Ft. Hood

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:and please, 99% of the thousands of suicide bombings have been committed by muslims.

This just shows how misinformed you are, despite my best efforts to educate you. Go to this page:

http://www.spur.asn.au/chronology_of_suicide_bomb_attacks_by_Tamil_Tigers_in_sri_Lanka.htm

Or, just Google "Tamil Suicide Bombings". The Tamils were doing suicide bombings long before Muslims started.

Here, Muslims are the victims of a Hindu bomber:

[Anonymous]

New Poster. Didn't suicide bombings start in Vietnam during the Vietnam War? Weren't they mostly Buddhists?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New Poster. Didn't suicide bombings start in Vietnam during the Vietnam War? Weren't they mostly Buddhists?

I thought they started with Kamikaze pilots.

[Anonymous]

http://www.sitemaker.umich.edu/satran/files/twq06spring_atran.pdf

you are such a caricature that I used to assume you were a parody poster, but alas you are not. OF COURSE not all suicide bombers are muslim. I'm sure with so many thousands of muslim suicide bombers getting so much attention that other brainwashed idealogues are following suit. Thank you for educating me. And of course suicide bombing wasn't invented by Muslims. Kamikaze attacks in WWII ring a bell?

But right now, on this planet, despite you mentioning the few outliers that make the rule, the overwhelming majority of suicide bombing is carried out by fanatical muslims. Killing yourself is very much against basic human instinct, so to think that 70% of Palestinians support and approve of suicide bombers gives an indication of the despair of that culture and how far we have to go to fix the Israel/Palestinian problem.

And of course almost all of mainstream Islam rightly condemns these murderers. Unfortunately a few influential clerics with hundreds of thousands of followers supports these murders. You can google as well as I, so I will spare you the links. And imagine this! Turns Hasan studied under such a cleric:

Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11 terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. His mother’s funeral was held there in May that year.

The preacher at the time was Anwar al-Awlaki, an American-born Yemeni scholar who was banned from addressing a meeting in London by video link in August because he is accused of supporting attacks on British troops and backing terrorist organisations.

Hasan’s eyes “lit up” when he mentioned his deep respect for al-Awlaki’s teachings, according to a fellow Muslim officer at the Fort Hood base in Texas, the scene of Thursday’s horrific shooting spree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cho and the Columbine folks knew some of their victims. They were bullied. Similar to the shooter in Orlando this weekend (ex-employee). This is much more similar to a suicide bombing. Now I admit Hasan was not a technical "suicide bomber", but all indications were he thought he was going out that day. i.e., he was not planning an escape or get-a-way.

and please, 99% of the thousands of suicide bombings have been committed by muslims.

Wow -- you look at the contextual factors that affected Cho and the kids at Columbine. But while we still know little about Hasan and what drove him to do what he did, you've pinned it on the Muslim religion. You indeed are a bigot.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:http://www.sitemaker.umich.edu/satran/files/twq06spring_atran.pdf

This report says the Tamil Tigers "remain the leading single organizer of suicide attacks". So much for these Hindu-led attacks being "a few outliers" as you would have it.

Anonymous wrote:
But right now, on this planet, despite you mentioning the few outliers that make the rule, the overwhelming majority of suicide bombing is carried out by fanatical muslims. Killing yourself is very much against basic human instinct, so to think that 70% of Palestinians support and approve of suicide bombers gives an indication of the despair of that culture and how far we have to go to fix the Israel/Palestinian problem.

The suicide bombings have basically stopped in Israel. I think there has only been one in the past two years.

Anonymous wrote:
Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11 terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. His mother’s funeral was held there in May that year.

Dar al-Hijrah is a popular mosque. A lot of people pray there. But, as has been said repeatedly by any number of posters in this thread, Hasan's devotion to Islam is more likely a symptom of his underlying problems rather than the cause. Again, the guy was a misfit even among Muslims. Why are you so eager to make this about Islam when there is ample evidence that he was psychologically imbalanced? Do you enjoy stirring up religious hatred?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cho and the Columbine folks knew some of their victims. They were bullied. Similar to the shooter in Orlando this weekend (ex-employee). This is much more similar to a suicide bombing. Now I admit Hasan was not a technical "suicide bomber", but all indications were he thought he was going out that day. i.e., he was not planning an escape or get-a-way.

and please, 99% of the thousands of suicide bombings have been committed by muslims.

Wow -- you look at the contextual factors that affected Cho and the kids at Columbine. But while we still know little about Hasan and what drove him to do what he did, you've pinned it on the Muslim religion. You indeed are a bigot.

amazing. If Hasan is the author of the internet posts that were supportive of suicide bombers will that change your mind? What is your theory - that he was mad over the Redskins record?

