Who leaked the MCPS attendance documents to the Washington Post?

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Anonymous wrote:I am sure there is an issue but I also know that my kids often have unexcused absences that were entered wrong that no one bothers to correct. Sometimes we do not even know till we get the report card. Or we get an email and it is a field trip or sports.


Don't make excuses.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/can-you-skip-47-days-of-english-class-and-still-graduate-from-high-school/2019/05/25/be3318ca-1b84-11e9-88fe-f9f77a3bcb6c_story.html?utm_term=.a076946cf709

This has been going on for a LONG time. Someone had the balls to bring it to the surface.

This is how it works:

In Montgomery, educators in a string of high schools have told The Post that attendance practices are lax, vague or inconsistent. Some say they feel pressured to give makeup work, extend deadlines, excuse assignments or find other ways to help repeatedly absent students pass — and that the problem is not just a matter of seniors’ losing interest as their high school days wind down.


So yes, a kid can miss instruction but teachers are FORCED to re-teach/re-assess, which pulls the responsibility away from the kid. And how much learning can be done through "tutoring?" Do you really think that Jo Jo, who's absent 3/5 days each week, is learning? even WITH "re-teaching?"

absolutely disgusting!




This is also an issue in elementary schools. I have had students who miss 30 plus days of school. The PPW sends letters and very rarely does the parent have to attend a truancy hearing. One of the biggest issues we face is with kids whom we suspect have a learning disability not being able to move past the EMT process because the attendance rate is an issue. We’ve made calls to CPS because it can be considered neglect but still nothing happens. Then we have to answer as to why the student is below grade level, and like every other logical reason it’s considered to be an excuse by admin.



This is a YOU problem not a parent problem. What I mean is that if the school is out of legal compliance if they are requiring students to have fewer than 5 unexcused absences in order to receive an IEP. That is not anywhere in the law. Your school is causing the problem by creating a process with an illegal requirement. There are many many reasons why kids don't attend school. My DC had a mental health issue and missed 50% of some classes in HS. DC still graduated and went to an Ivy League school because we insisted the 504 team accommodate her health issues, even though they initially tried to blame her non-attendance on some kind of willful disobedience, laziness or skipping.

It is not neglect when a student refuses to go to school because they are dealing with mental health issues (whether iatrogenic or mental health issues stemming from an undiagnosed or unaccommodated learning disability) or when they are being punished (instead of accommodated or provided special instruction) at school for having a learning disability (as is so often the case)>


NP. Where did the PP say anything about five days? She cited 30+. "Lack of instruction" is right there on the learning disability form as a contraindication for identifying a student with SLD. It is literally part of the IDEA definition as an exclusionary factor. If you are chronically absent, you have a lack of instruction. You cannot be provided specialized instruction without an IEP, because that's a violation of Least Restrictive Environment, and you can't get an IEP for SLD if you don't go to school. This is not MCPS or your school trying to trap you. It's what the federal law says. Your anger is misplaced.


Pay attention to the form. A mental health impairment is NOT a Specific Learning Disability. These are two different disabilities so the school would be using the wrong form for a mental health impairment. A mental health impairment can impact a child's ability to go to school and the child will need an IEP for support. IIS might be needed as a Special Education Services for when the child can't go to school.


You are like a dog with a bone without any reading comprehension skills c


Ignorance of what is actually in IDEA is the primary reason MCPS is not compliant. If you work for MCPS and are a member of IEP teams, please get training on the many different types of disabilities that qualify for an IEP if there's an educational impact. Obviously if a child's mental health impairment is affecting his/her ability to attend school, there's an educational impact that needs to be addressed.


Wow. Both sides of this debate are correct. If a student has a mental health disability that impacts them attending school then attendance is not an exclusionary factor. This is also true for an intellectual disability, other health impairment, TBI, hearing loss, vision, etc. Attendance is, however, an exclusionary factor when a team is determining eligibility for a specific learning disability. You must rule out lack of instruction as the reason the student is not making progress. If a student is continuously absent for 25 or 30 days a year, the student has not been provided with appropriate instruction. In the elementary school this happens way too often. It is never the kids fault and at my school we try everything to help the family get the child to school but it does happen.


