New Royal Question - What Will Happen to Camilla?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I still hate Camilla. I hope wills reinstates Diana as hrh

Charles has been happily married to Camilla for almost 15 years, the same number of years he was unhappily married to Diana

If Charles dies first, Camilla will be his widow, but Diana will be nothing but his ex wife. The Royals thoroughly expunged Diana, and no grace or favor will ever be granted her, much less a title.

She still had a title at death and Diana is the only Royal still honored on the anniversary of her death date 20 years later, so I’m not sure where you’re coming from.

An kd expunged is a funny word for a woman who has yearly special exhibitions at the palaces and a statue going up in her honor at Kensington Palace on the 23rd anniversary of her death.

https://www.royal.uk/duke-cambridge-and-prince-harry-commission-statue-diana-princess-wales

A statue of Diana, Princess of Wales will be erected in the grounds of Kensington Palace at the request of her sons, The Duke of Cambridge and Prince Harry.

The poster suggested that Diana be reinstated with the title Her Royal Highness. All the adulation around Diana is an economic decision. She is good for the firm’s tourism business. She will never regain the hrh title nor will the royal family view her as anything but an asterisk. Had she lived, she would be treated the same way Sarah Ferguson was at her daughter’s wedding. Camilla would have center stage and Diana would be off to the side.

Camila and Charles would not have married if Diana were alive. Camilla would not have been at the wedding at all.

Disagree. Diana was a wingnut and we have no idea what she could have done to further embarrass the royals. In fact, I can see Charles married to Camilla and Diana being even more marginalized than Sarah Ferguson. The royals allowed Diana to do charity work but one word from them and no one woukd want her as a patron.

They let her do the work to keep her at arms length.

Ok Camilla lover. Diana was more powerful than they were while she was alive. There was a serious risk that Charles would have had to abdicate if Diana hadn’t passed. The public hated him and what he had done and didn’t want him as King.

They could have never successfully marginalized her. Look at what happened when she died. They tried to power through and not recognize her death in the way the public wanted. The Queen initially refused to lower the Royal Standard. There was HUGE public backlash against the BRF, and they quickly caved to public demand and agreed to the elaborate public funeral.

The Queen was wrong for how she responded to Diana’s death. So disrespectful.

Didn’t leave her summer vacation home to mourn with the public for four days! Initially refused to let Charles bring her back by royal charter. No flags at half-mass.

A one sentence note saying she was ‘shocked and distressed’ - nothing more.

Eventually it was sorted but that was a clear incidence of the Queen’s pettiness.

I don’t think it was petty so much as she was following protocol that adhered to Diana’s official post-divorce status. She was shocked at the enormity of the public’s grief, and it took her a while to recognize it and adapt accordingly. If you watched The Crown, this was kind of foreshadowed in the scenes where she’s called out by that columnist for being aloof and out of touch. She grudgingly takes his advice to make some changes, like meeting with the public, delivering a personal Christmas radio address, etc.

You’re mixing up The Crown and The Queen. And Diana died in August, the address given wasn’t at Christmas, it was the day before the funeral.

Sorry, I wasn’t clear. The thing with the columnist was decades ago, around the time Margaret was single. I was trying to show how tradition and protocol govern the Queen’s actions, but periodically, something happens that forces her to update the way things are done. The columnist thing was during the second season of The Crown. She invites him to the palace for advice, he gives her a long list of suggestions, she’s offended but ends up adopting a few of them, including the Christmas address.

Diana’s death, many years later, was another episode that forced the royal family to change protocol. The Royal Standard always flew to indicate that the Queen was in residence, and that was all it it ever meant. In context, the public interpreted the refusal to lower it as disrespectful to Diana. This flummoxed the Queen, but she ultimately relented.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I still hate Camilla. I hope wills reinstates Diana as hrh

Charles has been happily married to Camilla for almost 15 years, the same number of years he was unhappily married to Diana

If Charles dies first, Camilla will be his widow, but Diana will be nothing but his ex wife. The Royals thoroughly expunged Diana, and no grace or favor will ever be granted her, much less a title.