[Anonymous]

I'd like to offer my two cents as a Muslim. I've lived here most of my life and I consider myself an American Muslim. Islam is not a religion that preaches violence. It does give Muslims the liberty to engage in self defense though. The Quran must always be read in context of history. It was never meant to literally interpreted in the absence of an understanding of Islamic history. Unfortunately uneducated illiterate and ignorant folk do exactly that and then misinterpret this religion. In the time of Prophet Muhammad (Islam's last prophet), there was much fighting between certain groups of people - disbelievers against Muslims, Jews against Muslims, etc.... God (arabic word for God is Allah)said it was permissible to retaliate if necessary those who threaten or have harmed you in self defense only. However, if they let you practice your faith in peace and let you live in peace, you have no right to harm them. If you still do, God promises you will be put in Hell-fire. Killing an innocent person is akin to killing a thousand people - according to Islam. No Muslim can ever force another person to convert because it says in the Quran, "There is no compulsion in Islam." It also says in the Quran that God created different nations "so that you may know one another." This implies He wanted people of different nations, different backgrounds, to live peacefully with one another, not to kill each other.

I've read the Quran at least four different times. I studied the transliteration and simultaneously started learning it's contextual history. I promise you if Islam was a religion that preached violence, I would not be a Muslim. If Islam were a religion that preached violence, I'd probably convert to Judaism. Judaism is the most similar religion to Islam. They have similar dietary restrictions as Muslims do. They believe that Moses was a prophet as do Muslims.

Muslims do not really consider themselves as a separate religion from Christianity or Judaism. They believe that God sent only ONE religion to mankind. It came through different Prophets though. Jesus was one. Moses was another. Muhammad was another. So we believe there is just one God, one religion, but different people delivered the message at different times. We believe people changed parts of the religion as time went by. We do not believe Jesus declared himself to be God, for example.

Islam also believes that the gates of heaven are open to all Jews, all Christians, and all Muslims SO LONG AS THEY DO GOOD IN LIFE. It is even open to those who say they don't belong to a particular religion so long as they believe in God and do good in life. All misinterpretations about God and religion will be clarified to us on the day of judgment.

NOW - there is definitely a subgroup of Muslims in this world that are violent. Those are Muslims who have misinterpreted the Quran completely. Like I said, it is impossible to interpret the Quran properly without an understanding and education of history. Most people who have violent tendencies and are Muslim are relatively uneducated or ignorant of how to interpret Islam in it's historical context. But blaming all Muslims or saying our religion is to blame is like saying all Germans are bigots because Hitler was. It's a sweeping generalization and demonizes our entire faith and people, the vast majority of whom are peace loving.

The violent Muslims are those whose hatred, I think, is fueled by the U.S.'s international policies, particularly their alliance with Israel, because they feel Palestinians are displaced and oppressed and the U.S. supports Israel. Why is this significant to Muslims all around the world? Because Jerusalem is a holy place for Muslims (just as it is for Jews and Chrisitans too) and an important mosque (a Muslim church) is there.

I do think that there will eventually be peace in that area and the climate of mistrust and hate will cease eventually. I do think Jerusalem will become an international city.

So please do not say that Islam is a violent religion or preaches violence. You really have to take a few courses in history before you can even open the Quran to interpret it correctly.

[Anonymous]

PP again. Would like to clarify something else. Dar al-Hijrah is a popular mosque in Virginia. But it has a lot of ethnic immigrants. So many people there may be bringing with them their old country's way of thinking, their old country's interpretation of Islam...some of which may be wrong. But make no mistake about it. These people are grateful to be in this country. And as time goes by they adopt a more liberal interpretation of their own faith. Hard not to do so living here in the U.S.

There are other mosques, many of whose members are born in this country. Their members are very open minded and, in fact, quite liberal or progressive in their thinking. This doesn't mean they think homosexuality is okay or having premarital sex is fine necessarily. But they think it's okay to adopt much of the American culture while still keeping to our faith.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I'd like to offer my two cents as a Muslim. I've lived here most of my life and I consider myself an American Muslim. Islam is not a religion that preaches violence. It does give Muslims the liberty to engage in self defense though. The Quran must always be read in context of history. It was never meant to literally interpreted in the absence of an understanding of Islamic history. Unfortunately uneducated illiterate and ignorant folk do exactly that and then misinterpret this religion. In the time of Prophet Muhammad (Islam's last prophet), there was much fighting between certain groups of people - disbelievers against Muslims, Jews against Muslims, etc.... God (arabic word for God is Allah)said it was permissible to retaliate if necessary those who threaten or have harmed you in self defense only. However, if they let you practice your faith in peace and let you live in peace, you have no right to harm them. If you still do, God promises you will be put in Hell-fire. Killing an innocent person is akin to killing a thousand people - according to Islam. No Muslim can ever force another person to convert because it says in the Quran, "There is no compulsion in Islam." It also says in the Quran that God created different nations "so that you may know one another." This implies He wanted people of different nations, different backgrounds, to live peacefully with one another, not to kill each other.

