a solution to the redshirting debate?

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Anonymous wrote:Not this debate again. Stay in your lane. It is none of your business what parents decide for their children.

It is my business if my kid has to compete against someone 13 months older than them.

It can be more than 13 months. My child is a September kid so if someone holds back their March, April, May, June kid, its far more of an age spread than 13 months.

Why would anyone do that? A kid born in June is already on the older half. I guess they want their kid to be at-least 7 months older than any other kid. If holding back a child who's already slated to be on the older half doesn't scream greed, I don't know what does.

My friend redshirted her early July daughter; the girl repeated 1st grade. The girl had reading issues. She was not pleased about doing this because our school had universal pk3 and pk4. She had done pk4, Kindergarten, and 1st (first time around), then she went to 2nd grade for about a month before dropping back with one group of kids and then her parent yanked her and she had to make all new friends.

That makes no sense. You fight for a good IEP and get private tutoring. It seems easier to hold a child back than actually put the work into helping as some parents expect the schools to do everything.

The entitlement and blindness of DCUM'S anti-redshirt posters is unreal. It always surprises me, but as I think they are an extremely sheltered and hypocritical group in general, I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Its entitled to hold your kid back for an advantage. We have a SN child who has a fall birthday. They went at 5, no issue. We heavily supplemented with private. That's what parents do. You do what you need to for your child to be successful. There is absolutely no reason to hold a child back, including SN. If they have SN they are far better off going on time for the academics and supports vs. holding back. You are not making your child smarter by holding them back. Any child struggling, as a parent you need to step up and help. No reason why any parent who can read and write and do basic math cannot tutor their kids K-2/3.

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Anonymous wrote:Not this debate again. Stay in your lane. It is none of your business what parents decide for their children.

It is my business if my kid has to compete against someone 13 months older than them.

It can be more than 13 months. My child is a September kid so if someone holds back their March, April, May, June kid, its far more of an age spread than 13 months.

Why would anyone do that? A kid born in June is already on the older half. I guess they want their kid to be at-least 7 months older than any other kid. If holding back a child who's already slated to be on the older half doesn't scream greed, I don't know what does.

My friend redshirted her early July daughter; the girl repeated 1st grade. The girl had reading issues. She was not pleased about doing this because our school had universal pk3 and pk4. She had done pk4, Kindergarten, and 1st (first time around), then she went to 2nd grade for about a month before dropping back with one group of kids and then her parent yanked her and she had to make all new friends.

That makes no sense. You fight for a good IEP and get private tutoring. It seems easier to hold a child back than actually put the work into helping as some parents expect the schools to do everything.

The mom (my friend) is a special ed teacher so I’m assuming she determined that private tutoring wasn’t enough. Because the daughter did have a lot of private tutoring. This was in the late 2000s.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not this debate again. Stay in your lane. It is none of your business what parents decide for their children.

It is my business if my kid has to compete against someone 13 months older than them.

It can be more than 13 months. My child is a September kid so if someone holds back their March, April, May, June kid, its far more of an age spread than 13 months.

Why would anyone do that? A kid born in June is already on the older half. I guess they want their kid to be at-least 7 months older than any other kid. If holding back a child who's already slated to be on the older half doesn't scream greed, I don't know what does.

My friend redshirted her early July daughter; the girl repeated 1st grade. The girl had reading issues. She was not pleased about doing this because our school had universal pk3 and pk4. She had done pk4, Kindergarten, and 1st (first time around), then she went to 2nd grade for about a month before dropping back with one group of kids and then her parent yanked her and she had to make all new friends.

That makes no sense. You fight for a good IEP and get private tutoring. It seems easier to hold a child back than actually put the work into helping as some parents expect the schools to do everything.

The mom (my friend) is a special ed teacher so I’m assuming she determined that private tutoring wasn’t enough. Because the daughter did have a lot of private tutoring. This was in the late 2000s.

Or, the mom didn't want to be bothered and just let the school do it. You aren't going to fully know reading issues and other stuff in k/1st.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t cogat and other tests now age-scaled?

Cogat and all the Gifted screening tests are age normed.

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Anonymous wrote:It should be a strict 12 month cut off. No one start late, no one start early OR you should let September and October kids start at 5.

So what will they do when someone try’s to enroll their newly turned six year old into Kindergarten? Insist that the kid enter the first grade without attending Kindergarten? Highly unlikely. They wouldn’t want a child who hasn’t attended kindergarten to go straight into first grade. And why would they care if the kid goes to Kindergarten? It’s no burden to them.

