Mackenzie Lueck

[Anonymous]

I don’t understand how these women who are looking for SD do it- what do they do if the guy they just had sex with refuses to pay- they don’t have pimps or anything that will ensure that they get their money.

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Anonymous wrote:I discussed this with my DD, who is currently in college. She told me that all of her roommates are into the whole sugar daddy/sugar baby scene - meaning they are either currently doing it, or are totally open to doing it. She tells them they're all crazy for doing it, but clearly they don't care.

That's very scary. It's good that your daughter is using better judgement than her roommates are but what if one of them brings one of these sugar daddys home or has one of these guys show up on their doorstep? That could put your daughter in danger even though she is not directly involved in any of these arrangements.

She needs better friends.

thank you. I am very proud at her desire to be more discerning about her dating life, but you do make a good point and needing better friends/roommates. And also about being careful about someone showing up at her doorstep. Because of all that has happened, she's wanting to purchase mace which thankfully is legal mostly everywhere.

New poster. PP with the daughter in college: I'm asking sincerely, no snark: Does your DD live off campus? Or maybe the sugar baby girls are in "safe" on-campus dorms but go to their SDs rather than vice versa--? Be got a kid starting college this fall and this whole idea is sickening.

She is in "campus adjacent" housing - it's an apartment complex next to the campus but not technically on campus. the only residents are students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She was a sex worker. She may not have had compelling reasons (poverty, sex-slavery, kidnapped) to do it, but that was what she was.

It is a horrifying death for any person. It is terrible for the family to know that their loved one died in this way. It is terrible for the family to know that their child was a sex worker. Still, she was the victim of a serial killer who has probably done this before and would have continued to kill if he was not apprehended.

I think we need to concentrate on the fact that she was the victim of a depraved, sadistic, sexual-deviant serial killer. We should not be victim shaming here. Very sad for this yoing woman and her family. She was someone's child and family member. Lets not forget this.

+1. If it didn’t happen at 3am with this woman, it could have easily happened to another one on her 2nd or 3rd date with this guy.

Absolutely. If it hadn't been Mackenzie it would have been someone else. If Mackenizie's sorority sisters, family and church hadn't brought media attention to her disappearance this guy could have gone on to kill more women. The people who loved Mackenzie have no doubt saved the lives of other women.

No way was Mackenzie the first one. No way.

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Anonymous wrote:The guy isn't a serial killer. To be a serial killer he would have to be better at it. Putting a mattress online and burning her in his backyard doesn't tell me that he's a guy who knows how to do this successfully.

If no one had been looking for Mackenzie he would have gotten away with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand how these women who are looking for SD do it- what do they do if the guy they just had sex with refuses to pay- they don’t have pimps or anything that will ensure that they get their money.

They probably blast him online for being a scammer sugar daddy. That's pretty much all they could do.

[Anonymous]

Uh, guys, the perp wrote a book about roasting a girl. Amazon just pulled it. https://www.thedailybeast.com/mackenzie-lueck-amazon-pulls-novel-by-murder-suspect-ayoola-ajayi?source=facebook&via=desktop

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The guy is a monster. But no one had an issue when he was abusing his AA wife.

Women of any color being abused by their husbands IS NOT national news. It's extremely common. Banality of evil and all that.

Young, wholesome looking mormon prostitute being brutally murdered on the way home from grandma's funeral? That's not normal. And hence news. It isn't race (though the blonde thing helps because people associate it with youth as biologically speaking, it is). It's about novelty and unfairness, and things not being what they seem.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents really need to warn their kids about “potential” bad people.
“Everyone is really good inside.” is a very bad way to raise children. No clue how she was raised, but I see too many parents raising their children to trust everyone. Maybe he somehow got her to feel sorry for him. No clue why she thought he was trustworthy, and it was safe to be alone with him.
So many girls are getting raped and taken advantage of. I think most simply don’t tell their parents because it’s too painful.
Of course it’s easier to scream it’s HIS fault, which is ABSOLUTELY true, but your daughter is still the one who gets raped. No parent wants that!!!!!
Tell your daughter not to allow herself to ever be alone and secluded with a boy/man that you don’t know.
Girls are growing up very naive with regard to their personal safety. This has to change. They’re extremely vulnerable during their teens and 20’s, wanting to feel like an adult. Show them how *you* take precautions to protect your safety, and don’t drink and drive. Tell them NOT to drink at all with guys who may turn evil, and take advantage of them.

Who is raising their kids like this? I teach my teen to travel in groups/with a buddy, be aware of her surroundings, stranger danger (especially leering men), etc. I don't think I'm outside of the norm.

Good question.

[Anonymous]

I am still amazed by this "Sugar Baby and Sugar Daddy" phenomenon. I mean, I knew young women in my sorority who stripped and made a s**t-ton of cash that they desperately needed but they left it at the heavy black door and didn't descend into hooking as far as I knew.

