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Anonymous
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The Bush administration has so horribly demonized Islam that I think it's become a knee-jerk reaction for some to blame Islam for everything.
Are you for real? The same Bush who said "Islam means peace"????? The Bush administrations NEVER demonized Islam. To say that Hasan was a Muslim who shouted Alahu Akbar as he opened fire on over 50 representatives of the American military is not bigotry, it is simple observation. To inquire into all of those facts is not demonization of Muslims; it is just normal, full investigation. This PC'ness has gone to the point of utter, full blown ridiculousness. I said the Bush ADMINISTRATION (i.e. Cheney), not Bush himself. Absolutely Islam was demonized by his administration. It put the fear of God in every Muslim for years. How do you know he shouted "allahu akbar" as he opened fire? Where are you getting this information from? Yes, by all means, inquire further into what makes for a fanatical Muslim who has violent inclinations. It's going to keep all of us safer. Do your research. Establish panels to research this. Form coalitions with other governments. Improve your intelligence. Get those spies in the mosques and in the Muslim communities, especially among the men. But you better find a way to not make the rest of the peace loving Muslims feel victimized in the process because that violates our civil rights. That's where the PC'ness DOES come in. |
Anonymous
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Investigating radicalized fundamentalist Muslims doesn't violate the civil rights of peace loving law abiding Muslims any more than investigating the Mafia violates the rights of Italian Americans.
We can do both you know - protect ourselves from Islamic terrorism while we respect the rights of the uninvolved majority of Muslims. |
Anonymous
Given that the government has been involved in prosecuting a number of clearly innocent people, it's hard to know when to trust that they've actually found a guilty party. I'm being serious here. I'd like the government to keep tabs on dangerous people but unfortunately I've seen too many cases where a misguided (and that's being charitable) government plant used entrapment to convince some morons to go play paintball in preparation for "jihad." And that doesn't just happen to Muslims. The WaPo quite a few years ago published a compelling story about how a government plant talked some right-wing white unemployed guys in rural Virginia into forming a "militia" group and holding target practice and of course they all went off to jail. Even though it never would have occurred to them to do it if the government plant hadn't talked them into it. I just don't trust the government to get it right. |
Anonymous
And quite effective at accomplishing the poster's goal of continuing to get negative attention from other posters. |
Anonymous
It's not the radicalized fundamentalist Muslims we are concerned about. It's all the other innocent, just happen to speak Arabic and pray once in a while Muslims who get investigated. Those are the ones we worry about. There have been plenty of innocent muslims already railroaded in the military because of the suspicion of muslims. The inference here is clear: if they were investigating you, you must have done something wrong. That belief has not served us well in our nation's history. |
Anonymous
that is truly unfortunate. seriously. but a price to pay when you have extremists murdering solders in large quantities. just like after 9/11 we have all gotten used to heavier security at airports. |
Anonymous
| I don't know about all these innocent Muslim US soldiers who are or have been railroaded. Can anyone show me a source? Truly, I read two papers a day and this is news to me. |
Anonymous
Other pp here. The problem is that the "price to pay" is very high for some people -- like the Canadian citizen who was changing planes in NYC on his way home and then was scooped up by the US Feds and sent off to Syria to be tortured. He was innocent and his life was destroyed and he didn't even get due process! That's why I would rather err on the side of caution when it comes to investigating people. And please let's not get into some kind of pissing match (as been happening on other threads today) about what is worse -- an innocent Arab Canadian being tortured or US soldiers being shot down in cold blood. They're both awful. If I could be convinced that the US has stopped sending people off to other countries to be tortured, I'd be more comfortable with the notion that there is a "price to pay" for increased security. That guy didn't just have to go through a long security line or lose the right to bring on a bottle of water. It was much more drastic. |
Anonymous
Ditto. I want to see a reference for that, or I'm calling b.s. |
Anonymous
if any Muslim soldier would have been railroaded it would have been Hasan, but officials were too scared to do anything. this guy gave a presentation to his commanding officers full of mistakes and typos about the Army's war on Islam! How did he even keep his job? so I too call BS. |