If the disability is impacting access to instruction, then the school system should be providing instruction at home. There are many children in MCPS that are being denied access to a Free Appropriate Public Education when attendance is used as an exclusionary factor for an IEP.
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Anonymous wrote:I am sure there is an issue but I also know that my kids often have unexcused absences that were entered wrong that no one bothers to correct. Sometimes we do not even know till we get the report card. Or we get an email and it is a field trip or sports.



47 times? The article isn't about mistakes in recording. It is about massive unexcused absences that show that students don't actually have to attend MCPS to graduate. The article devalues MCPS diplomas for all students.


I don't see a problem with "devaluing MCPS diploma". Nowadays people know a HS diploma means nothing. If one really wants to evaluate the student, at least the GPA should be looked at.
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Knowing the root cause is not the same as addressing it. What have you actually done, either personally or as part of a group to help students overcome the reasons they miss classes?


So you're blaming teachers now?

This is a point I've made again and again, and you're part of the problem.

I don't owe you an explanation of steps I've taken, especially with your accusatory tone.

You're part of the problem, and you'll continue to help the system erode each and every day.

thanks


This work is part of our job. Each and every day. You don’t do this important part of your job and you resent being called out for it.



You are an ahole pp! I'm not a teacher but you are out of line. The teacher's responsibility is teaching, not social worker or counselor. Teachers are mandated reporters of abuse. It ends there. It is the school administrators responsibility to police attendance requirements and hire staff to monitor the epidemic and offer solutions.



Thanks to the ^ PP for defending me for not doing my job.

So here you go, Einstein. (I'm replying to the PP in bold.) I'll give you ONE example of what I did for ONE kid for an entire semester - not in any particular order b/c you wouldn't understand anyway. (One year half of my 32 students in ONE class had IEPs and behavioral issues. They traveled in a pack, and there were pages of pages of entries on the comm logs on multiple students in that group.)

1. talked to student - switched up my strategies, my groupings, my planning with the sped co-teacher
2. called home - could never reach the mother
3. emailed colleagues regarding successful methods in dealing with student - nothing of substance was shared, as she was an issue in all of her classes
4. tested reading level (reading 3 grade levels below)
5. documented all behaviors in class on the comm log - many, many entries (not just from me)
6. contacted counselor about a meeting with parent
7. suggested testing for an IEP (ED specifically, as she was not a coded student in this co-taught class) - was slapped down for overstepping bounds
8. contacted school psychologist to observe - In a nutshell, psych said the kid needed to be disciplined and that her hands were tied. OK, thanks for nothing
9. sent home work after she had been suspended for fighting before an assembly where a popular figure was giving a motivational speech during Hispanic Heritage Month - She beat up a boy. Hey - she was tough.
10. completed a BIP and FBA that went nowhere



long story short - She was placed in an honors English class the next semester with a wonderful teacher who should have been a role model. She failed the class and was gone the next year.

lather, rinse, repeat - multiple times throughout the year
So when does teaching get done?

You claim this is OUR job. So I'm assuming (ASSuming?) you're an educator. Tell me what you've done that matches anything close to what I've done. I resent being unfairly called out by an a**hole like you. You are an a**hole.


Nothing on this list is exceptional. These are all basic things that even first-year teachers would be expected to do. Thousand of teachers in MCOS do all of these things for multiple students. If you think you’ve gone above and beyond the call of duty with that list, you are deluded.


You must be an excellent teacher and work well with tough student. I wish there were more teachers like you so MCPS can close the achievement gap and make every student successful. Would you consider to move to one of the lower ranking school to teach?


