UMD vs UVA

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Anonymous wrote:Fight to make UVA bigger. The reason so many people like it is that it's a great state school without tens of thousands of people. Virginia has two "big state u" options in VT and JMU.

JMU and UVA are about the same size and both technically have "tens of thousands" with enrollments over 20K. VCU and George Mason have much larger student populations than JMU or UVA. William & Mary is the smaller one, with about 8K students.

For what it’s worth, the medical, law, and business school graduate programs aren’t on the central UVA campus. That might be why people think it’s smaller than it is.

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Anonymous wrote:UMD admissions rate: 44.3% (they don't break it down by residents/OOS)
UVA admissions rate: 36% residents, 19% non-residents

From what I'm reading, UMD can't have more than 1/3 non-residents by law and UVA agrees to the same percentage, but there isn't actually a law about it in Virginia.

UMD is double the size if UVA

The state of Maryland has ~twice as many HS grads than VA.

Virginia has 2.5M people more than Maryland. That doesn't seem likely.

Sorry I wrote that backwards. Yes Virginia has twice as many high school students than Maryland. They also have half as many spots at UVA than Maryland has. That’s why it seems harder to get in... twice as many kids are applying to half as many spots it’s basic math.

But any student that’s going to Virginia up for engineering over Maryland is simply doing it to get away from their parents.

One other factor is that Virginia's roster of state schools after the flagship is robust, and Maryland's is . . . not.

Compare William and Mary, Va. Tech, JMU, and VCU with Towson, Bowie State, Coppin State, UMBC, Salisbury, St. Mary's - there are a lot more palatable alternatives for top students in VA.

MD has 1/2 as many HS students why would they need so many colleges.

UMD is twice the size of UVA, UMBC is equal to VA Tech, JMU and Towson are equal.... After that are really going to argue who has better schools....

The only thing VA has that MD does not have is W&M but very few kids even want to attend W&M... MD needs to work on St. Mary's

Are you really going to argue that George Mason is better than Salisbury...

What VA residents need to fight for in VA is to grow UVA to be bigger. It is inadequate to educate VA residents. It's 1/2 the size of MD (even though MD has 1/2 as many residents), 1/4 the size of Penn State, 1/2 the size of Mchigan.

UVA cares more about USNews ranking than their residents,

This is simply not true. UMD is comparable to VT. Both are large research schools. Both are land grant schools with agriculture departments. They even share a vet school. UMBC is similar to GMU. Up and coming with suburban campus. Maryland doesn’t have premium state colleges like UVa or W&M. Instead it has an elite private college, namely Johns Hopkins. This is typical for northeastern states, where I don’t find any premium state college.

Cognitive dissidence

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Anonymous wrote:UMD admissions rate: 44.3% (they don't break it down by residents/OOS)
UVA admissions rate: 36% residents, 19% non-residents

From what I'm reading, UMD can't have more than 1/3 non-residents by law and UVA agrees to the same percentage, but there isn't actually a law about it in Virginia.

UMD is double the size if UVA

The state of Maryland has ~twice as many HS grads than VA.

Virginia has 2.5M people more than Maryland. That doesn't seem likely.

Sorry I wrote that backwards. Yes Virginia has twice as many high school students than Maryland. They also have half as many spots at UVA than Maryland has. That’s why it seems harder to get in... twice as many kids are applying to half as many spots it’s basic math.

But any student that’s going to Virginia up for engineering over Maryland is simply doing it to get away from their parents.

One other factor is that Virginia's roster of state schools after the flagship is robust, and Maryland's is . . . not.

Compare William and Mary, Va. Tech, JMU, and VCU with Towson, Bowie State, Coppin State, UMBC, Salisbury, St. Mary's - there are a lot more palatable alternatives for top students in VA.

MD has 1/2 as many HS students why would they need so many colleges.

UMD is twice the size of UVA, UMBC is equal to VA Tech, JMU and Towson are equal.... After that are really going to argue who has better schools....

The only thing VA has that MD does not have is W&M but very few kids even want to attend W&M... MD needs to work on St. Mary's

Are you really going to argue that George Mason is better than Salisbury...

What VA residents need to fight for in VA is to grow UVA to be bigger. It is inadequate to educate VA residents. It's 1/2 the size of MD (even though MD has 1/2 as many residents), 1/4 the size of Penn State, 1/2 the size of Mchigan.

UVA cares more about USNews ranking than their residents,

This is simply not true. UMD is comparable to VT. Both are large research schools. Both are land grant schools with agriculture departments. They even share a vet school. UMBC is similar to GMU. Up and coming with suburban campus. Maryland doesn’t have premium state colleges like UVa or W&M. Instead it has an elite private college, namely Johns Hopkins. This is typical for northeastern states, where I don’t find any premium state college.

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Anonymous wrote:I was curious and googled it. UVA Engineering was founded in 1836 and was the 4th university to have an engineering school (after West Point, Norwich, and RPI). I guess it's nonexistent if you are ignorant.

