that by 3 clubs and you have a core. Be a club that directly feeds a DA and parents put their kids in that program if they feel their kid can play at a higher level.

Presumably, those Stoddert parents that felt Arlington was an option had gone to Arlington already.

Regarding a Stoddert parent driving by McLean for Metro is not true. The reality is the difference between the two clubs can simply be a matter of turning left or right off the Beltway.

There can be 3-4 quality players on a team but they are not DA quality. If Stoddert had 3-4 DA quality players their tournament record would be a lot better. This is the first time I have seen Stoddert in the Jeff Cup(great!) and it’s in a lower flight. You may be playing against another clubs 2nd or 3rd team. When you go to JeFf Cup watch the teams in the top flight. How many of the girls on your team could play at that level? Remember Loudoun is in the second flight and Arlington is in the third. A lot of people are saying both of those placements are too high. How does your team play against those clubs?

Stoddert’s 08’s are ranked higher than GFR or FCV in Youth Soccer Rankings.

Why do you think ranking matter? MU will be a good option for those who have been left out of the process, are upset at the current club, looking for a different coach, style of play, etc. At the clubs where they have DA and are established, girls who are on the u12 top team will make the DA roster. A good deal of these girls would not make the team if they were trying out for the club from outside of the club. They only take girls who are really really good.
Remember DA is not really about being on a high ranked team. It’s about being the 2-3 best girl on the team.

The point was made to back up the claim that a club like Stoddert easily has 3-4 quality players that can contribute at a DA level.

They probably do. The team is the 7th best U12 team in VA.

nothing to brag about considering U12 girls in Virginia are a weak age for girls

Based on what exactly?

Not the pp but...if you look at Stoddert’s tournament record, they do not play the top bracket, do not play large tournaments(wags, Jeff cup, BSC, etc) and do not win the lower brackets(with exception of ASIST tournament).

Also Virginia has one team that is respectable and they are not in NoVA. Maybe the pp was thinking NoVa as a weak area. It is. Look for yourself.

https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/Region1/12/Girls/

Also the Stoddert is not even on the radar of the big clubs in NoVa. Stoddert’s reputation is not great.

Who care about big clubs. There are plenty big clubs that are terrible. Stoddard 08 is a little behind Arlington and better than FCV. Youthsoccerrankings has it about right. With GFR added they are going to be good and challenge Arlington.

Not if they have their 2008 team play in the 2007 age group because they can't find any 2007's. They will continue to be terrible at all ages with the exception of the 2005 team which is mediocre at best.

If the 08's play up a year at DA how does that make them terrible? Because of the results due to playing up a year? You can't really be this stupid right?

DP. I'm not saying their terrible. As a general comment, players playing up should be held to the same standard as at age players. So, if a player plays up, first they should really be capable of dominating in that age group. Playing up but being mediocre when they do has little to no value. And, they don't get "extra credit" because they are playing up. If it's a bad pass for an at age player, it's a bad pass for the player playing up.

The best rule of thumb quality clubs use and great coaches have shared is that no player should play up unless that would still make them one of the top 3 players on a team. They should not play up simply because they are strong in their own age group, but become one of the bottom (or even middle for that matter) players on the team they are trying to play up with.

So when FCV plays an entire team up an age group it is good but if Metro does it is bad?

FCV only does that when they play in the NPL league which is weak. They do not have entire teams playing up in the DA.

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To the posters interested in the 06s, have you watched an actual league game for this team?

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Anonymous wrote:all this talk about Metro United next year and GFR 08 is in the bottom of Jeff Cup are we to believe they will be better than FCV for U13 next year?

Yeah that’s a safe bet. I would say Metro 08 with Stoddard #7 and GFR #16 will be better than FCV #10.

https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/VA/12/Girls/

Not to say you are wrong, but all these rankings are silly in terms of how they are going to translate from small field to big field, etc....

Well if your gonna bring up Jeff Cup placements to speculate on next year all rankings are fair game I would say.

you are speculating Stoddard 08 will join Metro.. I won't drive from DC to RESTON 4 times a week. so Yes GRF #16 is All Metro Has while FCV is #10

You may not but some will. Stoddard players train in VA with Metro DA every week. The Stoddard 08s just went to Penn Fusion DA this weekend with Metro DA coaches for some friendlies with Penn Fusion, Pipeline, etc.

So you think stoddert is a powerhouse? It’s not. Remember DA/ECNL selection will be maybe one or two players from a team. Some of the players who kill it on the 9v9 field will have problems on the large field. Things change on the big field and older age groups. The size and speed advantages enjoyed by many players in the u- little disappear as all the players make it through puberty.

A DC player would have to drive by Arlington and Mclean to get to Metro’s practices. Depending on where you live it’s like 15-20 for Arlington, Mclean 20-30 and Tyson/Reston 35-45 minutes on good days. If in upper NW BSC or Pipeline will be easier.

A club doesn't need to be a "power house" to have 3-4 kids who are quality. Multiply that by 3 clubs and you have a core. Be a club that directly feeds a DA and parents put their kids in that program if they feel their kid can play at a higher level.

Presumably, those Stoddert parents that felt Arlington was an option had gone to Arlington already.

Regarding a Stoddert parent driving by McLean for Metro is not true. The reality is the difference between the two clubs can simply be a matter of turning left or right off the Beltway.

