Who leaked the MCPS attendance documents to the Washington Post?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From the Post article:

"Montgomery was once tougher with attendance, but its old “loss of credit” policy was scrapped in 2010 amid concerns that it took a particular toll on students of color, led to some students giving up and was at odds with the system’s move to standards-based grading."

This is just infuriating. Showing up to school is not only important, it also helps prepare students for similar responsibliities in the real world.

What's next, if Crime X is committed disproportionately by Race Y, then the solution will be to stop prosecuting for that crime?

You're comparing not showing up for school to committing a crime. They are not comparable.

DP here. Then let's not compare. Would you consider it reasonable that if we see students from a certain race are doing disproportionately bad on school attendance, we should just stop disciplinary measures towards attendance issues?

Presumably the point is not to punish students for not being in school. The point is to get students to be in school. So: do the disciplinary measures help get students to be in school?

I think we should try to be clear. The point is not ONLY to get students BACK to school. The point is to get student to be in school.

Punishing those who do not attend, may not help much in getting them back. However, it does help to prevent others to escape school.

i.e. for some students, punishing them means nothing. But for most students, the punishment still means something in stopping them from breaking the rules.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We don't have kids in high school yet - but I didn't feel the article was completely clear about what is considered "excused" versus "unexcused". Obviously if you don't show up or provide a reason that is "unexcused" but how do they deal with being out for family reason or vacation? I guess that is "unexcused" as well? So far our elementary school considers everything excused as long as you send a note. But it sounds like that is not the case at all schools?

I think everything is unexcused unless you have official (e.g. doctor's note for being sick) reasons.

That’s not true. You don’t need a doctors note for an absence to be excused. But family vacations are not excused absences.

[Anonymous]

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I think we should try to be clear. The point is not ONLY to get students BACK to school. The point is to get student to be in school.

Punishing those who do not attend, may not help much in getting them back. However, it does help to prevent others to escape school.

i.e. for some students, punishing them means nothing. But for most students, the punishment still means something in stopping them from breaking the rules.

I think we should see some evidence that the punishment was effective, before we decide to reinstitute the punishment policies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I think we should try to be clear. The point is not ONLY to get students BACK to school. The point is to get student to be in school.

Punishing those who do not attend, may not help much in getting them back. However, it does help to prevent others to escape school.

i.e. for some students, punishing them means nothing. But for most students, the punishment still means something in stopping them from breaking the rules.

I think we should see some evidence that the punishment was effective, before we decide to reinstitute the punishment policies.

Isn't that common sense? There are students who simply love school and eager to go, there are also students who hate school and would want to skip school whenever possible. There are also students in between. When there is no punishments for not going to school, certainly you would have a lower attendance rate.

I am not saying punishment is the best way to deal with this (not saying it is not the best way either, just don't want to discuss this when I don't have concrete data), but it is certainly something that can have some effects.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I think we should try to be clear. The point is not ONLY to get students BACK to school. The point is to get student to be in school.

Punishing those who do not attend, may not help much in getting them back. However, it does help to prevent others to escape school.

i.e. for some students, punishing them means nothing. But for most students, the punishment still means something in stopping them from breaking the rules.

I think we should see some evidence that the punishment was effective, before we decide to reinstitute the punishment policies.

Isn't that common sense? There are students who simply love school and eager to go, there are also students who hate school and would want to skip school whenever possible. There are also students in between. When there is no punishments for not going to school, certainly you would have a lower attendance rate.

I am not saying punishment is the best way to deal with this (not saying it is not the best way either, just don't want to discuss this when I don't have concrete data), but it is certainly something that can have some effects.

Common sense =/= evidence. Lots of things that are "common sense" turn out not to be true.

Also, your assumption here is that the primary reason for students' skipping school is that they hate school. What if that's not the primary reason?

[Anonymous]

More SJW bs

If you don't know the material you should fail the class
If you disrupt the classroom you should be out of the class

If this means more low income Hispanic and black students so be it

Social promotion and showing that you can get by by doing nothing doesn't do these kids any favors. It just reinforces bad habits.

In the real world jobs don't care if you are an URM. Your ass is fired if you can't do the work and/or can't show up on time/at all

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:More SJW bs

If you don't know the material you should fail the class
If you disrupt the classroom you should be out of the class

If this means more low income Hispanic and black students so be it

Social promotion and showing that you can get by by doing nothing doesn't do these kids any favors. It just reinforces bad habits.