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t cogat and other tests now age-scaled?

Cogat and all the Gifted screening tests are age normed.

Don't they also need to produce work samples for some of the advanced/gifted programs though? Obviously a kid who's a year older than the other kids will do a better work sample than someone in the right grade. Hopefully they also take that into account if they do look at samples.

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Anonymous wrote:Not this debate again. Stay in your lane. It is none of your business what parents decide for their children.

It is my business if my kid has to compete against someone 13 months older than them.

It can be more than 13 months. My child is a September kid so if someone holds back their March, April, May, June kid, its far more of an age spread than 13 months.

Why would anyone do that? A kid born in June is already on the older half. I guess they want their kid to be at-least 7 months older than any other kid. If holding back a child who's already slated to be on the older half doesn't scream greed, I don't know what does.

My friend redshirted her early July daughter; the girl repeated 1st grade. The girl had reading issues. She was not pleased about doing this because our school had universal pk3 and pk4. She had done pk4, Kindergarten, and 1st (first time around), then she went to 2nd grade for about a month before dropping back with one group of kids and then her parent yanked her and she had to make all new friends.

That makes no sense. You fight for a good IEP and get private tutoring. It seems easier to hold a child back than actually put the work into helping as some parents expect the schools to do everything.

The entitlement and blindness of DCUM'S anti-redshirt posters is unreal. It always surprises me, but as I think they are an extremely sheltered and hypocritical group in general, I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

They’re just worried that their little Larla will be at a competitive disadvantage — as if kindergarten is a competition!

I don’t give a rat’s ass about whether your little Larla is #1. I’m going to put my kid in the best learning environment for him. Not everything is about winning.

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t cogat and other tests now age-scaled?

Cogat and all the Gifted screening tests are age normed.

They are both age and grade normed. We got both percentages when we got our Cogat scores. My kid did fantastic by age, but less per grade.

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t cogat and other tests now age-scaled?

Cogat and all the Gifted screening tests are age normed.

Don't they also need to produce work samples for some of the advanced/gifted programs though? Obviously a kid who's a year older than the other kids will do a better work sample than someone in the right grade. Hopefully they also take that into account if they do look at samples.

Its all by test scores. If we keep our child back, he would have made magnet program, no question. But, since we pushed him ahead, he came close and waitlisted. Either way, no big deal as he has no interest in it and his school has more advanced math than the magnet school.

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What's the K age range today under current law, 24 months right? That is, if your kid is turns six on Oct 1 you can still redshirt them until the following year, when they would be 6.99 years on Sept 30 and together in a class with a kid who turned 5 on Sept 30 and went on time? What's the redshirt rate for kids born October through say April or May?

Either way, there IS a line, it's just a question of whether 24 months is the right place to draw it. I'd be more inclined to draw it at 18 months or less... having a full 2 year age gap in same class when you're 14yo and 12yo in same class down the road seems pretty undesirable.

Regardless, sports should be age-based, not grade-based.

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Anonymous wrote:Not this debate again. Stay in your lane. It is none of your business what parents decide for their children.

It is my business if my kid has to compete against someone 13 months older than them.

It can be more than 13 months. My child is a September kid so if someone holds back their March, April, May, June kid, its far more of an age spread than 13 months.

Why would anyone do that? A kid born in June is already on the older half. I guess they want their kid to be at-least 7 months older than any other kid. If holding back a child who's already slated to be on the older half doesn't scream greed, I don't know what does.

My friend redshirted her early July daughter; the girl repeated 1st grade. The girl had reading issues. She was not pleased about doing this because our school had universal pk3 and pk4. She had done pk4, Kindergarten, and 1st (first time around), then she went to 2nd grade for about a month before dropping back with one group of kids and then her parent yanked her and she had to make all new friends.

That makes no sense. You fight for a good IEP and get private tutoring. It seems easier to hold a child back than actually put the work into helping as some parents expect the schools to do everything.

The entitlement and blindness of DCUM'S anti-redshirt posters is unreal. It always surprises me, but as I think they are an extremely sheltered and hypocritical group in general, I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

They’re just worried that their little Larla will be at a competitive disadvantage — as if kindergarten is a competition!

I don’t give a rat’s ass about whether your little Larla is #1. I’m going to put my kid in the best learning environment for him. Not everything is about winning.

Anti-redshirt posters on DCUM can't do basic math, so they freak out about irrelevant things. I guess not being able to add is stressful.

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If your child was born before the new year, but was due after the new year, then I'd say it's fine to redshirt them. Otherwise, there's no justification for not sending them on time.