I guess sugar babies and daddies can't be arrested for any crime since it's consensual and over 18 and all but it just seems incredibly dangerous.

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Why did she resort to prostitution? It seemed like her family was middle class and that she had the necessities in life. She didn’t seem desperate for cash to avoid eviction or being kicked out of college. Is it just sheer materialism? Wanting the newest and nicest of everything like the Instagram influencers and not knowing how else to get it?

There are young women who are legitimately in these transactional relationships, but they don’t meet the guys by meeting in a park in the middle of the night. And they’re almost all in big cities where people have lots of money - NYC, LA, Miami, etc. Not Utah. She was so clueless. I hope her death shines a light on this phenomenon so other young women (and young men, too), don’t suffer the same fate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am still amazed by this "Sugar Baby and Sugar Daddy" phenomenon. I mean, I knew young women in my sorority who stripped and made a s**t-ton of cash that they desperately needed but they left it at the heavy black door and didn't descend into hooking as far as I knew.

I guess sugar babies and daddies can't be arrested for any crime since it's consensual and over 18 and all but it just seems incredibly dangerous.

It's been popularized by 50 Shades Of Grey and popular billionaire BDSM romances. All these young teens and college-aged women think they can get older men (late 30s to early 50s) and millionaires to pay for their lifestyles.

Also reality TV.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am still amazed by this "Sugar Baby and Sugar Daddy" phenomenon. I mean, I knew young women in my sorority who stripped and made a s**t-ton of cash that they desperately needed but they left it at the heavy black door and didn't descend into hooking as far as I knew.

I guess sugar babies and daddies can't be arrested for any crime since it's consensual and over 18 and all but it just seems incredibly dangerous.

It's been popularized by 50 Shades Of Grey and popular billionaire BDSM romances. All these young teens and college-aged women think they can get older men (late 30s to early 50s) and millionaires to pay for their lifestyles.

Also reality TV.

Just nasty

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I discussed this with my DD, who is currently in college. She told me that all of her roommates are into the whole sugar daddy/sugar baby scene - meaning they are either currently doing it, or are totally open to doing it. She tells them they're all crazy for doing it, but clearly they don't care.

As a public service you should name the crappy college with amoral students.

If I told you, you would likely not believe me AND I would be called a liar/troll or whatever else you can come up with. The most I will tell you is: Large East Coast Public, where many DC area students attend. Not Penn State.

Also, please do not be so naive as to think this doesn't go on at Ivy's or other exclusive universities.

I’d also heard of it because my DD knows a girl who did it to pay for college. Similar school to described above. Possibly same school. The girl had a broker (pimp in my opinion) and alleged nothing scary ever happened. DD ended their friendship after the girl wouldn’t stop trying to recruit her, but she married a young doctor a year after graduation.

A college girl having sex with middle aged men in exchange for money is pretty damned scary in and of itself. If those guys had to shell out enough money to pay for that girl's college tuition then those guys must have been terribly gross, unattractive and desperate to get laid. Yuck.

It's beyond belief especially in these times where everyone knows they easy prey. A million things ranging from diseased to being criminals, obviously gross and icky. That's a given.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I discussed this with my DD, who is currently in college. She told me that all of her roommates are into the whole sugar daddy/sugar baby scene - meaning they are either currently doing it, or are totally open to doing it. She tells them they're all crazy for doing it, but clearly they don't care.

I feel like this is a consequence of the current “consent culture”. We’ve removed all morality from sex. It used to be sex was part of marriage, essentially with a contract in place. Then it moved to relationships, with the expectation of some form of commitment. Now all that’s required is consent, which is a pretty low bar, and doesn’t really acknowledge that bad things can happen when you have sex with people you don’t really know.

Maybe, but I think it has more to do with the cultivated lives kids see on social media and, well, everywhere else I guess. There’s little connection, publicly, between hard work and achievement of any kind, including financial success. We idolize people who are famous for being famous, and those people are rich. Or at least seem rich. Kids (and I think of anyone under 25 or so as a kid) think they should have whatever they want, whenever they want it. It has always been like that to some degree, but I think it has gotten far worse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The girl was meeting up with her third Sugar Daddy at 3PM in a park.

If she'd been a proper prostitute she would have had someone acting as her 'pimp' for protection. At the very least she could have been smart enough to only meet up with a SD in broad daylight in a public place.

A PARK at 3AM? She was either desperate for money or drugs or both.

3 am or 3 pm? We need to know so we can know HOW MUCH to blame the victim. Thanks.

Why do people like you try to misrepresent being cautious with assigning blame? There is absolutely no denying that a single man or woman walking anywhere alone at 3 a.m. is taking a far bigger chance than walking anywhere at 3 p.m. Definitely true in a large city.