I've read the Quran at least four different times. I studied the transliteration and simultaneously started learning it's contextual history. I promise you if Islam was a religion that preached violence, I would not be a Muslim. If Islam were a religion that preached violence, I'd probably convert to Judaism. Judaism is the most similar religion to Islam. They have similar dietary restrictions as Muslims do. They believe that Moses was a prophet as do Muslims.

Muslims do not really consider themselves as a separate religion from Christianity or Judaism. They believe that God sent only ONE religion to mankind. It came through different Prophets though. Jesus was one. Moses was another. Muhammad was another. So we believe there is just one God, one religion, but different people delivered the message at different times. We believe people changed parts of the religion as time went by. We do not believe Jesus declared himself to be God, for example.

Islam also believes that the gates of heaven are open to all Jews, all Christians, and all Muslims SO LONG AS THEY DO GOOD IN LIFE. It is even open to those who say they don't belong to a particular religion so long as they believe in God and do good in life. All misinterpretations about God and religion will be clarified to us on the day of judgment.

NOW - there is definitely a subgroup of Muslims in this world that are violent. Those are Muslims who have misinterpreted the Quran completely. Like I said, it is impossible to interpret the Quran properly without an understanding and education of history. Most people who have violent tendencies and are Muslim are relatively uneducated or ignorant of how to interpret Islam in it's historical context. But blaming all Muslims or saying our religion is to blame is like saying all Germans are bigots because Hitler was. It's a sweeping generalization and demonizes our entire faith and people, the vast majority of whom are peace loving.

The violent Muslims are those whose hatred, I think, is fueled by the U.S.'s international policies, particularly their alliance with Israel, because they feel Palestinians are displaced and oppressed and the U.S. supports Israel. Why is this significant to Muslims all around the world? Because Jerusalem is a holy place for Muslims (just as it is for Jews and Chrisitans too) and an important mosque (a Muslim church) is there.

I do think that there will eventually be peace in that area and the climate of mistrust and hate will cease eventually. I do think Jerusalem will become an international city.

So please do not say that Islam is a violent religion or preaches violence. You really have to take a few courses in history before you can even open the Quran to interpret it correctly.

this is 0:27. I agree and respect everything you wrote, especially the bolded part. It is obvious that Hasan was motivated by his political and religious views, but that does not mean Islam as a whole, or all Muslims, share those twisted beliefs. My question to you is how do leaders of Islam root out this violent subgroup? Who has the moral authority to do this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:...
and please, 99% of the thousands of suicide bombings have been committed by muslims.

A little mathematical analysis:

There is a political movement that uses suicide as a weapon. This movement consists mostly of Muslims, so there is a fairly high probability that someone who blows him/herself up in a crowd is Muslim.

However, assuming there are, say, a couple of thousand people in this movement, out of a billion and a half Muslims, that means that even if the probability of a suicide bomber being Muslim is 99%, the probability of a Muslim being a suicide bomber is about one in 750,000.

Bottom line: Although it is a normal gut reaction to assume that a high probability in one direction implies a high probability in the other, there is no mathematical justification.

[Anonymous]

Thank you to 01:00 for such a well informed post. People too often go off knee jerk reactions and misinformation. I happen to work with a lot of Muslims currently. And one thing I've learned over the years is that there is a lot more flexibility in Islam than non-Muslims think. Different people in different countries don't all observe the same. Observed the way it's meant to, Islam isn't the big, bad religion a lot in the US think it is.

[Anonymous]

Completely out there, I know. But why wasn't he married? A doctor, Arab, and (devout) Muslim. 39 and not married? Do you know how unusual that is? It makes me think of all sorts of issues he may have had that could have led to his breakdown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New Poster. Didn't suicide bombings start in Vietnam during the Vietnam War? Weren't they mostly Buddhists?

I thought they started with Kamikaze pilots.

Good point, I hadn't thought of them because it was organized by the military. I suppose they were all Shinto.

I guess if we want to look at suicide attacks that predate that, I think Czar Alexander II was assassinated in a suicide bombing. It's a fair bet that his attacker (I think actually a bunch failed before the one who succeeded) was ... gasp... Christian.

Darn, I was hoping to pin suicide bombings on the Buddhists because of the irony.


OK, so far we have in the list of suicide bombings:
Islam
Christianity
Buddhism
Shinto
Hindu

Anyone want to throw out a religion and we can do some research. Maybe there is a religion that doesn't participate.

[Anonymous]

So if Cho and Columbine killers were reacting to being bullied.How did the 'suicide bombers'originate?From "Opression"my friends.The Palestinians are bullied by Jews day and night.Go visit Israel and live the life of a muslim just one day!It will boil your blood.Am not condoning Hassan or suicide bombing but we have to reach the grass roots for cure.We should not forget the fact that Muslims are also dying for this country in Iraq and Afghanistan as U.S.soldiers.