She still had a title at death and Diana is the only Royal still honored on the anniversary of her death date 20 years later, so I’m not sure where you’re coming from.

An kd expunged is a funny word for a woman who has yearly special exhibitions at the palaces and a statue going up in her honor at Kensington Palace on the 23rd anniversary of her death.

https://www.royal.uk/duke-cambridge-and-prince-harry-commission-statue-diana-princess-wales

A statue of Diana, Princess of Wales will be erected in the grounds of Kensington Palace at the request of her sons, The Duke of Cambridge and Prince Harry.

The poster suggested that Diana be reinstated with the title Her Royal Highness. All the adulation around Diana is an economic decision. She is good for the firm’s tourism business. She will never regain the hrh title nor will the royal family view her as anything but an asterisk. Had she lived, she would be treated the same way Sarah Ferguson was at her daughter’s wedding. Camilla would have center stage and Diana would be off to the side.

Camila and Charles would not have married if Diana were alive. Camilla would not have been at the wedding at all.

Disagree. Diana was a wingnut and we have no idea what she could have done to further embarrass the royals. In fact, I can see Charles married to Camilla and Diana being even more marginalized than Sarah Ferguson. The royals allowed Diana to do charity work but one word from them and no one woukd want her as a patron.

They let her do the work to keep her at arms length.

Ok Camilla lover. Diana was more powerful than they were while she was alive. There was a serious risk that Charles would have had to abdicate if Diana hadn’t passed. The public hated him and what he had done and didn’t want him as King.

They could have never successfully marginalized her. Look at what happened when she died. They tried to power through and not recognize her death in the way the public wanted. The Queen initially refused to lower the Royal Standard. There was HUGE public backlash against the BRF, and they quickly caved to public demand and agreed to the elaborate public funeral.

The Queen was wrong for how she responded to Diana’s death. So disrespectful.

Didn’t leave her summer vacation home to mourn with the public for four days! Initially refused to let Charles bring her back by royal charter. No flags at half-mass.

A one sentence note saying she was ‘shocked and distressed’ - nothing more.

Eventually it was sorted but that was a clear incidence of the Queen’s pettiness.

I don’t think it was petty so much as she was following protocol that adhered to Diana’s official post-divorce status. She was shocked at the enormity of the public’s grief, and it took her a while to recognize it and adapt accordingly. If you watched The Crown, this was kind of foreshadowed in the scenes where she’s called out by that columnist for being aloof and out of touch. She grudgingly takes his advice to make some changes, like meeting with the public, delivering a personal Christmas radio address, etc.

You’re mixing up The Crown and The Queen. And Diana died in August, the address given wasn’t at Christmas, it was the day before the funeral.

Sorry, I wasn’t clear. The thing with the columnist was decades ago, around the time Margaret was single. I was trying to show how tradition and protocol govern the Queen’s actions, but periodically, something happens that forces her to update the way things are done. The columnist thing was during the second season of The Crown. She invites him to the palace for advice, he gives her a long list of suggestions, she’s offended but ends up adopting a few of them, including the Christmas address.

Diana’s death, many years later, was another episode that forced the royal family to change protocol. The Royal Standard always flew to indicate that the Queen was in residence, and that was all it it ever meant. In context, the public interpreted the refusal to lower it as disrespectful to Diana. This flummoxed the Queen, but she ultimately relented.

Excellent point. Tradition and protocol do govern her actions, but she also sets them. All the pomp and circumstance is part tradition, part how she wants things done and since she has been the ruler for so long, all they know is her way of doing things so they assume protocol is ironclad. It isn't. It is more like what she says goes. Charles can change quite a few things if he wants too. So can William. Elizabeth was crowned so young that she took a lot of advice from staff and courtiers who advised on her on how they thought things should be done. At the end of the day the queen is the boss so when people toss around rule breaking and protocol violation they are really speculating on what Elizabeth would or would not do or guessing what she thinks of it.