In the real world jobs don't care if you are an URM. Your ass is fired if you can't do the work and/or can't show up on time/at all

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. This is what happens if you are an URM. In MCPS secondary schools and in the real world, allowances are made for white and wealthy people when they engage in the exact same behaviors as poor people of color.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We don't have kids in high school yet - but I didn't feel the article was completely clear about what is considered "excused" versus "unexcused". Obviously if you don't show up or provide a reason that is "unexcused" but how do they deal with being out for family reason or vacation? I guess that is "unexcused" as well? So far our elementary school considers everything excused as long as you send a note. But it sounds like that is not the case at all schools?

I think everything is unexcused unless you have official (e.g. doctor's note for being sick) reasons.

That’s not true. You don’t need a doctors note for an absence to be excused. But family vacations are not excused absences.

1-4 consecutive days out for illness do not require a doctor’s note. The fifth day does.

W schools almost always excuse the family vacations. They list them under religious or educational. Non-W schools seem to push back more, but parents just schedule the trip to coincide with a 4 day week and write a note that Larla is sick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More SJW bs

If you don't know the material you should fail the class
If you disrupt the classroom you should be out of the class

If this means more low income Hispanic and black students so be it

Social promotion and showing that you can get by by doing nothing doesn't do these kids any favors. It just reinforces bad habits.

In the real world jobs don't care if you are an URM. Your ass is fired if you can't do the work and/or can't show up on time/at all

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. This is what happens if you are an URM. In MCPS secondary schools and in the real world, allowances are made for white and wealthy people when they engage in the exact same behaviors as poor people of color.

more victim card and blaming from the SJW crowd
Zero personal accountability and responsibility. Pathetic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I think we should try to be clear. The point is not ONLY to get students BACK to school. The point is to get student to be in school.

Punishing those who do not attend, may not help much in getting them back. However, it does help to prevent others to escape school.

i.e. for some students, punishing them means nothing. But for most students, the punishment still means something in stopping them from breaking the rules.

I think we should see some evidence that the punishment was effective, before we decide to reinstitute the punishment policies.

Isn't that common sense? There are students who simply love school and eager to go, there are also students who hate school and would want to skip school whenever possible. There are also students in between. When there is no punishments for not going to school, certainly you would have a lower attendance rate.

I am not saying punishment is the best way to deal with this (not saying it is not the best way either, just don't want to discuss this when I don't have concrete data), but it is certainly something that can have some effects.

Common sense =/= evidence. Lots of things that are "common sense" turn out not to be true.

Also, your assumption here is that the primary reason for students' skipping school is that they hate school. What if that's not the primary reason?

No. I am assuming most students are in between (love and hate) school. Those who hate school will not be affected much by these punishments.
The punishments works on those in between.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More SJW bs

If you don't know the material you should fail the class
If you disrupt the classroom you should be out of the class

If this means more low income Hispanic and black students so be it

Social promotion and showing that you can get by by doing nothing doesn't do these kids any favors. It just reinforces bad habits.

In the real world jobs don't care if you are an URM. Your ass is fired if you can't do the work and/or can't show up on time/at all

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. This is what happens if you are an URM. In MCPS secondary schools and in the real world, allowances are made for white and wealthy people when they engage in the exact same behaviors as poor people of color.

If that were really the case, go for those who made the rules for the "allowances". Don't try to compensate for that using our school system.

[Anonymous]

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No. I am assuming most students are in between (love and hate) school. Those who hate school will not be affected much by these punishments.
The punishments works on those in between.

Before you decide on consequences for skipping school, it would be a good idea to find out (not assume) WHY students are skipping school.

[Anonymous]

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more victim card and blaming from the SJW crowd
Zero personal accountability and responsibility. Pathetic

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

more victim card and blaming from the SJW crowd
Zero personal accountability and responsibility. Pathetic

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lol how pathetic to live a life where anyone who disagrees with you is a bot
What these people need is tough love
Coddling them and spouting racisim right and left doesn't help these folks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

more victim card and blaming from the SJW crowd
Zero personal accountability and responsibility. Pathetic

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lol how pathetic to live a life where anyone who disagrees with you is a bot
What these people need is tough love
Coddling them and spouting racisim right and left doesn't help these folks

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