I see these steps as standard and common practice. Many people seem to have false expectations on the schools: the so-called "achievement gap" is not something the schools can do much. Just let it be, it is reality.
You can't expect all students to perform.
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Anonymous wrote:Good for WAPO! I wish that they would do more investigative reporting like this. I'm sure that MCPS central office staff is on the war path trying to figure out who shared the data instead of spending one minute on how to fix the actual problem.


Agreed. Typical for MCPS to not actually focus on the problem.

Next cover-up -- try getting numbers on retention rate for teachers. They don't publish them, and have refused to publish them. I suspect a lot of teachers are getting fed up and leaving... but that's only anecdotal.
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From the Post article:

"Montgomery was once tougher with attendance, but its old “loss of credit” policy was scrapped in 2010 amid concerns that it took a particular toll on students of color, led to some students giving up and was at odds with the system’s move to standards-based grading."

This is just infuriating. Showing up to school is not only important, it also helps prepare students for similar responsibliities in the real world.

What's next, if Crime X is committed disproportionately by Race Y, then the solution will be to stop prosecuting for that crime?
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Anonymous wrote:From the Post article:

"Montgomery was once tougher with attendance, but its old “loss of credit” policy was scrapped in 2010 amid concerns that it took a particular toll on students of color, led to some students giving up and was at odds with the system’s move to standards-based grading."

This is just infuriating. Showing up to school is not only important, it also helps prepare students for similar responsibliities in the real world.

What's next, if Crime X is committed disproportionately by Race Y, then the solution will be to stop prosecuting for that crime?


You're comparing not showing up for school to committing a crime. They are not comparable.
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Anonymous wrote:I am sure there is an issue but I also know that my kids often have unexcused absences that were entered wrong that no one bothers to correct. Sometimes we do not even know till we get the report card. Or we get an email and it is a field trip or sports.


Don't make excuses.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/can-you-skip-47-days-of-english-class-and-still-graduate-from-high-school/2019/05/25/be3318ca-1b84-11e9-88fe-f9f77a3bcb6c_story.html?utm_term=.a076946cf709

This has been going on for a LONG time. Someone had the balls to bring it to the surface.

This is how it works:

In Montgomery, educators in a string of high schools have told The Post that attendance practices are lax, vague or inconsistent. Some say they feel pressured to give makeup work, extend deadlines, excuse assignments or find other ways to help repeatedly absent students pass — and that the problem is not just a matter of seniors’ losing interest as their high school days wind down.


So yes, a kid can miss instruction but teachers are FORCED to re-teach/re-assess, which pulls the responsibility away from the kid. And how much learning can be done through "tutoring?" Do you really think that Jo Jo, who's absent 3/5 days each week, is learning? even WITH "re-teaching?"

absolutely disgusting!





Is this just a random name you picked, or does that bratty JoJo with the hair bows attend MCPS?
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Anonymous wrote:From the Post article:

"Montgomery was once tougher with attendance, but its old “loss of credit” policy was scrapped in 2010 amid concerns that it took a particular toll on students of color, led to some students giving up and was at odds with the system’s move to standards-based grading."

This is just infuriating. Showing up to school is not only important, it also helps prepare students for similar responsibliities in the real world.

What's next, if Crime X is committed disproportionately by Race Y, then the solution will be to stop prosecuting for that crime?


Isn’t that basically what goes on in MCPS? There is a LOT of pressure on schools to not suspend or punish students of certain races. The students know it. Parents know it.



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Anonymous wrote:From the Post article:

"Montgomery was once tougher with attendance, but its old “loss of credit” policy was scrapped in 2010 amid concerns that it took a particular toll on students of color, led to some students giving up and was at odds with the system’s move to standards-based grading."

This is just infuriating. Showing up to school is not only important, it also helps prepare students for similar responsibliities in the real world.

What's next, if Crime X is committed disproportionately by Race Y, then the solution will be to stop prosecuting for that crime?


You're comparing not showing up for school to committing a crime. They are not comparable.