What an idiotic comment.....what does its age have to do with quality?

He was educated at UVA ... he has nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:You can do very well coming out of UMD but it seems best suited for kids who want to stay local. Nothing wrong in that. UVA seems to be better known nationally and internationally. Sort of like Michigan, UCLA, Berkeley, Wisconsin. Everyone knows these schools even though UMD probably fits in somewhere in between. Most people don’t pay attention to exact rankings - just general reputation. UMD is a good school although I have to admit that I find the campus and town pretty depressing. I think professors for UMD live all over the region rather than close to the school. I know 2 UMD professors and they both live in DC

UVA is barely known nationally and is not known at all internationally.
UMD is better known internationally.

And you would be wrong. UVA no. 4 best American public University. UMD no. 22. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly what is UVa's strengths? Other than ranking by some magazine. Specifics anyone?

Brad, Chad and Thad say it is great

UVA has very highly ranked/notable grad programs, namely
Law, Business, Architecture

Interested in STEM and / or an accredited undergraduate architecture program? Go to Tech. Blows UVA out of the water when it comes to all things STEM.

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Your feeling won't cheat on you if you go to visit both schools.
If cost is not a major concern, overwhelming majority of people will choose to go to uva without any doubt if they can get into both.

College is a life experience beside just learning. That experience is much nicer at uva.

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Anonymous wrote:You can do very well coming out of UMD but it seems best suited for kids who want to stay local. Nothing wrong in that. UVA seems to be better known nationally and internationally. Sort of like Michigan, UCLA, Berkeley, Wisconsin. Everyone knows these schools even though UMD probably fits in somewhere in between. Most people don’t pay attention to exact rankings - just general reputation. UMD is a good school although I have to admit that I find the campus and town pretty depressing. I think professors for UMD live all over the region rather than close to the school. I know 2 UMD professors and they both live in DC

UVA is barely known nationally and is not known at all internationally.
UMD is better known internationally.

And you would be wrong. UVA no. 4 best American public University. UMD no. 22. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public

You sure place a lot of stock on a single poll by a single defunct magazine.

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly what is UVa's strengths? Other than ranking by some magazine. Specifics anyone?

Brad, Chad and Thad say it is great

UVA has very highly ranked/notable grad programs, namely
Law, Business, Architecture

Interested in STEM and / or an accredited undergraduate architecture program? Go to Tech. Blows UVA out of the water when it comes to all things STEM.

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The only place on earth where there's any argument over whether UVA is better than Maryland is in Maryland. Everywhere else UVA, deserved or not, has the better reputation and we all know it. Yes, STEM is objectively better at MD, but that doesn't even matter. You major in engineering at UVA and you're golden regardless.

We all can argue until the cows come home (to Maryland, not to UVA, as Maryland is the land grant university ha ha) whether UVA's better reputation is deserved, but that doesn't change the fact that the reputation is there. It's more selective, out of state students pay more to go there, etc., and these are all signs that it's a more desired school. No public university has had more Rhodes Scholars than UVA, and it continues to churn them out. Write that off as anecdotal, but the Rhodes is undeniably the most prestigious scholarship that there is for American undergraduates, and the award is dominated by top 10 private schools, the service academies, and UVA. This speaks volumes about the school's reputation for undergraduate education.

The only real argument is whether UVA's reputation as being better than Maryland is deserved -- not whether it exists.

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Eh, who cares? They’re both decent public universities. Other than cost, if that’s an issue, why would anybody go to either?

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Anonymous wrote:Eh, who cares? They’re both decent public universities. Other than cost, if that’s an issue, why would anybody go to either?

Oh stop it. You're just trying to get a rise out of people. You'd kill to send your kid to UVA. That's why you're on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Eh, who cares? They’re both decent public universities. Other than cost, if that’s an issue, why would anybody go to either?

World class research faculty and opportunities. Neither of which top 10 SLACs have.

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Anonymous wrote:Eh, who cares? They’re both decent public universities. Other than cost, if that’s an issue, why would anybody go to either?

Oh stop it. You're just trying to get a rise out of people. You'd kill to send your kid to UVA. That's why you're on this thread.

Lol.....incorrect. I’m just amused by your infantile bickering. Oh, and my DC attend colleges that are much higher ranked than UVA and it would have been unimaginable for them to have chosen to go to a public college where the vast majority of students come from in-state.....especially a state like Virginia.

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Anonymous wrote:Eh, who cares? They’re both decent public universities. Other than cost, if that’s an issue, why would anybody go to either?

Oh stop it. You're just trying to get a rise out of people. You'd kill to send your kid to UVA. That's why you're on this thread.

Lol.....incorrect. I’m just amused by your infantile bickering. Oh, and my DC attend colleges that are much higher ranked than UVA and it would have been unimaginable for them to have chosen to go to a public college where the vast majority of students come from in-state.....especially a state like Virginia.

Nonsense is free on an anonymous forum I suppose