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I'm not the poster who made the statement about Muslim US soldiers and I honestly don't know how widespread the "railroading" is in the military. However, the most famous case is Captain James Yee who was a US Army Chaplain serving at Guantanamo Bay. He was charged with conspiring with the detainees and jailed for 76 days. Then, charges were dropped and he was given an honorable discharge and a commendation medal. Here is a very interesting interviewing with him conducted by DCUM participant Michelle Martin: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120238956 In the interview, Yee says: "And actually from serving in the military, as particularly a Muslim chaplain, I never met a Muslim service member who didn't at some time or other face some sort of harassment or being made fun of for being a Muslim American." Also in this interview, I read for the first time that Major Hasan was harassed by his neighbors. Someone tore up his "I Love Allah" bumper sticker and vandalized his car. They teased and ridiculed him when he dressed in traditional attire. These sorts of things might have contributed to his actions. |
Anonymous
Are you kidding me? Do you not remember the Guantanamo stories from a few short years ago? http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A04EEDC1230F93AA25751C1A9629C8B63 James Yee Ahmad al Halabi Pretty much all the chaplains at Guantanamo Jack Farr |
Anonymous
Are you for real? The same Bush who said "Islam means peace"????? The Bush administrations NEVER demonized Islam. To say that Hasan was a Muslim who shouted Alahu Akbar as he opened fire on over 50 representatives of the American military is not bigotry, it is simple observation. To inquire into all of those facts is not demonization of Muslims; it is just normal, full investigation. This PC'ness has gone to the point of utter, full blown ridiculousness. I said the Bush ADMINISTRATION (i.e. Cheney), not Bush himself. Absolutely Islam was demonized by his administration. It put the fear of God in every Muslim for years. How do you know he shouted "allahu akbar" as he opened fire? Where are you getting this information from? Yes, by all means, inquire further into what makes for a fanatical Muslim who has violent inclinations. It's going to keep all of us safer. Do your research. Establish panels to research this. Form coalitions with other governments. Improve your intelligence. Get those spies in the mosques and in the Muslim communities, especially among the men. But you better find a way to not make the rest of the peace loving Muslims feel victimized in the process because that violates our civil rights. That's where the PC'ness DOES come in. Maybe every February 14th peace-lovers of all religions can march to recall the fatwa on the head of Salman Rushdie. (That's when he gets his yearly Valentine from Iran). |
Anonymous
Are you for real? The same Bush who said "Islam means peace"????? The Bush administrations NEVER demonized Islam. To say that Hasan was a Muslim who shouted Alahu Akbar as he opened fire on over 50 representatives of the American military is not bigotry, it is simple observation. To inquire into all of those facts is not demonization of Muslims; it is just normal, full investigation. This PC'ness has gone to the point of utter, full blown ridiculousness. I said the Bush ADMINISTRATION (i.e. Cheney), not Bush himself. Absolutely Islam was demonized by his administration. It put the fear of God in every Muslim for years. How do you know he shouted "allahu akbar" as he opened fire? Where are you getting this information from? Yes, by all means, inquire further into what makes for a fanatical Muslim who has violent inclinations. It's going to keep all of us safer. Do your research. Establish panels to research this. Form coalitions with other governments. Improve your intelligence. Get those spies in the mosques and in the Muslim communities, especially among the men. But you better find a way to not make the rest of the peace loving Muslims feel victimized in the process because that violates our civil rights. That's where the PC'ness DOES come in. Information from Voice of America. Too right-wing for you? http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-11-11-voa47.cfm |
Anonymous
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Just heard a piece on All Things Considered reporting that people in the military had been quite concerned about Hasan's mental health and performance all along but that it was decided it would be too difficult to get rid of a doctor. So he was transferred to Fort Hood because there were so many psychiatrists there they thought he would do the least damage there.
This really shifts my perspective now. This is much more like a pedophile priest case, except that Hasan hadn't done anything illegal prior to the shooting. His colleagues were concerned about his mental health and his performance to the extent that they discussed what to do about him. Instead of taking action, they just moved him to a place where they thought he wouldn't do much damage. This seems much more about the privilege of professionals now. But I imagine there will be more information to come so my perspective may shift again! |