DP here. Then let's not compare. Would you consider it reasonable that if we see students from a certain race are doing disproportionately bad on school attendance, we should just stop disciplinary measures towards attendance issues?
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We don't have kids in high school yet - but I didn't feel the article was completely clear about what is considered "excused" versus "unexcused". Obviously if you don't show up or provide a reason that is "unexcused" but how do they deal with being out for family reason or vacation? I guess that is "unexcused" as well? So far our elementary school considers everything excused as long as you send a note. But it sounds like that is not the case at all schools?
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Anonymous wrote:From the Post article:

"Montgomery was once tougher with attendance, but its old “loss of credit” policy was scrapped in 2010 amid concerns that it took a particular toll on students of color, led to some students giving up and was at odds with the system’s move to standards-based grading."

This is just infuriating. Showing up to school is not only important, it also helps prepare students for similar responsibliities in the real world.

What's next, if Crime X is committed disproportionately by Race Y, then the solution will be to stop prosecuting for that crime?


I mean. That is what happens though. Brock Turner rapes an unconscious woman. He's white and an athlete. Six month sentence, reduced to 3 months, no time in actual prison just the local small jail.
Cory Batey. Same crime, but black. must serve a mandatory minimum sentence of 15 to 25 years in prison.

Countless others - if you're black, you do major time. If you're white, you are patted on the head and told it's ok.
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Anonymous wrote:We don't have kids in high school yet - but I didn't feel the article was completely clear about what is considered "excused" versus "unexcused". Obviously if you don't show up or provide a reason that is "unexcused" but how do they deal with being out for family reason or vacation? I guess that is "unexcused" as well? So far our elementary school considers everything excused as long as you send a note. But it sounds like that is not the case at all schools?


I think everything is unexcused unless you have official (e.g. doctor's note for being sick) reasons.
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Anonymous wrote:We don't have kids in high school yet - but I didn't feel the article was completely clear about what is considered "excused" versus "unexcused". Obviously if you don't show up or provide a reason that is "unexcused" but how do they deal with being out for family reason or vacation? I guess that is "unexcused" as well? So far our elementary school considers everything excused as long as you send a note. But it sounds like that is not the case at all schools?


I think everything is unexcused unless you have official (e.g. doctor's note for being sick) reasons.


hmmm. doesn't seem to be the case at our ES. wondering if it is just our school or if this changes in the higher grades.
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Anonymous wrote:From the Post article:

"Montgomery was once tougher with attendance, but its old “loss of credit” policy was scrapped in 2010 amid concerns that it took a particular toll on students of color, led to some students giving up and was at odds with the system’s move to standards-based grading."

This is just infuriating. Showing up to school is not only important, it also helps prepare students for similar responsibliities in the real world.

What's next, if Crime X is committed disproportionately by Race Y, then the solution will be to stop prosecuting for that crime?


You're comparing not showing up for school to committing a crime. They are not comparable.


DP here. Then let's not compare. Would you consider it reasonable that if we see students from a certain race are doing disproportionately bad on school attendance, we should just stop disciplinary measures towards attendance issues?


Presumably the point is not to punish students for not being in school. The point is to get students to be in school. So: do the disciplinary measures help get students to be in school?
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Anonymous wrote:I am sure there is an issue but I also know that my kids often have unexcused absences that were entered wrong that no one bothers to correct. Sometimes we do not even know till we get the report card. Or we get an email and it is a field trip or sports.


This happens regularly to us — basically anytime we come in late because of a dr appointment, even though we tell the attendance secretary ahead of time and bring in a dr note. I regularly have to have her correct it, and I imagine most people don’t check to make sure it has been recorded properly.



Same. My son, who never misses an entire day of school, has been marked absent from classes repeatedly when the reason for missing a class was known to the teacher in advance or was a school mandated absence, like PAARC testing. If you don't check the attendance, you wouldn't even know. And who thinks to check attendance when you know your kid is at school?
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