There can be 3-4 quality players on a team but they are not DA quality. If Stoddert had 3-4 DA quality players their tournament record would be a lot better. This is the first time I have seen Stoddert in the Jeff Cup(great!) and it’s in a lower flight. You may be playing against another clubs 2nd or 3rd team. When you go to JeFf Cup watch the teams in the top flight. How many of the girls on your team could play at that level? Remember Loudoun is in the second flight and Arlington is in the third. A lot of people are saying both of those placements are too high. How does your team play against those clubs?

Stoddert’s 08’s are ranked higher than GFR or FCV in Youth Soccer Rankings.

Why do you think ranking matter? MU will be a good option for those who have been left out of the process, are upset at the current club, looking for a different coach, style of play, etc. At the clubs where they have DA and are established, girls who are on the u12 top team will make the DA roster. A good deal of these girls would not make the team if they were trying out for the club from outside of the club. They only take girls who are really really good.
Remember DA is not really about being on a high ranked team. It’s about being the 2-3 best girl on the team.

The point was made to back up the claim that a club like Stoddert easily has 3-4 quality players that can contribute at a DA level.

They probably do. The team is the 7th best U12 team in VA.

nothing to brag about considering U12 girls in Virginia are a weak age for girls

Based on what exactly?

Not the pp but...if you look at Stoddert’s tournament record, they do not play the top bracket, do not play large tournaments(wags, Jeff cup, BSC, etc) and do not win the lower brackets(with exception of ASIST tournament).

Also Virginia has one team that is respectable and they are not in NoVA. Maybe the pp was thinking NoVa as a weak area. It is. Look for yourself.

https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/Region1/12/Girls/

Also the Stoddert is not even on the radar of the big clubs in NoVa. Stoddert’s reputation is not great.

Who care about big clubs. There are plenty big clubs that are terrible. Stoddard 08 is a little behind Arlington and better than FCV. Youthsoccerrankings has it about right. With GFR added they are going to be good and challenge Arlington.

Not if they have their 2008 team play in the 2007 age group because they can't find any 2007's. They will continue to be terrible at all ages with the exception of the 2005 team which is mediocre at best.

If the 08's play up a year at DA how does that make them terrible? Because of the results due to playing up a year? You can't really be this stupid right?

DP. I'm not saying their terrible. As a general comment, players playing up should be held to the same standard as at age players. So, if a player plays up, first they should really be capable of dominating in that age group. Playing up but being mediocre when they do has little to no value. And, they don't get "extra credit" because they are playing up. If it's a bad pass for an at age player, it's a bad pass for the player playing up.

The best rule of thumb quality clubs use and great coaches have shared is that no player should play up unless that would still make them one of the top 3 players on a team. They should not play up simply because they are strong in their own age group, but become one of the bottom (or even middle for that matter) players on the team they are trying to play up with.

So when FCV plays an entire team up an age group it is good but if Metro does it is bad?

FCV only does that when they play in the NPL league which is weak. They do not have entire teams playing up in the DA.

And if a team is playing up at NPL and not dominating there then why do it?

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"And if a team is playing up at NPL and not dominating there then why do it?"

They don't have to dominate to play up. There are so many other benefits that can be taken to improve and develop the individual and team play. Learning how to adapt and play against bigger physical players. Speed of play can be quicker and help improve decision making under pressure. So many others...

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Anonymous wrote:"And if a team is playing up at NPL and not dominating there then why do it?"

They don't have to dominate to play up. There are so many other benefits that can be taken to improve and develop the individual and team play. Learning how to adapt and play against bigger physical players. Speed of play can be quicker and help improve decision making under pressure. So many others...

The entire FCV team playing up is an 08 team playing 07 to learn 11 v 11. The same team ALSO plays 9 v 9 at 08. The purpose is not to dominate but to learn and be better prepared for full field play. VERY different than older ages who already play full field soccer -- DA/ECNL players playing up when they aren't dominating -- on any team, not singling out MU.

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Anonymous wrote:"And if a team is playing up at NPL and not dominating there then why do it?"

They don't have to dominate to play up. There are so many other benefits that can be taken to improve and develop the individual and team play. Learning how to adapt and play against bigger physical players. Speed of play can be quicker and help improve decision making under pressure. So many others...

The entire FCV team playing up is an 08 team playing 07 to learn 11 v 11. The same team ALSO plays 9 v 9 at 08. The purpose is not to dominate but to learn and be better prepared for full field play. VERY different than older ages who already play full field soccer -- DA/ECNL players playing up when they aren't dominating -- on any team, not singling out MU.

Ok........

But earlier it was said that in order to play up one should be at the top 3 of players and dominating.

So, again, if FCV does it then it is good.

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not PP but maybe what was trying to be said is Metro having girls playing 2 years up is a bit excessive. I personally don't see wrong with one or 2 players playing up and even a team if they are learning but it seemed Metro had no one so was desperate to fill slots and just starting having everyone playing a year or two up which to me isnt fair to those girls lose and not developing.

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Anonymous wrote:not PP but maybe what was trying to be said is Metro having girls playing 2 years up is a bit excessive. I personally don't see wrong with one or 2 players playing up and even a team if they are learning but it seemed Metro had no one so was desperate to fill slots and just starting having everyone playing a year or two up which to me isnt fair to those girls lose and not developing.

And FCV has an entire team playing up.

At the end of the day, you do what you think is right for your kid. The argument of who and when it is appropriate to play up can be twisted to fit a particular narrative.